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Republicans waive the white flag of surrender
http://toddkinsey.com/blog/2011/04/09/republicans-waive-the-white-flag-of-surrender/ ^

Posted on 04/09/2011 12:34:40 PM PDT by Todd Kinsey

Once again the Republican leadership caves and then tries to tell us they won. Just six weeks ago our mealy-mouthed leadership told us they were going to cut $100 billion from this year’s budget. A few short weeks later the gutless wonders leading our party reduced that number to $60 billiondollars. Then late last night the well tanned amoeba, John Boehner caved to the socialist-in-chief and settled on $38 billion.

Boehner has been tooting his own horn saying that this is the largest budget cut in history. Well of course it’s the largest cut in history, you fools in Congress have spent the last decade spending the taxpayer’s money like a crack addict. The fact is that $38 billion is only equal to one-percent of this years budget and doesn’t come anywhere close to covering this year’s projected $1.3 trillion deficit.

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Once again the geldings in the GOP cave.
1 posted on 04/09/2011 12:34:43 PM PDT by Todd Kinsey
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To: Todd Kinsey

So just how should they have handled it? Tell us what the winning strategy should have been?


2 posted on 04/09/2011 12:36:33 PM PDT by Silverfiddle (Stand With The Heroes, Fight The Zeroes!)
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To: Todd Kinsey
GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN ... Republicans beaten by a lie.
3 posted on 04/09/2011 12:36:46 PM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: Todd Kinsey
Republicans waive the white flag of surrender

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

4 posted on 04/09/2011 12:37:47 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: Todd Kinsey

Boehner os like a moon jellyfish,
No spine.
No confidence in the GOP leadership or dem lite.


5 posted on 04/09/2011 12:37:50 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Todd Kinsey

Since they “Waived” the white flag, does that mean you are saying they didn’t surrender?


6 posted on 04/09/2011 12:39:23 PM PDT by Silverfiddle (Stand With The Heroes, Fight The Zeroes!)
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To: Silverfiddle

We can beat the Rats with a war of a thousand cuts. Patience will get us where we need to go. This was the Rats time but the Ryan budget will be heard, fought and cutting will happen. We will win the Planned Abortionhood battle. The scam of the EPA and regulating carbon will be stopped. 2012 will be the Mayan end for the Rats and their leftist rule.


7 posted on 04/09/2011 12:41:23 PM PDT by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Todd Kinsey

Shallow.


8 posted on 04/09/2011 12:44:30 PM PDT by Minn
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To: shankbear
We can beat the Rats with a war of a thousand cuts. Patience will get us where we need to go

Yes! Finally, somebody gets it. Unfortunately, shankbear, that's two of us out of millions.

Die-hard conservatives thought that if I couldn't get everything I asked for, I should jump off the cliff with the flag flying-go down in flames. No, if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I'm trying to get ... I'll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future. -- Ronald Reagan

9 posted on 04/09/2011 12:46:09 PM PDT by Silverfiddle (Stand With The Heroes, Fight The Zeroes!)
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To: Silverfiddle

The winning strategy was to find some balls and brains and propose a balanced budget... you know, do their jobs.

The debt shot up by $54 billion in just the 8 days before they caved and cut a whole $38 billion. So we lost even more ground while playing tiddly-winks instead of fighting a war on irresponsible spending.


10 posted on 04/09/2011 12:49:59 PM PDT by EricT. (I'm going to start spending 68% more than I make- I hear it's the responsible thing to do..)
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To: Todd Kinsey

11 posted on 04/09/2011 12:53:38 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Vroomfondel

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.


But if he did mean what it meant and was accurate, it would be good news. Instead it merely indicates that writing is following the economy down the drain.


12 posted on 04/09/2011 12:53:52 PM PDT by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Silverfiddle

All very well, but for the next two years, the only way the Republicans can get ANYTHING is to put it on a budget bill or some other bill that HAS TO BE PASSED.

Otherwise the Senate can just derail it, or Obama can veto it.

No way now to defund Planned Parenthood, because it will just be blocked or vetoed. So, evidently we fund abortions and perversion of kids in our schools for at least another year.

Since this was an absolutely bottom line issue for the conservative base, and since they traded it in for something like a one percent cut in the annual deficit, I don’t think that’s much of an accomplishment.


13 posted on 04/09/2011 12:54:10 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: EricT.
Grant one the war by keeping at it. Union generals before that went home licking their wounds while the South regrouped. Grant and Sherman did not give them time to regroup and one the war.

The one who wins a war, usually does it by perseverance and smarter tactics, of which Obama is woefully deficient.

14 posted on 04/09/2011 12:54:15 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: Silverfiddle
So just how should they have handled it? Tell us what the winning strategy should have been?<

1. The GOP leadership should be there to fight the hard fights and come away as winners. 2. One basic thing I learned in business was to under-promise and over-deliver. The GOP has it backwards. They promise good things and then proceed to substantially under-deliver. Makes them look like weak jerks.

15 posted on 04/09/2011 12:55:23 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: EricT.

And just exactly how would you have proposed getting it passed in the Senate and then the President signing it.


16 posted on 04/09/2011 12:56:41 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Silverfiddle

Die-hard conservatives thought that if I couldn’t get €erything I asked for, I should jump off the cliff with the flag flying-go down in flames. No, if I can get 70 or 80 percent of what it is I’m trying to get ... I’ll take that and then continue to try to get the rest in the future. — Ronald Reagan


If one percent is 70 or 80 percent of what they were aiming for, that means that they were angling for between 1.45 and 1.25 percent. Tiddlywinks.


17 posted on 04/09/2011 12:58:20 PM PDT by Hieronymus (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Bailee
And just exactly how would you have proposed getting it passed in the Senate and then the President signing it.

You mean to tell me that you can't think of a way to beat them over their heads with wanting $1.5 Trillion deficits while proposing NO DEFICITS?

18 posted on 04/09/2011 12:58:42 PM PDT by EricT. (I'm going to start spending 68% more than I make- I hear it's the responsible thing to do..)
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To: Todd Kinsey

Vote out every incumbent. That is my vote for now on.


19 posted on 04/09/2011 1:00:23 PM PDT by hadaclueonce ("Endeavor to persevere.")
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To: Silverfiddle
So just how should they have handled it? Tell us what the winning strategy should have been?

I would have let the government shut down then gone on the offensive, letting everyone with a microphone and a pen know that the Commander in Chief cares more about Planned Parenthood than he does the brave men and women fighting and dying for their country. I would have replayed clips of Dems defending PP while saying the army is expendable then let the rage build. Instead we caved because our, ahem, fearless leaders didn't want to be seen as the blame for a budget that was supposed to be passed months before they won any elections.

20 posted on 04/09/2011 1:01:46 PM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Bailee

Most of the people on this page know that we have the presidency and the senate.

Whutswrongwitchu????????


21 posted on 04/09/2011 1:03:17 PM PDT by Carley (UNION AGITATORS, NO DIFFERENT THAN THE ARAB STREET. UGLY AND VIOLENT)
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To: Todd Kinsey

Go away.


22 posted on 04/09/2011 1:03:30 PM PDT by verity
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To: EricT.
Yes we can beat them over the head and even shut down the Govt till 2012. My Question was how do we get the democratic senators to sign. And then the Prez to sign.

If the Reps shut down the Govt till 2012. The Dems would have a Super majority in both houses when the dust settled.

Meanwhile while the Govt is “ShutDown” who pays the troops we have in harms way.

We have to take all we can get now and work on our own Super majority then we can force the Prez’s hands no matter their party. Lets not throw the baby out with the bath water because we did not get enough today.

23 posted on 04/09/2011 1:10:05 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Todd Kinsey
Once again the geldings in the GOP cave.

We didn't cave.....WE were surrendered, w/o cause.
*Disgust*....and we were told, "Work with / Trust Us"
the (Washington) Ruling Elitists, "screwed" US(A) again.


24 posted on 04/09/2011 1:10:18 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (You do not have to smear (Pharaoh / Imam) Obama w/ lies....the truth does a fine job. :)
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To: Cicero
All very well, but for the next two years, the only way the Republicans can get ANYTHING is to put it on a budget bill or some other bill that HAS TO BE PASSED.

I think this is how it works in 2012:

A. The budget for 2012 originates in the House and all appropriation bills originate in House.

B. If there is no funding in those appropriation bills for Planned Parenthood the bills sent to the Senate will be amended to add it in and then the House will asked to vote it in. It will be a replay of yesterday and I expect it to be repeated over and over as the 2012 budget is argued over.

Get out the popcorn. The show is just starting.

25 posted on 04/09/2011 1:15:22 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: shankbear

I agree. How many battles did we win during the Revolutionary war? I think every one was a loss or draw except the last, and Britain lost.

The Dem tactic is get what you can until next time take some more then some more than a little at a time so nobody notices. We want it all at once.

Bury your dead, reload, move on, confront, attrit. Think decades. This war will last more than 1 year. Think long. We get to vote again soon....


26 posted on 04/09/2011 1:25:09 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: InterceptPoint

Yes the real battle will be the 2012 budget.

This was to try and get rid of the 2011 CR “Continuing Resolution” because NO budget was Passed by the previous congress.

The part that worries me is Rep, Conservative Indies, and Tea party members are bitching and moaning about the size of the deficit reduction. Not enough or best we can do.

News Flash the DEMS and President still not have signed anything for the remaining part of the 2011 budget year.

A Govt shutdown is still possible.


27 posted on 04/09/2011 1:29:18 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: InterceptPoint
It.s not bleak . the fight does go on. Without the senate we can't pas much . In the defense of those who are extremely disappointed , we have to admit the Speaker was intimidate by reid and the Hags bleating on about killing women and such. The Pubs will never win the big fights with these pathetic spokespeople and the above the common fray bushie doosh bags that they now front with . The gezzers are weaker than that rodent reid , and that's saying something.
28 posted on 04/09/2011 1:30:02 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: Bailee
I am sick and tired of our side crapping on our Legislators and bitching and belly aching about any little thing that they perceive as not being strong enough from them.

When the hell have they ever served as even Mayors? They are getting blue ribbons for picking fly $hit out of pepper, and not much else.

This behavior makes me think of a Quarterback(Boehner) trying to run the team, and every time he does not get a touchdown every play, the peanut gallery is throwing all kinds of nasty stuff at him when he is trying to call the signals. This is childish behavior,and until you put your butt in that QB position and know the rules,regs,and all the ins and outs and players, and have been there and done that, you sound foolish and uninformed.

This is not child's play,and we are dealing with the crazy $#$%&^*(#$%^ Communistic left wing nuts.

29 posted on 04/09/2011 1:34:06 PM PDT by samantha (Sarah has our back,and we sure have hers.. America the Beautiful...)
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To: Todd Kinsey

“When confronted about this Boehner and his flunkies use the excuse that “we’re only one-half of one-third of the government.” Well Mr. Speaker, that’s about as weak an excuse as there is because the one-half of one-third that you control, just happens to control all the purse strings. In case you forgot, the House controls one hundred percent of the spending and taxing authority of the Federal Government.”

EXACTLY


30 posted on 04/09/2011 1:34:58 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: Todd Kinsey

As a “writer,” you should learn (know) the difference between waive and wave.


31 posted on 04/09/2011 1:37:23 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: Silverfiddle

Apparently.


32 posted on 04/09/2011 1:37:54 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: shankbear
The scam of the EPA and regulating carbon will be stopped. 2012 will be the Mayan end for the Rats and their leftist rule.

NO IT WON'T.. THE PATTERN IS SET..

Then they will whine and cave and then ask for our votes to get the senate and the White house or else they can not do anything..BS

This was nothing more than a political dance

33 posted on 04/09/2011 1:38:10 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: RnMomof7

“In case you forgot, the House controls one hundred percent of the spending and taxing authority of the Federal Government.”

But without IT passing in the Senate and being signed into law by the President. It is not worth the paper it is written on.

There in lies the problem no matter how much we want to cut the budget. The house is only 1/3 of the process needed.


34 posted on 04/09/2011 1:43:21 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: sr4402
The one who wins a war, usually does it by perseverance and smarter tactics, of which Obama is woefully deficient.

Loosing the war is how we got where we are today. The marxists have beat us like a drum since the sixties. The only lever of power we have is the national debt ceiling. Do you think the pubbies will play that card? Will our nation be better off destroying the welfare state now by destroying the government's ability to borrow or enslaving future generations to unending debt as is the marxists plan. I know what I would do. And if we had done it in 1995 we wouldn't have the existential problem we have now. As to their tactics...I urge you to consider that marxists own Academia, the courts, the senate, the whitehouse, the media, public schools, the federal bureaucracy, etc. They are incredibly good at what they do and frankly we are not.

35 posted on 04/09/2011 1:44:19 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Todd Kinsey
Like so many others, I'm not happy with this compromise that allows ObamaCare and Planned Parenthood funding to remain and cuts but a tiny fraction of the 2011 federal budget and not even the fraction (100 billion) that was the original goal. Watching Karl Rove and other GOP mouthpieces claim this was a winner for the Republicans is annoying. It was a weak compromise that didn't have to happen. Admittedly, the Democrats have a huge PR advantage with the media being their megaphone so it's hard for the Republicans to get the message out that the Democrats were going to hold the pay for our military personnel hostage because they wanted to protect Planned Parenthood and ObamaCare funding. That being the case, I can cut the Republicans some slack - but not much.

With the terrible economy Obama and the Democrats have generated and voter's obvious desire to see federal spending cut, this seems like an awful shallow 'victory'. The cry from right-wing commentators to 'wait until the 2012 budget/debt ceiling fight' sounds a bit optimistic considering that it was so difficult to get the little we got this time, but I'm willing to wait a few months before throwing up my hands and deciding that my country is screwed - and me along with it - because the Republicans simply don't have the will and/or the guts to call the Democrats bluff and stand firm on simple, obvious decisions, such as true spending reductions and no more funding of liberal Democrats pet projects, such as NPR and Planned Parenthood.

We need to find a few savvy, articulate and gutsy Representatives to take on the liberal media news shows and succinctly explain why the Democrats are killing the U.S. economy and why they must be stopped. We desperately need conservative voices to be heard. Voices that will parry with the obnoxious ABC, CBS, NBC news anchors and not wimp out or allow themselves to be made to look like idiots. In short: we need some tough politicians who, like Reagan, can smile and chuckle while cogently explaining the Republican position and it's basis while making leftist news interviewers and liberal Democrat mouthpieces look foolish for opposing common sense policies that most Americans would applaud, if they understood them. Right now, few do. As for the 2011 budget deal, to paraphrase King Pyrrhus, many more such 'victories' and the GOP will be undone.

36 posted on 04/09/2011 1:46:28 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Bailee
But without IT passing in the Senate and being signed into law by the President. It is not worth the paper it is written on.

Do you ever wonder how people who claim to revere the Constitution, can so consistently forget about something so basic as how a bill becomes law?

We all understand the desire to change things -- but it has to be done according the way our government works. And the political realities of how it works, are not entirely to our advantage right now.

37 posted on 04/09/2011 1:51:59 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: Todd Kinsey
You can stomp off to your room and pout if you want, but an all-or-nothing attitude will not prevail in the long run. I would liked to have had more, but this will do for a start.

The whitehouse really wanted a shut down, but they didn't get it. I would say that one point constitutes a victory.

38 posted on 04/09/2011 1:55:40 PM PDT by tbpiper
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To: shankbear

Sorry, if they buckled for a mere $38 billion the $Trillion cuts are a pipe dream. I know some are saying take what you can get, but we have heard that for 40 yrs. and we are not winning at the federal level. It’s like the election in November never happened. It’s late in the fourth quarter, we are losing and we just fumbled away the ball and those mythical future victories we are all supposed to be waiting for are going to be just that when the wheels come off the country.

Rep. Ryans budget will be disavowed by this time next year by the republican leadership because obama will be beating them over the head with it calling it reckless and them children and they will let him.

They should have shut it down and kept it down until hell froze over or the democrats caved, just exactly how did the shutdown hurt us in 96 at the congressional level. The republicans need to learn to fight back, it’s not like they don’t have options for getting their side out now unlike 1995.


39 posted on 04/09/2011 1:59:30 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: Todd Kinsey

The amount of money they were fighting over was the amount of money the federal government spends in 12 hours. This wasn’t a fight, it was show for TV and feeble minded people.


40 posted on 04/09/2011 2:01:55 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Bailee
There in lies the problem no matter how much we want to cut the budget. The house is only 1/3 of the process needed.

Wrong. All spending must start in the House. The Republicans control the House. They have 100% of the authority needed to stop funding of anything or everything. That our effete Republican "leadership" is too weak to use this power is the problem.

41 posted on 04/09/2011 2:05:05 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Bailee
There in lies the problem no matter how much we want to cut the budget. The house is only 1/3 of the process needed.

Maybe then they should not have made campaign promises they KNEW they could not keep. ...or maybe we should not have bothered to give it to them..maybe we should let the dems have it back if it is so unimportant

42 posted on 04/09/2011 2:17:57 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: Todd Kinsey

To those who say we take what we can get now and wait for the next elections to take over the Senate...

Our debt increases 4 billion per DAY (since 2007). Every day we wait makes things that much worse, for all of us.

Next, one assumes we take over the Senate in 2012. The chances of the GOP taking control of the White House or Senate is at best 50/50. What happens if we don’t take either, tread water for 2 or 4 more years?

We have no more money, and the GOP had the perfect chance to drive that point home, but Boehner caved. Since he caved this time, I think the chances are about 100% that he’ll cave on the debt limit and on the next budget. He doesn’t inspire confidence in me.

The GOP should have shut down the govt. and then go nationwide and tell us all what we don’t want to hear. With proper graphs and honest numbers, even some dems would begin to understand.

The time for patience is over. It’s time to let people know that the gravy train is gone, forever. EVERYONE is going to have to suffer, the rich and the poor, and programs will have to be cut, or eliminated, even the ones you like or benefit from. If that results in massive protests or riots, so be it, we’re not far from that as it is now. If the troops don’t get paid for a week, or a month, so be it, they enlisted so they’re stuck where they are.

We can keep hoping things get better or we can face reality. With a 55 trillion dollar debt, there is no possible way for things to continue as they have been. We need to cut the federal govt. at least 25%, cut the budget across the board at least that much, and let the chips fall where they may.

Let’s do it....for the children....


43 posted on 04/09/2011 2:19:19 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: Prokopton

Wrong only if you are proposing a total Government Shutdown. But that is a lose lose for the Conservatives in 2012 it will be a disaster. The Repubs cannot control the Press and even it they could the Majority of America would still blame them.

Every body wants the cuts as long as it effects someone else just dont touch mine. The Dems are masters at playing that song.


44 posted on 04/09/2011 2:22:53 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: tbpiper

You can stomp off to your room and pout if you want, but an all-or-nothing attitude will not prevail in the long run. I would liked to have had more, but this will do for a start.

The whitehouse really wanted a shut down, but they didn’t get it. I would say that one point constitutes a victory.

Aside from a pitiful $38 billion the white house and democrats got exactly what they wanted another bloated budget and the republicans got what out of this? The only ones happy with this turd are the RINO’s, that ought to tell you something.


45 posted on 04/09/2011 2:25:47 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: Bailee

That’s your version of events that haven’t happened.

The Republicans have the high ground on this the whole way, but they still pu$$ed out.


46 posted on 04/09/2011 2:26:28 PM PDT by EricT. (I'm going to start spending 68% more than I make- I hear it's the responsible thing to do..)
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To: Bailee
The Repubs cannot control the Press and even it they could the Majority of America would still blame them.

This fear of being blamed is exactly why weaklings like Crybaby Boehner cringe before the Dems. You can't lead by fear. If we don't get a real leader soon who will not cower before the MSM and the Dems, there is little hope for change.

47 posted on 04/09/2011 2:37:17 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: EricT.

Call if my lack of confidence in the Last 2 gimmie generations. My belief is if the Republican go Nuclear with a shutdown now we will just hand them back everything with interest in 2012.

Rather work on our own majority then we can force the issue after 2012. But the hour is definitely getting very late.


48 posted on 04/09/2011 2:40:54 PM PDT by Bailee
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To: Todd Kinsey

That is absurd. He did not cave and the democrats lost.


49 posted on 04/09/2011 2:47:28 PM PDT by nolib1776
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To: Prokopton

That we agree on. Not seeing anyone stepping up plate either.


50 posted on 04/09/2011 2:59:09 PM PDT by Bailee
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