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Kindle 3 WIFI only worth it for a College Student
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Posted on 03/27/2011 7:58:21 PM PDT by Black_Shark

Hey all,

Topic of thread pretty much sums it up. I am a 21 year old college student with an avid love of Economics and reading. I am trying to decide whether to buy the new Kindle for $130 after my 15% discount at Target ( I work there and I have the debit card) or continue buying new books or going to the library. I would love to be able to use it to get old economics textbooks and other genres for cheap!

The WIFI internet also will help me get through Calculus without dying of boredom.

Any Kindle owners that can help me out?

- Black_Shark


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1 posted on 03/27/2011 7:58:23 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark
I am a 21 year old college student with an avid love of Economics and reading. I am trying to decide whether to buy the new Kindle for $130 after my 15% discount at Target ( I work there and I have the debit card) or continue buying new books or going to the library. I would love to be able to use it to get old economics textbooks and other genres for cheap!

The Kindle supports PDF format, which I'd guess would be the format textbooks and class notes would show up in, as well as MOBI and EPUB. The memory capacity is fairly enormous considering how small most MOBI/EPUB/PDF files are. Other formats (RTF, DOC, etc.) can be converted to something the Kindle can read using Calibre. I'd recommend the Kindle as long as you know ebook versions of the latest editions of your texts exist - bear in mind that older texts may have been updated.

The WIFI internet also will help me get through Calculus without dying of boredom.

The Kindle web browser is readable, but the display and navigation are fairly crappy. A cheap laptop (under $500) would be a better bet for that.
2 posted on 03/27/2011 8:06:19 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Black_Shark

Get your Kindle now, you won’t regret it. You’ll still buy print books, but more and more you’ll appreciate the convenience of one-click shopping and the cheaper price of downloaded books, and your limited storage space won’t be cluttered with piles of books.


3 posted on 03/27/2011 8:06:30 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Black_Shark
wifi works great, but navigation is cumbersome for browsing IMO.

Many public domain books/classics are available for free via amazon. some libraries lend ebooks.

If you're an avid reader, it might be worth it.

4 posted on 03/27/2011 8:07:29 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Well, the only sites that I frequent are Free Republic and Zero Hedge. Other than that, the web is dead to me haha


5 posted on 03/27/2011 8:09:15 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

I have the Kindle 2. It is completely and utterly unsuitable for any sort of technical books - anything with diagrams or pictures. I’m not sure if the Kindle is any better, but I expect not. Also, you may find that you can’t get many of your textbooks for the Kindle. ANd finally, Kindle books are close to full price, whereas you can buy used textbooks.


6 posted on 03/27/2011 8:09:30 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: stainlessbanner

Might? Why only might? Is there something about the Kindle, such as price, that would make me regret the purchase? While on a limited budget, I am willing to cut back on certain activities/things for awhile in order to make this purchase but I would like to have the full picture before committing.


7 posted on 03/27/2011 8:10:35 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Scutter

So, for textbooks, the Kindle is worthless. Why is that? Is it because of the lack of having an actual book in front of you and being able to flip through pages, etc ( or throw it against a wall in some cases haha)?


8 posted on 03/27/2011 8:11:52 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Ciexyz

I meant the limited storage space of your college apartment won’t be cluttered with books. The Kindle storage capacity is immense. You can also download freebies of all the old classics which can provide a justification for owning the device - having the Bible, War and Peace, the complete Mark Twain on your Kindle.


9 posted on 03/27/2011 8:15:18 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Black_Shark

Is it possible that you have access to a digital library in your state? We get many ebooks and audiobooks from our digital libraries. Please check!


10 posted on 03/27/2011 8:15:49 PM PDT by Silentgypsy
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To: Black_Shark

I don’t know anything other than I love books...I love the look, the feel, the smell of books...BUT I broke down and bought a Kindle for myself for Christmas and I LOVE IT! I have downloaded books from Audible so I can listen to them when my old eyes get tired. I have a wonderful cover that has a built in light that makes the Kindle feel more like a real book. I love the speed of the downloading. I like the prices of the Kindle books compared to the written word. I can take it anywhere...stick it in my purse. I downloaded Ken Follet’s new book that is about a million pages...I have that to carry as well as about 20 other ones I have downloaded...all in a little package right in my purse. Think about trying to put all those in any type of bag and haul them around!


11 posted on 03/27/2011 8:17:49 PM PDT by imfrmdixie (“If you're in it, win it. If there's doubt, get out.” Palin on foreign policy.)
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12 posted on 03/27/2011 8:19:40 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Black_Shark

I absolutely love my Kindle and recommend it without reservation to anyone who loves to read. That said, some of the other posters may be right in that there could be a dearth of textbooks available for it. I don’t know that for sure, never having had occasion to research the issue. Also note that someone mentioned the fact that it reads PDFs; that’s true, but it’s NOT a particularly good reader for PDFs IMHO. It displays one PDF page at a time, which makes for some tiny text.

One of my favorite features, BTW, requires the 3G version. I love that whenever I have the Kindle with me, if I spot a good looking book on a shelf somewhere, I can instantly power up the Kindle and download a free sample of that book, right then and there. The same can be done with the WiFi version, of course; you’ll just have to wait until you’re somewhere with WiFi connectivity. The free-sample feature has saved me a ton of money. I’ve read so much that I’ve gotten extremely selective on quality of writing, and being able to get a free sample saves me from many a purchase of a book I’d never finish.

MM


13 posted on 03/27/2011 8:20:45 PM PDT by MississippiMan (http://gogmagogblog.wordpress.com/)
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To: Black_Shark
I use the kindle for pleasure reading only. For textbooks, journals, scholarly work, history, manuals, workbooks, etc, I find the kindle format hard to work with.

I would rather have pages to flip through, mark up, fold corners, etc. I can grab off a shelf and find the reference quicker than i can with the kindle.

So back to "fun" reading...it's a great deal b/c you can get free books, public domain books, and on sale ebooks. I'm just not sold on it being a 100% replacement for physical textbooks. As another poster shared, you won't regret the purchase.

14 posted on 03/27/2011 8:21:05 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Ciexyz

I don’t know about the prices of textbooks but for new hardbacks the Kindle price is at least forty percent cheaper because of the savings on paper and distribution. New releases used to be a standard 9.99 in price but that’s inched up. Check any new release on Amazon - they always list the Kindle price if available on Kindle. Paperbacks on Kindle are usually equivalent to the Walmart discount and no charge for taxes. A 5.99 paperback sells for 4.12 at Walmart and that’s often the Kindle price too.


15 posted on 03/27/2011 8:23:32 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Black_Shark

I like my Kindle and I wish it was available 38 years ago when I was in college. The internet access, let alone the free libary access over the internet is a great help. The ability to bookmark pages and make sidenotes would have been a great help. I muddled through nevertheless.
Good luck to you.


16 posted on 03/27/2011 8:28:19 PM PDT by RedMDer (restoration of our honor, dignity, and freedoms will save America. - Sarah Palin)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek; Black_Shark
AnotherUnixGeek, smart reply. I agree with the nice comments on some of the subtleties of the Kindle. However, Avid Reader and College Student? If it can possibly be afforded by this student I would recommend getting it.

$130 is cheaper than many of the worthless textbooks that students will have to buy, and it can be used to read many other books for free.

Do they make you read Jane Austen in English class? All her books and thousands of other books they might make you read are free.

For $50 more you can even get permanent free 3G connectivity with it which even allows you to "browse the web" for free almost anywhere with 3G even without the WiFi, though that is even more "clunky" than other navigation issues. And you can e-mail yourself notes that show up on the Kindle to read "offline" when you do not have your laptop.

Example, right up your alley, that I coincidentally doing just before I read this thread:

On another thread tonight the book below was advocated, and I just downloaded it for free ,and am putting it on my Kindle.

Even if it takes me a year to read it, I will finally get it read because I will have it with me for all those times when I are sitting in a waiting room, etc.

My new free book:

A Tiger by the Tail
A 40-Years’ Running Commentary on Keynesianism by Hayek
With an essay on ‘The Outlook for the 1970s:
Open or Repressed Inflation?’
by
F.A. HAYEK
Nobel Laureate 1974

Compiled and Introduced by Sudha R. Shenoy

Introduction by Joseph T. Salerno
Third Edition
Published jointly by The Institute of Economic Affairs and the Ludwig von Mises Institute

I do not think you will regret getting a Kindle. It is a cheap blip compared to the rest of your educational expenses.

17 posted on 03/27/2011 8:29:05 PM PDT by Weirdad (Don't put up with ANY voter fraud...)
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To: Black_Shark
I'm using a 10.1” Acer Aspire One Netbook, and think it much better than a Kindle would be. Among other things, I can read any ebook format I like on it. Mine came with Windows XP on it, the newer ones come with Windows 7, which I'm not all that fond of, but you can put Ubuntu Linux on it easily.

I can run Adobe's Acrobat, Framemaker, and Photoshop 7 for sure, and I've used the Trial version of Acrobat 10, as well. It also runs MS Office 2007 as well as I need it, anyway.

It came with 1GB memory, and a 160GB hard drive, I've upgraded to 2GB (the max my model D250 will take) and a 500GB hard drive. It is slower than the Dell desktop machine I have, but it does everything that one can do, just more slowly, and it weighs 3.5 lbs. It works for taking notes in class, too. I was working on my master's in Special Ed when I bought it, shortly after I had my right hip replaced, and knew I couldn't carry my older 7 lb Compaq laptop.

I paid $248 for it at Walmart a bit over a year and a half ago. $35 for the 2GB SIMM, a year ago, and $79 for the 500GB HD, about 4 months ago.

It's not a touch screen, but it does have a full keyboard and touchpad, 3 USB 2 ports, and an SD card reader, WiFi, and an ethernet port. Plus the usual stereo mic & earphone jacks. It is considerably more versatile than a kindle would be, at any rate, and less expensive than an IPad2. Hope that helps! OS

18 posted on 03/27/2011 8:33:23 PM PDT by Old Student
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To: Ciexyz

E-readers are fueling the growth of online publishing and providing writing opportunities for writers of racier content. A lot of adult entertainment is downloaded in the privacy of one’s own reading device. Not just smut, but content to satisfy the reader’s desires for another Harry Potter or Twilight. What the big publishers don’t deliver in time to satisfy a trend, some writer will post online for download and it will sell.


19 posted on 03/27/2011 8:36:28 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Black_Shark
Is there something about the Kindle, such as price, that would make me regret the purchase?

Others have described well its portability and capacity for a large selection of books. The internet connection is best for buying/downloading the books and reference sources such as Wikipedia. News blogs are offered at $2 per mo., but not really worth it, I thought. You can load it with MP3 music to play aloud or through the earphones. You could use it for Yahoo mail or gmail in a pinch, but it's rather clumsy at that (or my fingers are too big). You can play video poker and other games on it to pass the time if you're not reading, which is its forte. It will convert text to speech on most books or you can even buy the audio books.

I suspect that technical diagrams or finely drawn material is best left for a textbook or full screen computer.

Here's a thought: Borrow one for a few days and see how you like it. My wife got mine and has kept it. ;o) I had to buy another one.

20 posted on 03/27/2011 8:39:35 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Ciexyz
The kindle freebies are not limited to old stuff. I always try to keep some of my fantasy novels on amazon for free. It is a good way to introduce readers to your works.

Another plus for ereaders is the ability to search through whatever you are reading, and it is easy to bookmark passages you might want to return to.

Also, although this will probably not pertain to the young, my old eyes find it easier to read text on an ereader than a book. Plus you can change the font if your eyes are getting tired.

21 posted on 03/27/2011 8:42:59 PM PDT by Marak (I don't deal with reality.)
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To: Black_Shark

Get a Nook Color and root it. You’ll get a reader and a tablet all in one. It really is a deal too good to pass up. They go on sale on the B&N eBay store every now and then for $200 + shipping.


22 posted on 03/27/2011 8:52:13 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Black_Shark

First off, I have the Kindle 2, not the 3. The size of the readable area on the Kindle 2 is relatively small compared with your average textbook. Plus any sort of pictures or diagrams are illegible. Plus, check and see what books are available for it, as many books are not.


23 posted on 03/27/2011 8:53:37 PM PDT by Scutter
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To: DeFault User

I would love to borrow one but I don’t know anyone who has one. I guess I could try the local library or my school’s library.

If I could try one out for a few days, that would help ease my mind over spending $130 which, for a college student, is quite a bit of money for one purchase. It also doesn’t help that I am quite anal about spending money as it is.


24 posted on 03/27/2011 8:54:01 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Marak

Fantasy? What type of fantasy? If it’s anything remotely similar to Dragonlance, you may have a new reader! :]


25 posted on 03/27/2011 8:55:42 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Weirdad

Your correct in that $130 is cheaper than most of my textbooks (Sociology comes to mind...) but I am done with the General Education requirements section of my degree and am now taking solely math/econ courses.

Are there many economics based books for free on the Kindle? I am assuming that Wealth of Nations is free and the book that you mentioned sounds fascinating.


26 posted on 03/27/2011 9:00:30 PM PDT by Black_Shark
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To: Black_Shark

It’s epic fantasy. Look for Young Lord of Khadora at amazon, B&N or almost anywhere. It’s free right now so you can give it a spin and see if it is for you. If you like Dragonlance, I think you will enjoy it.


27 posted on 03/27/2011 9:03:53 PM PDT by Marak (I don't deal with reality.)
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To: MississippiMan
It displays one PDF page at a time, which makes for some tiny text.

This is true, but it's possible to zoom into an area of a PDF page. It's also easy to convert a PDF to MOBI, resolving this problem.

For textbooks with diagrams, equations and illustrations, it might be a good idea to get the larger Kindle - the Kindle DX or whatever.
28 posted on 03/27/2011 9:09:33 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Black_Shark
For the heck of it. I am posting this reply with the Kindle. The keys are small. But it can be done.
29 posted on 03/27/2011 9:29:13 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Black_Shark

I tried the PC Kindle version (free) before I bought one. Here is the link to download:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=kcp_pc_mkt_lnd?docId=1000426311


30 posted on 03/27/2011 9:45:05 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: Weirdad
I have the Kindle DX.

I have been (slowly) raiding the Mises, Hayek, and Rothbard libraries published by the Von Mises Institute.

At the moment, I'm rereading Theory And History, having given my hardback to a friend around twenty years ago.

31 posted on 03/27/2011 9:51:46 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: Black_Shark

See my #31, above.


32 posted on 03/27/2011 9:53:41 PM PDT by Erasmus (I love "The Raven," but then what do I know? I'm just a poetaster.)
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To: SengirV

The Nook Color is a terrific device, especially for the price.


33 posted on 03/27/2011 9:59:38 PM PDT by Wallop the Cat
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To: Weirdad
Thanks. I, too, snagged a free PDF of Tiger by the Tail.
34 posted on 03/27/2011 10:02:29 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Yes, Mr. Lennon, I do want a revolution.)
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To: Black_Shark

Buy the book color and root it. You get a 250 dollar android tablet. Love mine and a great reader.


35 posted on 03/27/2011 10:04:54 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Any economy based on Keynesian principles and practices are always ponzi/pyramid schemes.)
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To: Black_Shark

Buy the Kindle. You’ll love it.


36 posted on 03/27/2011 10:10:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre ("I'd rather be ruled by the Tea Party than the Democratic Party." Norman Podhoretz)
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To: Black_Shark

For what you are looking to use it, I’d save up for an iPad or get a laptop. You can use Kindle For PC to download any Kindle book and have all the other eReaders, too with a laptop.

As one other comment said, diagrams suck on the Kindle, you can’t ever get them big enough to read.

I also use my Kindle only for pleasure reading, my current events and history books are tree pulp that I can mark up.

The browsing capability is not that great.

Bottom line, Kindle for pleasure reading, laptop for all those other activities.


37 posted on 03/27/2011 10:12:44 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I was given a Kindle 3 wifi yesterday. Docs say it does not read ePub format. Uncovenverted pdfs are marginal


38 posted on 03/27/2011 10:30:53 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: Wallop the Cat

Kindle 3 is the best e-reader device out there. I did a comparison against the Nook and it wins hands-down.


39 posted on 03/27/2011 10:55:33 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Luke ScottWalker - The Force Is With You)
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To: Black_Shark

I learned alot about the Kindle by reading user reviews of the devices on Amazon.com. Generally, the reviewers said PDF’s have to be read landscape orientation in order for the text to be visible in size (you cant adjust the text size of a PDF). Diagrams in books or PDF’s would be generally difficult to see.
You can look up specific economic’s book titles on Amazon and see if a kindle version is available. Look at the prices of kindle books versus used etc.
I have only had the kindle for a few days and right now, I love it. I find I take it out and read it when I have just 10 minutes or less for a coffee break. I downloaded free books (public domain) on Amazon so you may want to see what’s available there free to see if it has titles you like. I have read Amazon reviews that say the browser is clunky. But you don’t have to have a Kindle device to read kindle books if you have an ITouch, iPad, Blackberry or computer because Amazon makes free Kindle apps for those devices. I’ve used the free Amazon Kindle software on my PC so if you want to look at technical books or diagrams - you are more likely to have enough screen size if you buy a netbook or notebook. Kindle’s strong suit is for people who like to read everywhere and anywhere and want the best ‘paper’ to read from - other devices are harder on the eyes because of the backlight shiny screen. The kindle has the best looking characters on the page that are easier on the eyes. The Nook is in color but again you have that shiny screen. Good luck.


40 posted on 03/27/2011 11:12:09 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: DeFault User

Thanks for that link. Always something new to find on FR!


41 posted on 03/27/2011 11:29:41 PM PDT by Cedar
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To: sionnsar
Docs say it does not read ePub format.

Eh - you're right, sorry for posting incorrect info. I had a large collection of books in EPUB format that I transferred onto my Kindle last year after loading in Calibre. Calibre conversion to MOBI was easy enough that I forgot about the conversion step.
42 posted on 03/27/2011 11:30:06 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Really? How’s this look in black and white? The Nook Color has 8g of storage space that I can add to with an SD card; Kindle has 4g with no expansion. Kindle doesn’t read the standard ePub format. I’ve got music, photos, web browsing, video (with Flash coming next month), and it costs only $50 more. Better put those hands back up cuz you got robbed. ;^)


43 posted on 03/28/2011 1:45:49 AM PDT by Wallop the Cat
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Kindle 3 is the best e-reader device out there. I did a comparison against the Nook and it wins hands-down.

Can it do color?

44 posted on 03/28/2011 2:30:06 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: SengirV; Wallop the Cat; Centurion2000

Nook Color: “Flash is indeed coming to the device, along with an app store — Angry Birds is confirmed — and push e-mail, ushered along by an OS update to Android 2.2.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/digitaltrends/20110327/tc_digitaltrends/hsnconfirmsnookstoreandroid22flashpushemailfornookcolor;_ylt=AuUTvrS4ieHGqMCc..i9_xqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTFoZjAzbmhqBHBvcwMxMjkEc2VjA2FjY29yZGlvbl90ZWNobm9sb2d5BHNsawNoc25jb25maXJtc24-


45 posted on 03/28/2011 3:25:29 AM PDT by decimon
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To: Black_Shark

I recently received a Kindle 3G as a gift. I travel often, and it sure beats lugging books around. Compared to reading on a laptop, it is extremely easy on the eyes. I’m in the habit of reading multiple books at a time and having a Kindle makes that a joy. Yeah, the Kindle web browser is clunky and kind of slow, but it’s just fine for basic browsing, especially when you don’t have an internet connection or don’t want to fumble around for your credit card to login at the airport. I recommend using it with Calibre; an open-source software that, among other things, allows you to convert any e-reader format to work with the Kindle.There a hundreds of thousands of free e-books to be had too, including most of the classics. And you can also “check out” e-books from your library, load them on the Kindle, and read them for free. Buy a Kindle. You will love it.


46 posted on 03/28/2011 5:39:26 AM PDT by Rocco DiPippo
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To: decimon
Can it do color?

It doesn't need to. Kindle uses advanced e-ink technology which makes it easier on the eyes and resembles a book.

The LCD used in Nook and Ipad, for example, strains the eyes over time.

47 posted on 03/28/2011 4:08:43 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Luke ScottWalker - The Force Is With You)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Cementjungle

Okay, but your reply should have been to Cementjungle


48 posted on 03/28/2011 4:19:03 PM PDT by decimon
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

But, Kindle’s greatest rival Barnes & Noble’s Nook Color eReader to get a Software update in April; expected to bring Flash, Email and App Store


49 posted on 03/29/2011 8:33:42 AM PDT by techprezz
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Eh - you're right, sorry for posting incorrect info.

For the reference & link to Calibre, all is forgiven! *\;^)

Seriously, I had not known of it before, so you've done me a great favor! Thanks!!!

50 posted on 03/29/2011 8:14:51 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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