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Did Christ Crush Christchurch In New Zealand? Did God Jump On Japan?
JoeClarke.Net ^ | 03/24/2011 | JoeClarke.Net

Posted on 03/24/2011 4:35:38 PM PDT by joeclarke

I've heard so much from radio and television prophets as of late that, "The God of love certainly does not direct nature to perform catastrophic calamities such as floods, earthquakes, famines, etc."

We are so ready to recognize Christ as the ultimate benevolent God, Who does nothing but direct His flock in only a Good Shepherdly way, and would never chasten, or worse, His people, or those who want nothing to do with Him, ie., unbelievers.

Not knowing always when and where God meets out calamity, or exactly for what reasons, it is not hard to see through the Bible, and through history, that the Almighty does, I think reluctantly, because He is a God of love, dole out severe judgment to people and nations.

The Old Testament is full of examples where the Lord would ask the Israelites to wipe out entire nations because of immense wickedness. Mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, and even their animals were sentenced to death for gross sinfulness. It is hard for us to admit, personally, or as a nation, to our own gross sinfulness in the eyes of God. I am sure that those homosexual men who were knocking down Lot's door in Sodom and Gomorrah, did not consider that they had embarked into abominable (as God calls it) sin. At other times, an extremely disobedient Israel would be judged, but then blessed by God, but then judged. . . . . By the time the Romans dealt the death blow to Israel as a nation for hundreds of years, Israel had gone way over the line . . . See The Life Of Christ at LifeofChrist.Com. Where else?

Why, President Obama, the Pentagon, and most Seinfeld fans readily agree that "there's nothing wrong with it." So, in twenty years, more or less, sodomy has matured from something wrong to something honorable in Hollywood, Academia, and even many lib churches. If you google the Oscar winning Black Swan movie, "hot lesbian scenes" will accompany the search results. This is exactly how the warmed-up frog in the pot soon dies from boiling due to the increasing hellish fire which has been slowly bringing the water to boil. Yet, go figure, True Grit went 0-10 at the Oscars, getting snubbed by the Academy for being too wholesome.

Its not that we haven't been warned of God's disdain for, not only sodomy, but adultery, theft, lying, fornication, divorce, murder, and so on, which are more prevalent in 2010 than it they were in 1910 - by far. Historical statistics testify to this.

Haiti suffered a horrific 7.0 earthquake in 2010. I have known plenty of missionaries who worked Haiti, but Santeria (a combination of Catholic and pagan beliefs) and Voodoo had proven too popular among the Haitians. At the time of the earthquake, one Voodoo priest claimed that "there was too much Voodoo on the island," and even today with Christians sending millions of dollars to Haiti, most Voodoo adherents are actually warring against Christianity - one reason why Haiti is having trouble getting rehabilitated. See Voodoo Priestess Complaining That Hatians Are "Turning To God."

Could it just be coincidental that New Orleans was wiped out by an accidental hurricane [not produced by George Bush]? Why New Orleans and not San Francisco? How can you measure the evil of New Orleans Castro District versus the infamous bathhouses and other dens of iniquities of San Francisco? I don't know God's priorities as far as these massive judgements are concerned, and I am thankful for that. When a prophet such as Jonah told Nineveh to repent - they did, and he was angry in thinking his evangelism was for nought. Other areas - such as San Francisco in the early 1900's was reprobate, and no amount of warning was sufficient to deter it from a damnable lifestyle. It was, as they say, "reprobate" or, beyond self-judgment. Interesting, that we have taught our public school children not to judge - themselves or anything they do.

Jesus spoke to the storm and pronounced, "Peace, be still," which immediately silenced the threatening climate. The Old Testament and the New speak of "earth shakings" and "tumultuous seas" prior to judgments. In the book of Joel, the locust is included as part of God's army. Nevertheless, the overriding theme of the Old and especially the New Testaments is that God is a God who wants to save people - from their sins. Now, if folks reject this salvation, there is a price to pay, sometimes in this life, and much worse - in the life to come. Jesus warned his Jewish peers that even Sodom and Gomorrah would receive preferential treatment over those who saw His ministry, yet would still reject Him. This offer of salvation, or receiving Jesus, is still available today.

Glenn Beck, although on a spiritual journey pointed in the right direction, has discounted that God might have something to do with the earthquake and tsunami which has devastated Japan. Although, a very homogeneous, caring people - in a secular humanitarian way - they admittedly have been too secular, having rejected any sense of spirituality which had been traditionally reached through Buddhism (Buddha was not a god, and did not want to be worshiped as a God) and Shinto, both of which gave them at least some inkling of spiritual understanding, however, far and away from the Way, the Truth, and the Life. IOW, they have become as materialistic as communists, thus, incapacitating their appreciation for things eternal. Even the Mayor of Tokyo recently pronounced that the earthquake/tsunami was a form of divine punishment because of Japan's "greed and self interest."

From Isaiah 26, "When thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." Also, from Isaiah 13, "Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger." If God can command the sea to be still, He must also have power over events which cause the sea and earth to move.

Japan has also legalized prostitution in a form that could only be described as very bizarre. I'll just refrain from describing the indelicate details in this post. Japan so much enjoys its sex industry that many have described that this is the reason for its plummeting birth rate. Japan has one of the longest records for legitimizing abortion - since 1949.

New Zealand, like its British-derived, uber liberal neighbor Australia, has become prosperous, thus producing a materialism, accompanied by the usual trappings such liberalism brings, including feminism and Political Correctness, and, of course, the excesses of the radical Green enviromental movement - worshipping Mother Nature over Father God. One only has to look at the anti-Christ denominational churches which have led the way for the blind to lead the blind into the proverbial ditch. New Zealand had become so advanced, or Progressive, that it legalize prostitution in 2004 without a whimper of objection from the churches, thus turning an affluent country into a neo Bangkok, Thailand. No offense against Thailand in that they are less responsible for not having the Truth in the measure that the Brit empire was bestowed. Watch out, UK!

At least, in the United States we do see stirrings of revival as requested by the salt of the earth. Will God repent of certain judgments of the sword, famine, disease, pestilence, and natural disasters as He has always performed on wicked generations throughout history? He even asks through the prophet Jeremiah, "If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the evil, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.?"

There is a common mistake in thinking that the New and especially Old Testament God has been a cruel taskmaster because of His chastening and judgements. The fact is that mankind has ALWAYS underestimated mankind's personal sinfulness, thinking that "We (or they) cannot really be that bad and deserve such harsh treatment from a loving God. Seinfeld said, "Not that there's anything wrong with that," but God says, "There's plenty wrong with that."

We all deserve some sort of judgment, but God has provided Someone to become our Scapegoat, if only we will believe in Him. Most people in the U.S. have heard in some way about the life changing power of Jesus Christ. Some mock, some believe, and some just don't care. They will care.

Lawrence O’Donnell, MSNBC: “No half-smart religious person actually believes the book of Revelation.”

Bill Maher: "Let's face it, God has a huge ego problem."

God: "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." 2 Chronicles 7:14


TOPICS: History; Politics; Reference; Society
KEYWORDS: earthquakes; god; japan; judgment

1 posted on 03/24/2011 4:35:42 PM PDT by joeclarke
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To: joeclarke

You can find sin anywhere and tragedy, death, destruction anywhere. Drawing a connection as if you knew God’s mind is for total loons like Fred Phelps.


2 posted on 03/24/2011 4:44:54 PM PDT by RedRover
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To: joeclarke

What about murdering Missouri in the early 1800’s or nuking Northridge in ‘94?


3 posted on 03/24/2011 4:45:53 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: joeclarke
“Did Christ Crush Christchurch In New Zealand? Did God Jump On Japan?”

No, but if Yellowstone goes off I might change my answer, and that would explain the apparent lack of the USA being mentioned in the Bible.

4 posted on 03/24/2011 4:52:51 PM PDT by east1234 (Cut, Kill, Dig and Drill!)
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To: joeclarke

If Pat Robertson can be believed, God was on the terrorists side and made 9/11 happen to punish America.

Of course, I don’t believe Pat Robertson, or anyone else who thinks blaming God for acts of man or nature is sensible.


5 posted on 03/24/2011 4:54:02 PM PDT by COgamer
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To: joeclarke

I don’t think anyone knows for sure. I think it is possible that God still punishes nations and Haiti would seem to be a good example.

On the other hand, Christ made it clear that those who died when the “Tower of Siloam” collapsed were not killed because of sin but simply because an accident happened.


6 posted on 03/24/2011 4:59:12 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: joeclarke

Yes to both questions...there are no accidents


7 posted on 03/24/2011 5:03:09 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: yarddog

“1There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? 3I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. 4Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? 5I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”

Jesus is not saying they were more sinful, but they could have been just as sinful to the ones He was speaking to, but
He seems to offer a way out ....”repent.”


8 posted on 03/24/2011 5:07:58 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: COgamer

“If Pat Robertson can be believed, God was on the terrorists side and made 9/11 happen to punish America.

Of course, I don’t believe Pat Robertson, or anyone else who thinks blaming God for acts of man or nature is sensible”

Its not a matter of “blaming” God. He does do it, and He is not to be blamed for doing something wrong, even though it may be harsh.


9 posted on 03/24/2011 5:10:06 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: joeclarke

New Zealand, like its British-derived, uber liberal neighbor Australia, has become prosperous, thus producing a materialism, accompanied by the usual trappings such liberalism brings, including feminism and Political Correctness, and, of course, the excesses of the radical Green enviromental movement - worshipping Mother Nature over Father God. One only has to look at the anti-Christ denominational churches which have led the way for the blind to lead the blind into the proverbial ditch. New Zealand had become so advanced, or Progressive, that it legalize prostitution in 2004 without a whimper of objection from the churches, thus turning an affluent country into a neo Bangkok, Thailand.
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Spent much time in New Zealand ???


10 posted on 03/24/2011 5:10:40 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tribemike1
Yes to both questions...there are no accidents

But there's plate tectonics and physics, and human beings living above it are utterly irrelevant to either.

11 posted on 03/24/2011 5:13:34 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: east1234
No, but if Yellowstone goes off I might change my answer, and that would explain the apparent lack of the USA being mentioned in the Bible.

Why would 200,000,000 soldiers attack in the battles of Hamongog and Armageddon for the cattle and other loot of a nation of 4 million people? Armageddon and Hamongog is about more than the recognized state of Israel obviously. In my opinion we default on our treasuries, the rest of the world sees this as grounds for invasion. Armageddon is the recognized state of Israel. Hamongog is us.

12 posted on 03/24/2011 5:13:58 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: joeclarke

Glenn Beck is a mormon...

Joey Smith , the guy who invented the religion of mormonism, said that the mormon god punished the mormons for sin when they were driven out of areas for murder, stealing etc..

Smith said it was the mormon god doing the driving...


13 posted on 03/24/2011 5:13:59 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: joeclarke

It’s a judgment against sin, period.


14 posted on 03/24/2011 5:14:40 PM PDT by vpintheak (Democrats: Robbing humans of their dignity 1 law at a time)
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To: RedRover

“You can find sin anywhere and tragedy, death, destruction anywhere. Drawing a connection as if you knew God’s mind is for total loons like Fred Phelps.”

God wants you to know His will. Maybe not everything, of course, but He has laid out some things that is His will -
“But we have the mind of Christ” and “This is the Will of God for You: That You Abstain from Sexual Immorality”
And many other . .


15 posted on 03/24/2011 5:15:50 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: joeclarke
God wants you to know His will

And you presume to know His will?

16 posted on 03/24/2011 5:20:02 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: Rebelbase

“What about murdering Missouri in the early 1800’s or nuking Northridge in ‘94?”
No, God did not ordain this. He does not do evil. When He judges, it is not evil.


17 posted on 03/24/2011 5:20:15 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: joeclarke

Nothing happens without God’s permissive will. I recently read that scientists believe that coal mining in Australia and the depletion of water in the coal mines caused the Christchurch earthquake.


18 posted on 03/24/2011 5:21:21 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: joeclarke

no ... just no


19 posted on 03/24/2011 5:22:14 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (If your PC is running slowly then it will be easy to catch.)
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To: Strategerist

“God wants you to know His will

And you presume to know His will?”

Knowing the entirety of God’s will is impossible, needless to day, but He has given His Word to us, and then asks us to do it. Why would a God want us to go around in darkness as to what He wants when He has paid a heavy price to give us the Light?


20 posted on 03/24/2011 5:23:43 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: InvisibleChurch

“no ... just no”

“No” to being specific?


21 posted on 03/24/2011 5:26:04 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: DallasDeb

“I recently read that scientists believe that coal mining in Australia and the depletion of water in the coal mines caused the Christchurch earthquake.”

No, according to some on the interwebs, it was the usual suspect, Global Warming, that caused the earthquakes in Japan and New Zealand. Its all here
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.global-warming/browse_thread/thread/f6d8029723b3bb9a?pli=1


22 posted on 03/24/2011 5:31:29 PM PDT by joeclarke (ue)
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To: Strategerist

what is the cause of “plate tectonics” and “physics” as you term them? Again, of course God did it....we can’t judge why....we see this in the Gospel of John when Christ encountered the man born blind...”Lord, who sinned, this man or his parents” ...answer...neither...but that the power of God may be shown to you....


23 posted on 03/24/2011 5:32:58 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: DallasDeb

The Christchurch quake happened because New Zealand is on a plate boundary, which has been there for tens of millions of years, undoubtedly causing thousands of strong earthquakes, most of which happened before there were even humans at all, much less humans in New Zealand.

I mean, we understand this pretty well. It’s unfortunate that the exact times the earthquakes happen cannot be predicted (as there is a degree of randomness to the process) but it’s curious and a bit disturbing that in the 21st century, people can’t handle or process the thought of disasters just...happening, and having nothing to do with what people, or some deity, do or do not do.


24 posted on 03/24/2011 5:32:58 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: joeclarke

Christ didn’t crush Christchurch. God didn’t jump on Japan. He didn’t give me power steering problems and make my hair fall out. I wasn’t unrighteous when the neighbors cows got into my sweet corn, and it wasn’t sin that caused the hailstorm that broke out the van window.

Otherwise that whole free will/faith/redemption by Christ thing is moot.

I suggest you access the Catholic Catechism and a Bible with all the books. Then talk to a Catholic priest or read some more about theology.
I mean that in a good way. Good luck.


25 posted on 03/24/2011 5:35:33 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: joeclarke

The Christchurch Cathedral has been damaged by earthquakes 5 times since 1881, losing it’s spire 3 times.

I’ll take “earthquake prone area” over “New Zealanders are exceptionally sinful.” But I’m crazy that way.


26 posted on 03/24/2011 5:40:16 PM PDT by Strategerist (There is only so much stupidity one man can prevent - Andrew Marshall)
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To: joeclarke
"The wages of sin is death." Sometimes there is a direct correlation between a sin and a death, and sometimes there is not.

A worldview of a capricious Father that sends natural disasters to mankind makes for good reading. A better worldview is one of man having difficulty with sin, with a devil constantly tempting him, with God sending his son to the Earth for redemption. This worldview makes for a more accurate teaching of the Gospel.

27 posted on 03/24/2011 5:48:28 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: joeclarke

“He is not to be blamed for doing something wrong, even though it may be harsh.”

Fair enough. But that’s not the same as some mere mortal saying he knows that G_d did it for a purpose, and he knows what that purpose was, and he knows the purpose was punishment.

To be able to “know” all that stuff would make you akin to G_d yourself. And we know where that kind of ambition leads, don’t we?


28 posted on 03/24/2011 6:11:58 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Strategerist

“The Christchurch Cathedral has been damaged by earthquakes 5 times since 1881, losing it’s spire 3 times.”

When they put up the 4th one, I’ll say that was G_d’s will.


29 posted on 03/24/2011 6:14:12 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: Tribemike1

In that case Hollywood would be destroyed by now...


30 posted on 03/24/2011 7:53:21 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Not necessarily....God has decided to extend them more mercy....

Don’t try to balance this....New Zealand’s timing ...why not Hollywood first? As I see Liz Taylor pass into eternity, I think of her contemporaries...many of whom did not make it to age 60 (Errol Flynn, Tyrone Power, Jeff Chandler, Linda Darnell, Richard Burton, etc)....

In Japan’s case, one could argue a link to their aggression from 1937 in Nanking, Bataan, Pearl Harbor, etc....

It cannot be accidents....Divine Providence as defined by the New Advent Encyclopedia:

As applied to God, Providence is God Himself considered in that act by which in His wisdom He so orders all events within the universe that the end for which it was created may be realized.............


31 posted on 03/24/2011 8:02:15 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: joeclarke
Did Christ Crush Christchurch In New Zealand? Did God Jump On Japan?
No. G-d is love. G-d's angels, OTOH, are another story.
32 posted on 03/26/2011 8:59:23 PM PDT by Milhous (Lev 19:18 Love your neighbor as yourself.)
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