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Time Mag Editor: Koran Is ‘Directly The Word of God,’ Bible Just a Book ‘Written By Man’
bigjournalism.com ^ | April 5, 2011 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 04/05/2011 8:06:22 PM PDT by PROCON

In another example of a sort-of cultural suicide where western media types assume that all Muslims are blameless – while all Americans are at fault in this clash of civilizations between Islamism and the West – we have a recent episode of MSNBC’s Hardball with one-time Democratic operative Chuck Todd standing-in for host Chris Matthews.

Todd was discussing the riots in Afghanistan sparked by Islamist ire over the burning of a Koran by a Florida pastor. During the interview Todd and a guest stated that the Christian Bible was just a book written by men while the Koran was the “direct word of God.” The two implied that this excuses Muslims from murdering people over the book burning.

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Unbelievable, that's all I can muster...
1 posted on 04/05/2011 8:06:26 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON
The Left usually appear to be a bunch of atheists who think that religion is a bunch of hooey. But this is not strictly true. The Left does not automatically hate religion.

They just hate Christianity.

I would say that this is the central tenet of the Left, and has been since the French Revolution (which was extremely anti-clerical). The Left is at war with the God of the Bible. Other gods? Oh, they're ok.

2 posted on 04/05/2011 8:09:58 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: PROCON
Terry Jones has done us all a favor.

He has caused the unhinged Left to come out from behind their masks.

3 posted on 04/05/2011 8:10:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("...crush the bourgeoisie... between the millstones of taxation and inflation." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: PROCON

The Koran is the manifesto of an evil totalitarian political system. Check out what Ann has to say on these two wonderful videos linked at Gates of Vienna.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/04/manifesto-of-evil-totalitarian.html#more


4 posted on 04/05/2011 8:10:21 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: PROCON

Wonder what he thinks of Moses smashing the Ten Commandments.


5 posted on 04/05/2011 8:10:41 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: PROCON
Is that how it really went down, in context? Awfully provocative headline. If it doesn't reflect what was actually said, it doesn't help the credibility of the source.

I'm ignoring stuff more and more as a result. Of course, then if I catch a clip of say an Obama quote, I'm usually incredulous.

6 posted on 04/05/2011 8:10:53 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (You is what you am.)
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To: PROCON

Which Koran?

The original, or the one with 8000 updates ?


7 posted on 04/05/2011 8:11:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: PROCON; All

Thanks for posting. Thread BUMP!

Life, liberty and the pursuit and destruction of totalitarians.


8 posted on 04/05/2011 8:12:27 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: edpc
Wonder what he thinks of Moses smashing the Ten Commandments.

Wasn't the first set inscribed on GOLD tablets?

Seems to me the reason Moses really smashed them was that he knew if he took back tablets of gold, his people would just melt them down to make another statue.

9 posted on 04/05/2011 8:14:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
Is that how it really went down, in context? Awfully provocative headline.

Click on the link and go to the source, you will be astounded!

10 posted on 04/05/2011 8:17:27 PM PDT by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: PROCON

These people are so delusional I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.


11 posted on 04/05/2011 8:21:43 PM PDT by doc1019 ( The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Not the way I learned it.


12 posted on 04/05/2011 8:24:12 PM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Exactly,

If it was the direct word of God, as divine writer, he would have gotten it right the first time. Maybe their “god” is a idiot?


13 posted on 04/05/2011 8:27:45 PM PDT by himno hero ("armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"...Barrack Obama)
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To: himno hero

Mayhap you are right. Beelzebub has been trying to get it right for centuries. Try as he might, he still has detractors; those that spend time proving him wrong.


14 posted on 04/05/2011 8:32:58 PM PDT by doc1019 ( The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: PROCON

This country is finished. Established as a Christian nation, God blessed us as a result. But whenever His children abandon Him, according to Bible history, he gives their land to their enemies. That’s what’s happening now. Liberalism/humanism/secularism has destroyed us.


15 posted on 04/05/2011 8:33:12 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: PROCON
And the editors of TIME came to this epiphany exactly how? TIME magazine has absolutely ZERO credibility as any kind of source.
16 posted on 04/05/2011 8:34:14 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: PROCON

Well, now when muslims kill me, I’ll understand.


17 posted on 04/05/2011 8:39:50 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats are silly people - but silly people can be dangerous)
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To: doc1019
These people are so delusional I almost feel sorry for them. Almost.

I once followed liberalism like these fools, and then finally asked for the Truth and It was revealed to me. I praise God everyday for His Truth; unfortunately some may already be too far removed from the Truth, as this article reveals....

18 posted on 04/05/2011 8:39:50 PM PDT by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: PROCON

Mohammed was just taking dictation.


19 posted on 04/05/2011 8:41:05 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats are silly people - but silly people can be dangerous)
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To: PROCON

In the Bible ... God condemns perversion, yet the Koran was written by a sexual pervert. Go for it “Time Mag Editor”


20 posted on 04/05/2011 8:41:32 PM PDT by doc1019 ( The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: PROCON

I suspect that liberals are tolerant of Muslims because they’re scared to death of them. They know a Christian isn’t going to kill them for pissing on the Christian religion.


21 posted on 04/05/2011 8:42:36 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats are silly people - but silly people can be dangerous)
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To: PROCON

Godless heathens at MSNBC. It’s the other way around.


22 posted on 04/05/2011 8:43:43 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (Oh hell no to islamic law. This is a Christian nation!)
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To: doc1019

>Mayhap you are right. Beelzebub has been trying to get it right for centuries.

Being the Father of Lies he cannot be “right.”


23 posted on 04/05/2011 8:44:49 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: PROCON

Warner Todd Huston (freeper name: Mobile Vulgus) was banned from FR, possibly for twisting JR’s words.


24 posted on 04/05/2011 8:45:07 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: LouAvul
Liberalism/humanism/secularism has destroyed us.

Yes, but we know WHO wins in the end, don't we..:=)

25 posted on 04/05/2011 8:45:07 PM PDT by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Warner Todd Huston (freeper name: Mobile Vulgus) was banned from FR, possibly for twisting JR’s words.

Didn't know that, but it shouldn't matter, this article is spot on!!

26 posted on 04/05/2011 8:48:14 PM PDT by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: PROCON

not “WRITTEN” , transcribed! Moses took dictation.

I’ve been using THAT same defense {piece of verbal gymnastics} against Jehovah’s Witnesses since the late 70s!

The “claim” that the KORAN was written by a Deity & handed DOWN to an illiterate, named Mohammed, IS IMPRESSIVE!


27 posted on 04/05/2011 8:48:33 PM PDT by PizzaDriver ( on)
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To: PROCON

He does write some really interesting articles, but boy was he also paranoid. He believed that Soros was out to get him personally. lol


28 posted on 04/05/2011 8:50:27 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Transcript at link


29 posted on 04/05/2011 8:51:00 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: ClearCase_guy

DING DING DING...We have a WINNER!!!!


30 posted on 04/05/2011 8:53:42 PM PDT by RRismyhero (Mr. Obama - You can keep your change.)
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To: PROCON
This is the same guy who wrote this thread on FR: Blog Police Creeps are George Soros plants.

Boy was he one funny blogpimp.

His article that you posted today is a good one though.

31 posted on 04/05/2011 8:57:12 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: PROCON
Maybe if Christians started having violent riots and threatening/killing anyone who breaks absurd rules of "respect" for the Bible they'll garner the same sort of timid homage this complete ignoramus is the most recent example of.

But then to do that would require that Christians ignore the teachings of the one true God, and follow the spirit that seeks death, destruction and bondage for humanity...Allah/Satan/Devil...whatever you want to call him.

This dolt making pronouncements such as this may earn him some brownie points with the Prince of the Air, but it sure doesn't do anything for his credibility.

If he's willing act like he knows something about the Bible and the Koran when he's obviously completely clueless of both books what else does he pontificate about with the same level of ignorance?

IOW, just another typical Progressive useful idiot.

Pathetic fool.

32 posted on 04/05/2011 8:58:23 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: PROCON
The book of Matthew is the first book in the New Testament. As such, it is a primer on how to be a Christian.

Mathew 22: 34-40... Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
33 posted on 04/05/2011 8:59:11 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
Hey, Soros is out to get ME too, I'm a conservative..:=)

Hiya Birthday boy...:=)

34 posted on 04/05/2011 8:59:23 PM PDT by PROCON (Republicans: we elected you, DON'T let us down; 2011: the year of REPEAL!)
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To: Spruce
The book of Matthew is the first book in the New Testament. As such, it is a primer on how to be a Christian. Mathew 22: 34-40... Hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, the Pharisees got together. One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Amen!

35 posted on 04/05/2011 9:07:20 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: popdonnelly
"Mohammed was just taking dictation."

If that's true, then the dictator certainly wasn't God.

I'm just glad I serve a sovereign, omnipotent God, who has no need to demand I join mobs at the slightest provocation to fight for Him.

It's good to have a powerful God, instead of a jealous, petty, destructive one like Allah.

36 posted on 04/05/2011 9:08:52 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: PROCON

Obviously they know this about the Koran because God told them in Person.


37 posted on 04/05/2011 9:14:21 PM PDT by pankot
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To: UCANSEE2
Who did allah dictate the koran to if mohammud was dead for 150 years before it was written?
38 posted on 04/05/2011 9:19:23 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: PROCON

So has Chuck Todd converted to Islam if the Quran is “the word of God”?

If not, why hasn’t he? I would love to hear his response.


39 posted on 04/05/2011 9:20:48 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
If that's true, then the dictator certainly wasn't God.

Wasn't it the Angel Gabriel?

40 posted on 04/05/2011 9:24:02 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (The heresy of heresies was common sense - Orwell)
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To: PROCON

Chuck Todd and Mathews are most definitely Christian.

If they believe the Koran is the word of God “Why don’t they convert?”

Because they are intellectually flaccid with a rather large vacuous space between their ears. More over, they have someone counting cadence for them to breathe, lest they breakdown and asphyxiate.


41 posted on 04/05/2011 9:42:55 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Mike Darancette
"If that's true, then the dictator certainly wasn't God."

"Wasn't it the Angel Gabriel?"

No, it was the other angel.
The fallen one.
Lucifer.

42 posted on 04/05/2011 9:45:43 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: PROCON

The Left is just an example of a collective “Stockholm Syndrome”.

They love people who are trying to kill them.

It’s called insanity.


43 posted on 04/05/2011 9:45:50 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: Mike Darancette
The traditional account claims that the Koran was revealed to Muhammad, written down in bits, and not collated before Muhammad's death.

The Collection of the Koran (pp. 12-13)

'Uthman was caliph from 644-656. He was asked for an official codex by one of his generals because the troops were fighting over which reading of the Koran was correct. Zaid was once again commissioned, with the help of three others. But…

1. The Arabic of the Koran was not a dialect.
2. There are variations between the number and names of the people working with Zaid. (One version lists somebody already dead at that time!)
3. In these stories there is no mention of Zaid's involvement in an earlier rescension.

Most scholars assume that the 'Uthmanic rescension is correct and the Abu Bakr rescension is fictitious, but they have no valid reasons for preferring it over the latter, as the same reasons for dismissing the Abu Bakr story (biased, unreliable, late sources, attempts to credit the collector etc…) can be applied to the 'Uthman story as well.

One major (and often un-addressed) question is – how much can we rely upon the memories of the early Muslims? Can we assume that they not only remembered everything perfectly, but that they heard and understood Muhammad perfectly in the first place?

Variant Versions, Verses Missing, Verses Added (pp. 13-18)

Modern Muslims assert that the current Koran is identical to that recited by Muhammad. But earlier Muslims were more flexible. 'Uthman, A'isha, and Ibn Ka'b (among others) all insisted that much of the Koran had been lost.

Codices were made by different scholars (e.g. Ibn Mas'ud, Ubai ibn Ka'b, 'Ali, Abu Bakr, al-Aswad). 'Uthman's codex supposedly standardised the consonantal text, yet consonantal variations persisted into the 4th century AH. An unpointed and unvowelled script contributed to the problem. Also, although 'Uthman tried to destroy rival codices variant readings survived. Standardisation was not actually achieved until the 10th century under the influence of Ibn Mujahid. Even he admitted 14 versions of the Koran. These are not merely differences in recitation; they are actual written variations.

Also, if some verses were omitted, why couldn't some have been added? For example, the Kharajites considered the Joseph story to be an interpolation, and most scholars suggest the addition of scribal glosses designed to explain the text or smooth out rhyme.

Scepticism of the Sources (pp. 18-34)

Muhammad died in 632. The earliest written material of his life is the sira of Ibn Ishaq (750), but Ibn Ishaq's work was lost. We only have parts of it available in quotation by Ibn Hisham (834). The hadith are even later. There are six authoritative collections of hadith: Bukhari, Muslim, Ibn Maja, Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, and al-Nisai. All are dated between 200 and 300 years after Muhammad.

The compilation of the Koran is so muddled it is impossible for anyone to determine the truth of any single word of it. It was the product of a semi-illiterate man who desired power and invented a way to gain it. He knew just enough of the Jewish Scriptures to borrow some of his ideas from it. Typical tactic of the devil. He used what he made up to control people and those who refused to be controlled were beheaded. That so-called book has perpetrated the longest running scam ever on the deluded people of the Mid-East.

44 posted on 04/05/2011 10:09:02 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: WVNan

Oops sorry. Here’s the link for those who wish to read more.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/books/origins-koran.html


45 posted on 04/05/2011 10:10:48 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: PROCON
“Sobbing in the men's’ room.”

This is going immediately into Bartlett's Quotations

46 posted on 04/05/2011 10:32:22 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: FlyingEagle

“The Koran is the manifesto of an evil totalitarian political system. Check out what Ann has to say on these two wonderful videos linked at Gates of Vienna.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/04/manifesto-of-evil-totalitarian.html#more";

Thank you for the link,Ann is quite a American Woman!


47 posted on 04/05/2011 10:38:22 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date which will live in Infamy.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Much more than a favor my friend - I think Jones needs to be heard out.

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

48 posted on 04/05/2011 10:41:47 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: PROCON

Huston’s front row seat in hell is reserved...


49 posted on 04/05/2011 10:48:12 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: PROCON

Strange the videos are not loading anymore for me - are they still up?


50 posted on 04/05/2011 11:01:54 PM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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