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A Chilling Study in Cause and Effect - Finding the true cause of the Kandahar Riots
Illinois Review ^ | April 3, 2011 A.D. | John F. Di Leo

Posted on 04/03/2011 6:05:16 PM PDT by jfd1776

In a small town in Florida on March 20, the pastor of a small church held a public event: burning a koran for his audience and a video camera. His American Christian audience reacted as one would expect from them: they were happy to be a part of this provocative event; they returned to their homes and jobs after the service, and went on with their lives.

The world continued to turn… nobody of substance cared about Pastor Jones’ latest attempt at news coverage… until almost two weeks later, when it made the news half a planet away, in Afghanistan.

The president of Afghanistan denounced the event; imams and mullahs hammered it in their mosques. Their Afghan muslim audience reacted as one would expect from them: they streamed out into the streets, hunting down foreigners, beating hundreds of UN aides, NATO staffers, contractors, travelers, journalists, soldiers… rioting in the streets, burning the shops in their own neighborhoods, destroying property, attacking innocent bystanders. At least a hundred injuries and dozens of killings were confirmed by the second day of the riots.

In a world in which thousands die tragically every day – from starvation to murder, from disease and neglect – these events might not seem particularly newsworthy. When aren’t there riots in that part of the world? When aren’t innocents killed? It happens every day.

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The news media says that the Kandahar riots were caused by the burning of a koran in Florida. Were they really?
1 posted on 04/03/2011 6:05:22 PM PDT by jfd1776
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To: jfd1776
If only we appease the practitioners of the ROP, they will love and admire us!


2 posted on 04/03/2011 6:13:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: jfd1776
"..Were they really? .."

I suspect it was caused by community organizers who deserve some serious lead therapy.

3 posted on 04/03/2011 6:13:59 PM PDT by labette ( Humble student of Thinkology)
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To: Travis McGee
No matter what we do to or for the muslims, at the end of the day, we are still infidels and they will still hate us.
4 posted on 04/03/2011 6:15:47 PM PDT by umgud
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To: Travis McGee

This so-called Christian minister has blood on his hands. And for what? A publicity stunt.


5 posted on 04/03/2011 6:18:39 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: jfd1776

Did you know Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance and mercy?


6 posted on 04/03/2011 6:22:12 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: jfd1776

I believe it really was because of the civilian killings and the taking of photos of the “trophies” by the US servicemen. But that would reflect badly on “The One”, just as Al Ghraib did on Bush, so they deflected it to this stupid pastor, with the willingness of the MSM.


7 posted on 04/03/2011 6:22:20 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: labette

It’s amazing that the media is ready to tar and feather Jones for this HOWEVER, when a young female CBS journalist is raped, sexually assaulted and debased by Egyptian “rebels,” they scurry her off and not a peep about the depravity of the Muslims who committed such atrocities. Were there burnings of mosques in the US following such terrible acts? Were there killings or beheadings? Of course not, but regardless, the liberals here will ignore Islamic violence and try to convince everyone that it’s only because of Jones (or Bush, or whoever) that the muslims try to kill us.


8 posted on 04/03/2011 6:23:35 PM PDT by t2buckeye
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To: arrogantsob

It’s the media’s fault for reporting it.
They chose what stories get the grease.


9 posted on 04/03/2011 6:26:22 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

No it is the Ahole’s fault entirely. It he doesn’t do it there is nothing for the media to report.


10 posted on 04/03/2011 6:28:01 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob
This so-called Christian minister has blood on his hands

As opposed to the actual people who set structures on fire, rioted and killed innocent people. Your moral compass is broken. I hope to God you never are on a jury pool you would probably call for the judge to be executed.

11 posted on 04/03/2011 6:34:14 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Pray for Obama (Psalms 109:8))
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To: Travis McGee

Scarves?

Not helmets?

Are our women soldiers second class??

Dumb, very, very dumb!

(but of course, most PC decisions are very, very dumb!)


12 posted on 04/03/2011 6:35:02 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("All it takes for Evil to triumph is for good MEN to do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: jfd1776
Nuke ‘em! Any so called religion that riots and kills over cartoons and any other perceived slight needs to be returned to the stone age!
13 posted on 04/03/2011 6:36:05 PM PDT by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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To: arrogantsob

I don’t really think that computes. Are we prepared to give up our freedoms because gangs of murderous killers go around killing people randomly and chopping off their heads, after having been stirred up by clerics driving around with loudspeakers?

If some Muslim jerk half way around the world says, “Stop doing that!” are we obliged to obey?

If we do, then we are already dhimmis, cowering in fear of our Muslim masters.

Whether or not you think it is nice to burn Korans, that kind of insane response simply cannot be tolerated.


14 posted on 04/03/2011 6:37:14 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: t2buckeye

t2buckeye, you nailed it.

However offended the muslims are at a koran burning, they have every right to be angry, every right to think the west is rude, every right to refuse to trade with us, to buy our goods on the open market.

but it does not give them the right to commit mayhem and murder. Anyone who blames Jones for this is giving in to the worst kind of political blackmail.

As you said, t2buckeye, we don’t attack innocent muslims just because other guilty muslims assaulted or killed our innocents. Those that react like that are barbarians — savages.


15 posted on 04/03/2011 6:37:27 PM PDT by jfd1776
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To: arrogantsob

“This so-called Christian minister has blood on his hands. And for what? A publicity stunt.”

No to prove a point...which is that Islam is an INTOLERANT religion, even to the point of killing innocent people over a book burning.

That may all be obvious to us FReepers, but there are A LOT of people at all levels of government in Western countries, that have NO CLUE about this little characteristic of Islam.

I’m glad he’s bringing it out, but I wish he didn’t have to.


16 posted on 04/03/2011 6:41:22 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: BobL

He is endangering our people and for NO reason except his own self-aggrandizement.

There is no need to give these creeps any more reasons to resort to violence. They do it every day all over Africa and the Middle East.

Don’t pretend that Minister Moron is doing anything except accomplishing Satan’s work. Christ would have NOTHING to do with stunts like this.


17 posted on 04/03/2011 6:47:45 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

No, it’s really the fault of the animals who killed all those people.


18 posted on 04/03/2011 6:47:45 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

Every drop of blood is to be laid on Minister Moron’s head.


19 posted on 04/03/2011 6:48:42 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

“Don’t pretend that Minister Moron is doing anything except accomplishing Satan’s work. Christ would have NOTHING to do with stunts like this.”

I’ll agree with that part of it...using a church as a cover doesn’t help.

But I also agree with the way he’s helping to get the message out...which seems to be a REALLY, REALLY, difficult thing to do - despite them flying planes into buildings.


20 posted on 04/03/2011 6:50:30 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: arrogantsob

Maybe if just once somebody would mow down the mother f*ckers when they rampage, it won’t happen again, even if 10,000 Korans were burned.

The problem is they don’t fear us.


21 posted on 04/03/2011 6:50:33 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: arrogantsob

Your kind of reasoning fits right in with the animals.


22 posted on 04/03/2011 6:50:46 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: jfd1776

No, they were caused by satan pitching a fit and passing it on to his minions.


23 posted on 04/03/2011 6:50:46 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Wanna learn humility? Become a Pittsburgh Pirates fan!)
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To: arrogantsob
This so-called Christian minister has blood on his hands. ...

And whom did he kill?

24 posted on 04/03/2011 6:50:59 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Travis McGee
Yup. We saved the Muzzies in Kosovo and they rewarded us with 9/11.

Who knows. Maybe we didn't apologize enough.

25 posted on 04/03/2011 6:52:00 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: The Theophilus

You don’t cover yourself with blood and jump in the shark pool. Minister Moron makes our job in Afghanistan much more difficult with such stunts. Our soldiers pay with their lives it isn’t some childish game.

My moral compass points to the FACT that Christ would never approve of such things. He believed in treating people with respect no matter their religion or moral failings. I don’t remember him picking up any stones or leading the pack ready to kill.

Innocent people died because of Minister Moron’s publicity stunt.


26 posted on 04/03/2011 6:53:17 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: Cicero

We are obliged to make our soldiers’ jobs easier not complicate them with self-aggrandizing publicity stunts.

So your theory is to try and make the Islamics hate us even more and verify what they are told by their imans that the west in anti-Islam and trying to destroy their religion. Brilliant. Just brilliant.

Minister Moron is endangering our men and our mission for non-christian reasons. Is that his idea of loving his fellow man?


27 posted on 04/03/2011 6:58:27 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: BobL

No, Minister Moron is provoking them to fly even MORE planes into buildings. Is he working in conjunction with Osama? Is he a terrorist?

You get the message out by understanding how Islam is different from Christianity and patiently explaining that difference to people from all walks of life.

Should he burn the Book of Mormon too? Or the Buddhist texts or the Homeric Hymns?


28 posted on 04/03/2011 7:01:47 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

Fool. How could the Christian minister make Muslims kill? Did he hold a gun to their heads? No they kill because they are Muslims.


29 posted on 04/03/2011 7:02:27 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: Travis McGee

So our female soldiers go around with unprotected heads to make the barbarians happy? Not very smart on our part.


30 posted on 04/03/2011 7:03:07 PM PDT by madison10
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To: jfd1776

I wonder what would happen if we burn them in every city?

sorta like desensitation

as has been done with every Bible discovered by muslims


31 posted on 04/03/2011 7:04:32 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: dfwgator

We have a mission in Afghanistan and this sorry sack of shiite endangers it and all those serving our nation.

He is obviously a satanic moron and there is nothing Christian in these stunts, nothing.

Is he working in conjunction with OBL’s spring recruitment drive? Is he paid by the amount of blood shed?


32 posted on 04/03/2011 7:05:36 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

Thatis so stupid a comment as to be insane.

Let me help. I SPIT on the Koran, and somebody in Afghanistan kills somebody else, netiher of wom I know. How is that my fault?

Muslims disrespect Christians and the Bibles everyday, yet how many are killed for it? Zero would be my guess.

But say I killed a Muslim over the fact. So I am innocent of any crime?

Or are you of the type that doesn’t concern itself with the defects and crimes of non-Western cultures because they were colonized or something?


33 posted on 04/03/2011 7:05:51 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: arrogantsob

“You get the message out by understanding how Islam is different from Christianity and patiently explaining that difference to people from all walks of life.”

That approach doesn’t seem to be working very well, at least for the people that count (i.e., political leaders).

“Should he burn the Book of Mormon too? Or the Buddhist texts or the Homeric Hymns?”

He could burn copies of those texts, but I’d expect the result of his efforts would be a big yawn...and I know it would be with the Book of Mormon (i.e., they have better things to do than run around like mad when someone burns their book).

...and that is his point.


34 posted on 04/03/2011 7:07:02 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts))
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To: arrogantsob

Just what is our “mission” in Afghanistan, anyway?


35 posted on 04/03/2011 7:07:09 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CaptainK

My reasoning is simply asking “What Would Christ Do?”

And the answer is not even questionable. No one here has even claimed that this is a Christian act. That clearly proves that it is wrong.


36 posted on 04/03/2011 7:07:41 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

Maybe you have forgotten the incident with the moneychangers??

Maybe you forgot the contemptuous terms with which he referred to the “scribes and Pharisees”

Christ wasn’t the milksop so many uninformed people take him to be.


37 posted on 04/03/2011 7:08:12 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: dfwgator

BINGO!!!! We have a winner.


38 posted on 04/03/2011 7:09:16 PM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man.)
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To: arrogantsob
There is no need to give these creeps any more reasons to resort to violence

I agree. So from now on, we're only going to say nice things about Islam here on FR.

39 posted on 04/03/2011 7:10:00 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: arrogantsob

Christ wouldn’t have cut off the head of a human being because somebody burned his favorite book.


40 posted on 04/03/2011 7:10:14 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: dread78645
The innocents referenced died because of Minister Moron's anti-Christian acts. Never have I heard any Christian justify the burning of the books of other religions. Not that they haven't done it in the past but it always cost mankind in the long run. Where does Christ say Christians should insult and infuriate none Christians? I must have missed that chapter.
41 posted on 04/03/2011 7:11:07 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: WriteOn

You just saw how and I’m the fool? LoL we wouldn’t even be having this conversation but for Minister Moron the phony Christian.


42 posted on 04/03/2011 7:12:55 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob

Dhimmi


43 posted on 04/03/2011 7:14:10 PM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: arrogantsob

So what was your reaction when they rioted over the mohammed cartoon in the Danish newspaper? Evil Danish Newspaper?


44 posted on 04/03/2011 7:15:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: chesley

When you shove your stupidity into someone else’s face it is your fault when you get slugged by him. This little cowardly phony Christian does not have to face the consequences of his stupidity our soldiers do.

We are in Afghanistan to accomplish a purpose why would you support a cowardly phony who makes that harder for us? While I don’t advocate insulting people unnecessarily I would not be upset if someone acted out such stunts IF OUR TROOPS’ JOBS WERE NOT MADE MORE DIFFICULT. That is not the case here.


45 posted on 04/03/2011 7:17:58 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: CaptainK

[It’s the media’s fault for reporting it.
They chose what stories get the grease.]

Today’s winner, folks.


46 posted on 04/03/2011 7:20:58 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Let's roll on this gunwalking thing already! NRA <BCC><)
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To: arrogantsob

let him burn whatever book he chooses

this is America - we are free to do such things

the minister isn’t provoking anyone - the immans are - when you finally come to the understanding that our very existence as ‘infidels’ is provoking, you will realize there will never be appeasement, ever - ever. Just look to Israel for all the example you’ll ever need.

muslims need to get over themselves.


47 posted on 04/03/2011 7:22:05 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: Blue Collar Christian

And it was General Petraeus who gave the stupid pastor all the publicity, when he publicly warned him. Before that, hardly anybody in Afghanistan even knew who this podunk pastor was, when Petraeus was finished....everybody knew who he was.


48 posted on 04/03/2011 7:22:31 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

At present it is to install and protect a pro-American government and destroy the Taliban to the extent possible. It is also to show the people that America is not there to destroy their culture or religion. It is a very complex attempt unlike any of our former wars.

Look I despise Islam and believe it to be the work of Satan but it cannot be attacked directly and destroyed without destroying hundreds of millions of people. Americans are not Nazis and won’t support such a thing. I support those things which can actually lead to the destruction or reform of Islam not self-aggrandizing phony preachers’ stunts.


49 posted on 04/03/2011 7:22:59 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: arrogantsob; CaptainK
No it is the Ahole’s fault entirely. It he doesn’t do it there is nothing for the media to report.

If I were so offended by your post that I went out and slaughtered a bus load of nuns, would it be your fault? Perhaps you should be careful of what you post. You might have blood on your hands.

50 posted on 04/03/2011 7:24:01 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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