Posted on 04/10/2011 12:34:43 PM PDT by bkopto
I don’t know why this issue was raised again, but it was debunked earlier this month. The reason there are death reports in HI and CA is that he died in CA but the SS system reports the last residence they had on file for him. So he moved from Hawaii back to CA, perhaps to spend his remaining days with family or in a nursing home. Who knows? Bottom line: He didn’t have the same SS# that Obama uses, so it doesn’t matter where he died. There are probably many more men who were born in 1890 and got a SS# in CT. This is a red herring.
I do not subscribe to the Ludwig thing, but on the other hand I do not generally like coincidences.
I do not subscribe to the Ludwig thing, but on the other hand I do not generally like coincidences.
Your post is correct. Ludwig’s SS # is 045-26-8722. Obama’s starts with 042.
He didn’t have the same SS# that Obama uses.
So I think we can safely eliminate the two census record data I posted for John P. Ludwig, wife Florence and the divorce record for now. If I've made a mistake, I don't want it replicated.
However, the WWII draft record is for John Paul Ludwig and there is a Florence on that. The name is given as John Paul Ludwig, but when you look at the signature, it is clearly Jean Paul Ludwig.
There appear to be many persons named John Ludwig in various data bases.
Your #201. Yes, I think it was a complete waste of time unless his SSN is somehow associated with anyone else, and I haven’t seen any convincing evidence of that.
Orly Taitz also posted this circa 2008/early 2009:
But for Obama’s mother alone, we’ve found:
Stanley Ann Dunham (maiden)
Anna Dunham (her friends called her Anna)
Anna Obama (found in Washington state phonebooks after she supposedly got married to Obama Sr)
Stanley Ann D. Obama (1964 Divorce)
Ann Soetoro (in several quotes in that timeframe when married to Lolo)
Stanley Ann Soetoro (1980 Divorce)
Stanley Ann Dunham Sutoro (1991 tax lien image & 1991 tax lien records)
Ann Dunham Sotoro (Dissertation)
S. Ann Dunham (Dissertation)
I remember someone at a WH briefing had asked : How come the Prez has a CT SS#? But of course that ques was ignored.
I don’t know how much of this is true but after reading this I have a theory. Maybe Ann Dunham had the baby overseas, since she had an anthropological obsession about having half-foreign babies in foreign lands. Maybe Ann came back days after giving birth, recognized the benefits of having an American child and asked her family to put that announcement. Its possible she didnt want to do the paperwork for certifying the baby as foreign born or giving out too much of her own or her “husband’s” information in such forms. Maybe Barack senior was not as up and up as the businessman Lolo Soetero (whose kid she did certify as foreign born) so she decided not to go that route. This could have started a chain of events where SS# obtainment became an issue for the kid all his life. Maybe she tried to give some identity to her kid by having him legally adopted by Soetero. If Soetero did that, he would become a Indonesian subject. It is possible he switched between two identities, one of Lolo Soetero’s adopted son Barry and the original Barack with the birth announcement to secure his rights here. Maybe he travled to Pakstan with the Soetero identity they would let an Indonesian subject (other muslim country) there with no problems. I am sure he would have had to get permission to go to Pakstan with his U.S. identity. But the thought that comes to mind is that even if he were born in Hawaii, if he had been adopted by his stepfather Soetero and assumed an identity in Indonesia how would that affect him. He would have still had his old SS # . He would not have to scramble for it. This is why the birth argument sounds stronger than the Indonesian adoption argument. Based on the SS # and the cloud surrounding it there was an issue with birth documents to where he could not obtain a SS # through normal means. One can write a book about this. LOL.
As far as Hillary goes, I think she had an inkling about this but backed out because there would be an intense backlash from the African American community if she pursued this (they would never forgive her for ruining the chances of the first African American Prez) and Bill who curried that community for a living for decades couldn’t risk the wrath. This is why Hillary didn’t pursue this. Her reluctance should not be taken as any proof . Please! Hillary, as usual,had her self-interest in this.
Apparently he does not want to answer the questions???
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2702977/posts?page=24#24
(Mar. 8, 2010)
Here’s an item you might find of interest. bttt
Are there multiple records of Obama’s Selective Service registration?
TWO DIFFERENT DLN NUMBERS AND DATE STAMP INCONSISTENT WITH CONTEMPORANEOUS SS REGISTRATIONS
http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/03/08/are-there-multiple-records-of-obamas-selective-service-registration/
by Sharon Rondeau
Thanks justiceseeker93.
Can you say Karma? What goes around, comes around and the longer it takes to catch up with you the worse it is.
Take second look at that article you referenced. Number one the writer refers to the subject as Obama...nowhere...nowhere in there does it state that he was known at that time as Barack or Obama rather than Barry Sotero. You are reading into that something that you want to see or you want others to see. That is not there. Number two, that article was clearly written by a professional writer with all the proper fluff and prose. It certainly has the appearance of a piece that someone was paid to write. coincidence? If your conclusion is yes, you should be searching for bigfoot.
Take a look at the picture. There are names associated with it. The name associated with the black guy is "Barry Obama." So, yes, it does state that he was known at that time as Obama. All of it might be fraudulent, I concede. I just don't think it is. It was produced at a time when no one was looking for any sort of verification that Obama was Obama, and it contains quite a bit of information that could easily be contradicted by someone who has that same yearbook. Surely one of those kids is a Republican now!
As for this being well written, I didn't make that judgment. But the writer is identified as a "novelist."
ML/NJ
“Do you have any sources and/or links for your allegations?”
In the beginning of the article, it says that the source is an ex-IRS investigator. Whether it’s all true or not is anybody’s guess. I’m betting that about 90% of it is, though.
I’ve had my morning coffee and was hoping for cheerful news. You did not make my day. I guess I’ll just have to keep plugging along to get where I want to go.
The "real" reason for his flying trip to HI before she died was he had to resolve the issue of the HI officials refusing to certify his qualifications. They met and Pelosi certified for the HI officials.
Name: Jean Paul Ludwig
[Gene Ludwig]
Social Security #: 045268722
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1890
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 19 Jun 1981
Death Place: San Luis Obispo
Mother’s Maiden Name: Salome
That last post to you was the same man and ssn but died in Califormia. Also have same man listed as died in Hi.
Both show Social Security #: 045268722
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