Posted on 04/11/2011 7:51:03 AM PDT by Davy Buck
"The fact that it is acceptable to put a Confederate flag on a car *bumper and to portray Confederates as brave and gallant defenders of states’ rights rather than as traitors and defenders of slavery is a testament to 150 years of history written by the losers." - Ohio State Professer Steven Conn in a recent piece at History News Network (No, I'll not difnigy his bitterness by providing a link)
This sounds like sour grapes to me. Were it not for the "losers" . . .
(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...
Just your job to make things up as you go along. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Please continue.
Something I have trouble understanding is why so many Irish fought for the North. After escaping the tyranny of the English, you'd think they'd flock to the southern banner.
My best guess is this; the Irish faced massive discrimination and hatred from the native yankess, and were desperate to prove their worth and mettle to their adopted nation.
My own ancestor, Patrick Slain, was in the Union Cavalry. I just hope he never killed a southernor.
"A republic if you can keep it"
B. Franklin
Secession is clearly legal. The issue is whether the tyrant in our White House will respect the law and the Constitution or just impose his will on free people. If we are unable to reverse the evil of these past few years and TX or a few other states choose to leave, I'll go with them. Socialism is not acceptable, and ObamaCare will be dismantled along with the oversized federal government or Atlas will shrug.
But the colonists themselves never saw themselves as sovereigns. They didn’t even think they had the “rights of Englishmen.” (”If this be treason, let us make the most of it”).
Read up on Shermans’s March, The Reconstruction and Carpet baggers and you will understand how the bitterness lingers.
Yes, the rebels of 1776 are recorded as saying those quotes and acknowledging their status as “traitors” to King George and England. I found it interesting you would characterize Lincoln as second-best to an acknowledged traitor. It just seems that pejorative language fails to take context into account.
BTW, I am working through some of your books. I’m going to have to skip ahead to the Civil War section so I can better understand your point of view in this matter.
You're right. Union and Confederate vets held national reunion encampments together until the vets were so old they couldn't make the journey anymore. I don't remember any outcries against the CSA during the commemoration years for the 100th anniversary of the war. I think the demonization escalated in the late 60's with Dr. King's assassination, and in the early 70's, helped by big-mouths like Sharpton and Jackson, the growth of black power, the organization of the Black Panthers, and the increased militancy of the Nation of Islam. I also believe that the radical left, the anti-war crowd, and others helped to create the intolerant atmosphere that has been part and parcel of this country since that time.
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Secession is neither legal or illegal. The USC is totally silent(Still after all these years and a Civil War) on the subject. The right to leave the Union is not something can or should be codified, it is unspoken natural right.
IMO each state should have to vote EVERY YEAR to stay in the Union, the default would be sovereignty.
Good. thanks for reading these.
The liberals are rubbing their hands over this. I’m not a Northerner or Southerner. Believe my ancestors weren’t yet run out of their home countries by then. Love the South, but that slavery thing was kind of a problem. Love the North, but I believe they were fighting more to keep wages from falling than they were fighting to free the blacks. Let the gallant Soldiers from both sides rest in peace. Our fight today is with the liberals.
The 10th Amendment makes that natural right a legal right. We just need the power to protect that right in the fact of opposition from the thug in our White House.
fellas, before adding any more ‘lincoln was great’, ‘the war was about slavery’, etc. nonsense, i’ll throw ya all a bone:
America’s Caesar by Greg Loren Durand.
Volume 1 is Lincoln. Volume 2 is Reconstruction to present day. Buy both volumes and read (best $30 you’ll ever spend).
It’s a big effort (1000+ pages) but worth it, especially since half the book is original texts such as congressional speeches, presidential letters, etc. It was tough to get through some parts for a PA boy like myself, but I doubt I’ve learned more from a single text before.
If nothing else, you won’t waste any more time asking for quotes and parading your ignorance on the FR boards.
I suspect we'll still have to ask about the non-existent quotes when people post about them.
Before insulting people you may want to actually post exactly what you think the war was about. Maybe offer an opinion or two. I never said anything about Lincoln.
Anyone historian worth his salt knows exactly what the war was about, even Shelby Foote, a southerner. States rights? Bullshit. There was only ONE states right at issue. Slavery. Period. End of story.
That is a non-sequitur....
Consider that WE KNOW how to make IEDs, Obama's police army has spent years pissing everyone off, overweight, lazy federal workers, and union school teachers make poor troops...
Walter Williams' list of Obama voters does not create concern. Poofters, college professors, college educated women, somehow, that's not a military friendly manpower pool. He's got gang-bangers, but I've yet to see one win a gunfight with anyone who knows how to shoot or outside of a range of 15 feet...
I'm going to go with "CW2 is going to be short, and bloody to a degree that staggers. No prisoners."
If so then by all means feel free to help CodeToad out with that Lincoln quote he claims exists. I'm sure he won't mind.
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