Skip to comments.Italian Historian Says Homosexuality Destroyed Rome ZOT!
Posted on 04/10/2011 1:29:58 PM PDT by 0beron
Editor: They've done quite a job on the Catholic Church already.
Does anyone remember when Richard Nixon discussed one of the redeeming features of the Soviet Union as being its antipathy of homosexuals when he was talking in his office about Archie Bunker, said exactly the same thing? [Warning, fowl language, blasphemy] At first he starts demurring, saying he has no moral objections to homosexuality, then goes on to say that the immorality actually destroys societies. It's also interesting that Nixon's off-color comments are made much of when figures like Gandhi and Voltaire get away with it. Of course, apologists for Richard Nixon won't defend what Nixon was saying, they'll just argue that times, and morals, have changed, and if you know anything about principles, it's an indefensible position to take, but anyway.
Of course, never mind Richard Nixon, despite the fact that he's correct. Let another voice speak by way of a message from Bminormass on 'www.fisheaters.com", who said in his book, "Life is Worth Living" on P. 260, where he quotes the sociologist, Dr. Sorokin, who said:
(Excerpt) Read more at eponymousflower.blogspot.com ...
Homosexual activists in the White House...
And in other late breaking news, water is still wet, ice is still cold and Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead......
Fowl language? Like, "cluck you"? Sounds cheep and tawdry.
BTW, not clicking on your blob. If there was something worth posting, I figure you would have posted it.
Homosexuals that are like the ones in Rome are just part of a large group that kills all society. They large group is liberals.
Oh, thanks Larry.
Probably like your attempts to sound funny, Larry.
Yep, it’s a serious problem actually. Nixon certainly believed it was a serious problem and I agree with him.
Yes, yes. But what can be expected when actual history and classical philosophy are no longer taught? Almost no one in academia today continues to make the logical connections that were made for centuries in universities throughout the world.
I’m so glad an actual historian has shared this info with the world, and I’m shocked, I tell you... SHOCKED! I did not know that before. /s/
It’s another side of the demoralization of the target society, and this is by design
Try making a coherent argument to certain types of people about why immorality is objectively evil or why objective truth itself is important, and they really have no idea what you’re talking about and have been vitiated in many cases by years of dissolute living, watching bad television and so forth so that their hearts and minds are pretty much calcified.
People have been saying it for years, it’s just that they do it in private because they’re afraid of getting pilloried for saying it.
I’m expecting that Prof. Matthei will not recant his statement.
This appears to be your blog (it is the only site you post from).
What is hindering you from posting the whole article?
In need of blog hits?
yeah, that’s it.
You’re probably just a homosexual who doesn’t like the content. Just a wild guess.
Two legged plague rats.
An indeterminate name for an indeterminate group of people who were migrating in different parts of the Empire at the time. Some of them were certainly German speakers, but not all as the records were shaky.
Actually, there were factors underlying the fact that large numbers of Germans were crossing the borders to serve in the Roman Army and provide a cheap source of labor, since the birthrate in the Empire was dropping, inexplicably, say some.
I’m sure everyone who ever pointed out something you did wrong is a homosexual. ;-)
Indeed, I suspect that sexual perversion played a role in the decline of fertility, as you can see in our own population, women having trouble giving birth because of STDs.
Why didn’t you just post the entire contents according to forum guidelines? Then you wouldn’t have to call good FReepers names (which is also against forum guidelines?)
Maybe you’re just pimping your blog? Did you know that, amazingly enough, is against forum guidelines, too?
Hmmmm........ what say you?
Do you also have a problem with the content, Paul? I merely made a gratuitous supposition in the face of the gratuitous assertions of others. Not sure how you get “namecalling” out of that.
Italian Historian Says Homosexuality Destroyed Rome
Editor: They’ve done quite a job on the Catholic Church already.
Does anyone remember when Richard Nixon discussed one of the redeeming features of the Soviet Union as being its antipathy of homosexuals when he was talking in his office about Archie Bunker, said exactly the same thing? [Warning, fowl language, blasphemy] At first he starts demurring, saying he has no moral objections to homosexuality, then goes on to say that the immorality actually destroys societies. It’s also interesting that Nixon’s off-color comments are made much of when figures like Gandhi and Voltaire get away with it. Of course, apologists for Richard Nixon won’t defend what Nixon was saying, they’ll just argue that times, and morals, have changed, and if you know anything about principles, it’s an indefensible position to take, but anyway.
Of course, never mind Richard Nixon, despite the fact that he’s correct. Let another voice speak by way of a message from Bminormass on ‘www.fisheaters.com”, who said in his book, “Life is Worth Living” on P. 260, where he quotes the sociologist, Dr. Sorokin, who said:
‘’Those families among us who frequently change husbands and wives, who fail in their duties to their children and adopt the moral code of the gutter, are pushing us along the road to chaos. Greece, in the 3rd and the 2nd centuries before Christ, brought sex into the open. We know because there were men in those days too, who prided themselves on their objectivity as they calmly recorded the destressing picture of whole families getting together to indulge in promiscuous behaviour. Adultery and prostitution were so common that those who indulged were regarded merely as interesting fellows.
But, such a society was not able to summon the backbone to resist in the face of war , or to endure the austerity programme that might have salvaged that overblown economy. Soon, the glory that was Greece was over and the mighty Acropolis was only a hillside strewn with ruined marble.’’
Roberto de Mathei is a Traditionalist Catholic and was in the news earlier this week when he was critical of the current Pope and Vatican II as reported by Sandro Magister. He has also blamed the disasters besetting Japan on the wrath of God.
More recently, the Vice President of Italy’s National Research Council, has angered many Italians for comments they consider to be insensitive, namely, blaming Rome’s fall on the collapse of its morals and infestation by homosexuality. According to the article by the Telegraph, more than 7,000 people have signed a petition asking for his resignation.
Various Catholophobic voices spread their hate filled opinions for all who would listen.
“His homophobic and extreme views are offensive to the organisation he leads,” said Massimo Donadi, a senior member of an opposition party, Italy of Values, adding that he would refer the affair to parliament.
Anna Paola Concia, an MP from the main opposition Democratic Party, said: “A fanatic such as him cannot remain vice-president of the council in a country that has at its heart culture, human rights and respect for diversity. He is nothing other than a homophobic fundamentalist on a par with Iran’s president, Ahmadinejad.” Prof De Mattei, who was awarded an order of knighthood by the Vatican in recognition for his service to the Catholic Church, has previously caused controversy by speaking out about gay rights, the contraceptive pill and the alleged persecution of Christians by Muslims in Kosovo and Lebanon.
Thanks for posting the full content! :-)
It’s a pity that he did not elaborate, because it would have raised a very interesting subject. Not homosexuals, but eunuchs, were by far more destructive and dangerous to a nation.
In those empires that employed them, eunuchs seemed to be the perfect bureaucrat. And to some extent that was correct. However, all soon realized that eunuchs should never be given real power, because power is “their coin”. Without sex, their lust is for power, and if they see it, they will work unceasingly to get it.
While homosexuals were always “there”, they were also subject to similar demands from sex. If anything, more so, because they were rarely satisfied with monogamy, having no reason to be.
But their actual impact is difficult to divine, because there was less of a dividing line. As the saying went: “Women for children, but boys for pleasure.”
You should at least get your story right before you get it straight, no pun intended. I did not call him a homosexual, I merely suggested it as a possibility, given his gratuitous attacks on me personally.
He called me a “pimp”. Now I don’t know which one is more offensive, but I’m through discussing the matter.
Have a nice day.
And calling people “pimps” is what, the height of courtesy?
You have a nice day too.
“Y’dont say, love. Now pass us the lard.”
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Should have been:
Don’t believe me? Ask Rahmbo or Larry Sinclair.
Eunuchs were used well into the Byzantine period and later, but they weren’t particularly numerous. They may have played a role in corruption, but the issue is really dealing with homosexuality and immorality, which does have a marked influence on a society on all levels and was remarked upon by contemporaries in Periclean Athens, for example, and by St. Augustine in his Confessions.
You’ll also notice Nixon’s point just after Archbishop Sheen’s. They’re all making the same argument for immorality, and homosexuality, as the source of the decline. of course, there’s also Sodom and Gomorrah...
You clearly have a problem with the content. Your false accusations and insulting verbiage don’t really do whatever it is you’re trying to say much credit.
You’re violating your own forum rules there.
Ahem. Post #39 is all Jim Robinson’s words, not mine. Take up your disagreement with him if you dare.
I’ve been posting here before and the question was dealth with before by the management. As far as I understood there was no problem.
You keep harassing me if you wish, but after your frankly infantile yammering, I’m not interested in talking to you.
I left high school a long time ago and I recognize it for what it is, and I’m fairly certain that you’re derailing the thread because you actually object to the content.
If I’m incorrect in that admittedly gratuitous assertion, then I’ll at least apologize to you, though you don’t deserve one.
Your incivility is remarkable.
At the same time, though, I can’t but think that homosexuals were more a symptom than a cause.
The best evidence of this is that at its height, there would have been at least some homogeneity (no pun, really), throughout the major centers of the Roman Empire. But it was a thousand years after the collapse of the western empire that the eastern, Byzantine empire folded.
Far more geographic oriented, with the western empire under pressure from the barbarians.
I think the professor is making a bold claim to throw the gauntlet down, but I agree with your assessment; they’re one factor out of many.
So posting Jim Rob's words to you is harassment? Who knew?
Im fairly certain that youre derailing the thread because you actually object to the content.
Trying to call me gay....again?
Your incivility is remarkable.
MY incivility? ROFL!
The Barbarians were always a factor in Roman history, it’s just that she was always better equipped in terms of manpower to field an effective military and social response, but by the time we’re talking about, owing to the decay of the societies morality, so say Nixon, +Sheen and other historians, they were incapable of keeping the political integrity of the Empire intact as it was before, and the outer borders deteriorated.
It’s like a disease which attacks the structure of the bones, eventually, the mass of the body itself is insupportable because of the decay.
First, DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis is a she. So if she likes guys, it’s fine with me.
Second, you’ve been asked why you don’t post your whole blob. Do you have something worth saying? I don’t know, but you think you do. Why not actually post it? Are you trying to contribute, or divert traffic for blob hits? If it’s the latter, I consider you a user, not a contributor.