Posted on 04/13/2011 10:01:24 AM PDT by maggiesnotebook
This is silly. All that happened is that a hospital required that the $300,000 a year no-show job they were offering be filled by a senator’s spouse that wasn’t an active attorney.
BOR is a Democrat and always has been.
Fair and Balanced
means that he will balance facts detrimental to the Democrat cause
with Falsehoods that serve it better.
Put it to bed?
Hardly. Their responses were inaccurate, to say the least. Court ordered inactive is not voluntary inactive. How did she practice law for a hospital with no license? What other training did she have? Certainly not medical.
Obama did not graduate Occidential with honors. How’d he get into HLS? He was a guest lecturer not a professor. He wrote onto harvard Law Review — a paper, like his grades, never made public. He was elected president of the law revew. There was another black law review president prior to Obama, so even that part of his story is a lie.
“This is old news. We already know xyz.”
That’s the new party line. Instead of answering real questions say, “Old hat!”
Ping............
Another 0B0R0 idiocy. What an ignoramus and a coward to boot!
Thank you, Hotlanta Mike.
I heard that last night and almost punched the TV! I swear, he must make up his own facts.
Wrong. The court didn't "order" anything. The search report, linked to in the body of the title post as well as in my post, quite clearly says "voluntary inactive". It's fallacious to claim that the court ordered anything with regard to this topic.
"How did she practice law for a hospital with no license?"
She didn't "practice law" for a hospital. She worked in an administrative position. Obama only practiced law for a short time, a few years at Sidley & Austin, after graduating from law school.
I graduated from law school about 7 years before she did. I'd estimate that over half of the women in my law school class weren't practicing 10-years after graduating. It's VERY common for female law school grads.
"Obama did not graduate Occidential with honors. How’d he get into HLS?"
He's black. They have racial quotas to meet. It's not complicated.
"He wrote onto harvard Law Review — a paper, like his grades, never made public."
This sentence doesn't make any sense. Do you know what a Law Review is? It's published PUBLICLY. That's the point of having a Law Review periodical.
"He was elected president of the law revew. There was another black law review president prior to Obama, so even that part of his story is a lie."
I have no idea what you're talking about here. Yes, he was elected as editor of the Harvard Law Review, as all law review editors are elected. What part is a lie?
I remember much of this way back when. Then both their online records changed. Scrubba dub dub.
It’s all about the Rule that categorizes the action.
Maybe. But it still begs the question why would someone ‘voluntarily’ give up a $100,000+ Ivy League legal education? I remember MO complaining on the campaign trail that Barak and her were still paying off their law school loans. Personally, I think that’s BS as I believe she was trying to gain some cred and be one with the little sheeple.
The Volkokh Conspiracy simply confirms that she is voluntarily inactive, which is true, and which I did not dispute. As I said before, the Rule an action is performed under, explains whether the action was disciplinary, or general. There is a big difference.
Maybe not so silly, unless you have inside information. If it happened as you say, she still went inactive under a Rule that no one would choose, and why wouldn’t she have been given the opportunity to go inactive as everyone else does who simply drops out?
No, not to anyone who's actually worked in the profession, it doesn't. I graduated from a law school that was/is commensurately priced with Harvard, and yet plenty of women who have graduated from that law school have then gone on to surrender their license. Why? Most choose mommyhood, others go into other fields where they don't need the burden of maintaining their license (as do many men, too). You may not realize this, but maintaining your law license doesn't just entail sending a check every year. There are continuing education requirements.
Also, and this is true of both male and female attorneys, after the first 5-7 years of private practice, it becomes pretty clear if you're on the path to partner. If you're not, you might want to reevaluate because there's a reasonable chance you can make more (or the same) money outside the field and work MUCH fewer hours. In any event, it seems she did reevaluate. She became, I believe, a mayor's aid or something before she surrendered her license.
"I remember MO complaining on the campaign trail that Barak and her were still paying off their law school loans."
Again, if you went to and paid for law school, this would be entirely believable. The last ABA report I've seen, a year or so again, stated that the average law school cost is $87K. Initially, you have 10-years to pay that back, but unless you're working for a great firm and are deeply valued, or you've entered an LRAP or some other alternative repayment/forgiveness program, MOST people end up refinancing that original number, plus fees and interest for 30-years. That's just the practical reality today.
It’s almost like he’s muddying the waters on purpose.
Michelle worked for Sidley Austin after graduation. There are differing reports that she went inactive in 1993 and 2004. The changes at the ARDC began in 2004.
She went to work for Mayor Daley in 1991 - great opportunity for a community organizer. In 1996 she moved to University of Chicago. The rest is history.
Is what someone would say if they didn't have a clue.
It's quite simple. She voluntarily surrendered her license, and took voluntary inactive status. She has NO DISCIPLINARY record of any kind. Period.
If she did have any disciplinary record - even a record that was settled with her surrendering her license - it would quite plainly show up on that disciplinary record search. It doesn't.
This babbling about rules, and court orders and whatnot is facially absurd. If there was a court order, the order would be listed in her disciplinary record. Period.
Your argument is, as best I can tell, Illinois (as states do) made changes to their bar regulations, and from that you glean some grand conspiracy to obfuscate Michelle Obama's nefarious law license surrender. It's ridiculous.
The fact that IL changed the order and the number of the rules some 15 or so years AFTER she surrendered her license is irrelevant to the fact that she voluntarily surrendered her license. Finally, do you admit that Pamela Geller's assertion about the "disciplinary record" is wholly inaccurate?
Michelle is on “court ordered inactive status.” A person could go inactive, pay $105/yr, whether “court ordered,” or voluntary. That license can be restored, and if any disciplinary action was pending, which had never been heard or settled, would likely not show up on the disciplinary records since the matter was not settled. However, if that person petitions to have the license restored, there must be a hearing first. The Rule does make a difference.
The Rule changes 11 years after she went inactive could have had been done because Barack was entering the U.S. Senate. I don’t know that to be the case, but there has been web-scrubbing for some reason.
First, when a state supreme court strips someone of their law license (or any professional license), there's a public record of it. Because of public interest concerns, those kinds of court proceedings cannot be sealed and no, they're not "scrubbed".
So, no Maggie, she's not on "court ordered inactive status". How do I know? Because if she was "ordered" to inactive status, it wouldn't be "voluntary" it would be involuntary. And, there WOULD be a record of it on the page that I've linked to, the same page that Gellar screen-captured. There isn't.
If she agreed to alternative disposition, like surrender in lieu of a hearing, then THAT would be recorded as well. How would it be recorded, at minimum, it would be recorded as "complaint discharged", or perhaps even "complaint dismissed". Do you see ANY complaint(s) listed for Michelle Obama? Any? No, you don't.
Here is a list of ALL the possible dispositions for a law license. Michelle Obama's record reflects absolutely no disposition whatsoever, and states unequivocally...
Public Record of Discipline
and Pending Proceedings: Noneemphasis added
You keep harping on this "rule" michigas. It's MEANINGLESS. I'm sorry you can't see the forest through the (apparently) confusing trees.
"That license can be restored, and if any disciplinary action was pending, which had never been heard or settled, would likely not show up on the disciplinary records since the matter was not settled."
No Maggie. That's not how it works. There would be a complaint FIRST. That complaint would be recorded, publicly, and then that complaint would have to be disposed of in some way. Read rule 753.
By the way, this is a list of all the current rules in the state of Illinois, and their amendments since 2001. Look at how many times these rules have been amended in just those ten years alone. Were all those changes made to protect Barack Obama and his wife?
He’s what he detests...a blowhard!
Love the graphic, Phil!
He’s also a jerk.
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