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Dutch consider banning religious animal slaughter
The Constitution Club ^ | 04-13-11 | Hal Jordan

Posted on 04/13/2011 7:19:38 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen

It’s amazing some of the things you can learn from Twitter. This headline showed up, I clicked the link, and I learned that kosher and halal aren’t just about a religious figure blessing the food. It’s about taking a sharp knife and slashing open an animal’s veins and then watching it die while spurting blood everywhere. NOTE: the following is what passes for “fair and balanced” reporting in Europe:

"AMSTERDAM – One of Europe’s first countries to allow Jews to practice their religion openly may soon pass a law banning centuries-old Jewish and Muslim traditions on the ritual slaughter of animals.

In the Netherlands, an unlikely alliance of an animal rights party and the xenophobic Freedom Party is spearheading support for the ban on kosher and halal slaughter methods that critics say inflict unacceptable suffering on animals.

The far right’s embrace of the bill, which is expected to go to a parliamentary vote this month, is based mostly on its strident hostility toward the Dutch Muslim population. The Party for the Animals, the world’s first such party to be elected to parliament, says humane treatment of animals trumps traditions of tolerance."

The Dutch have some real problems with some of the things the Muslims are doing in their country, like having a film director shot to death with a note attached to him by a knife stabbed into his chest. Apparently it’s a problem for ladies to walk down the street with their hair uncovered, because they’re assaulted by roving bands of Muslim youngsters. The country prides itself on being tolerant, but apparently dictating to your citizens that they have to tolerate everything can cause a backlash. Anyway, along with the knife-slashing, I didn’t know about this, either:

"If the Netherlands does outlaw procedures that make meat kosher for Jews or halal for Muslims, it will be the first country outside New Zealand to do so in recent years. It will join the Scandinavian, Baltic countries and Switzerland, whose bans are mostly traceable to pre-World War II anti-Semitism."

I’m not a PETA member, but I do have a soft spot in my heart for animals and an enormous hatred for people who mistreat them, so I agree with this legislation. I don’t care what your religion is; you can’t torture animals to death and then hide behind freedom of religion. Try a compromise: stick your religious guy in the slaughterhouse and have him make a couple of symbolic ritual incisions on the cow’s neck with a magic marker. If you don’t like the new law, then consider becoming a vegetarian.


TOPICS: Government; Pets/Animals; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: animals; dutch; ritual; slaughter

1 posted on 04/13/2011 7:19:41 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

I’ve heard stories of people going to visit their co-workers and friends from Somalia who live in my city.

On more than one occasion they’ve told of stories where they went to use the bathroom and saw a recently slaughtered lamb in the bathtub.


2 posted on 04/13/2011 7:23:10 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
The Bible dictates no method in which to slaughter animals. The methods come from the Talmud which is suppose to record the oral tradition which was given to Moses at the same time as the written law.

Yet even with this it would seem decapitation would be allowed, as it cuts the jugulars and carotids in one smooth motion.

3 posted on 04/13/2011 7:25:36 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: LukeL

A well delivered arrow works the best...


4 posted on 04/13/2011 7:29:26 PM PDT by waterhill (Little 'r' republican: taker of the Founder's 'Red Pill'...www.mikechurch.com)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

If they do it for food, is ot okay then?


5 posted on 04/13/2011 7:30:11 PM PDT by freepguy
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To: tsowellfan

I once lived in a Hispanic neighborhood and I noticed that around Easter my neighbors had a small lamb tied up in their garage that disappeared shortly thereafter. Presumably they were Christian, most likely Catholic.


6 posted on 04/13/2011 7:32:47 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: wideminded
You can count on young goats and sheep being slaughtered some time in the Spring by just about all the Orthodox groups.
7 posted on 04/13/2011 7:44:07 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: wideminded

I grew up in northern New Mexico where it was a normal thing to slaughter a pig or cow every so often. And they ate every bit of that sucker. Eye balls, testicles, tounge, blood pudding, deep fried fat that they called chicharones. It was funny to them to see the little white kid from the city (me) watching all this with his mouth open.

Man I’m glad I finally got out of there!

Alcalde, NM: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=alcalde+new+mexico&rlz=1R2GZEU_enUS400&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&wrapid=tlif130274876840610&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Alcalde,+NM&gl=us&ei=dF6mTaTQD4e0sAPHxsj5DA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ8gEwAA


8 posted on 04/13/2011 7:49:53 PM PDT by freepguy
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
Uh no, this isn't about the "mistreatment of animals". This is definitely a return to antisemitism in the European Union aka the new version of the Holy Roman Empire.
9 posted on 04/13/2011 7:57:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: wideminded

Hispanic=Catholic almost always.


10 posted on 04/13/2011 8:05:00 PM PDT by freepguy
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

It’s open bigotry to support this legislation.

A former President of the House of Representatives in the Netherlands from this last decade is from a long line of Kosher butchers.

And why should he after spending a career serving the Dutch people be unable to buy a Kosher cut of meat for his dinner?


11 posted on 04/13/2011 8:06:03 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

This was one of the very first laws the Nazis passed when they gained power in Germany.


12 posted on 04/13/2011 8:07:05 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

IN 1958 the United States FDA outlawed live slaughter at local butcher shops.

This had little effect on the ability of religious communities to continue to slaughter and market/purchase meat. It did affect local butchers who soon were squeezed out by larger slaughterhouses.

The Dutch could take upon them the same legislation, allowing ritual slaghuter under reeligious authority at commercial slaughterhouses. That fact that they have explicitly also proposed to ban this also shows it is based in bigotry and any and all window dressing about animal cruelty or whastever is just that window dressing for religious bigotry.


13 posted on 04/13/2011 8:09:52 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

This was actually the Nazis first step towards the Holocaust: ban Judaism by banning ritual slaughter.

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Gun-grabbers: YES YES NO
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14 posted on 04/13/2011 8:27:20 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Olog-hai

Leave the Romans out of this. Many of the enthusiastic supporters of the European Union were Catholics, but the Catholic Church has pulled further and further away from support as the EU has made more and more clear that they will not recognize Christian heritage as part of its foundation.


15 posted on 04/13/2011 8:29:44 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

School-based sex education: YES YES NO
Parental rights: NO NO YES
Gov’t-enforced dietary restriction: YES YES NO


16 posted on 04/13/2011 8:31:24 PM PDT by dangus
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To: freepguy

>> Hispanic-Catholic almost always. <<

Sorta yes, sorta no.

The Catholics didn’t kill of the indigenous population, instead hoping to convert them. ( recently learned that even Sitting Bull was Catholic!) Given the inability to send adequate priests and catechists in among the indigenous population, there’s been some level of backsliding and syncretism. As of late, the Catholic hierarchy has done an excellent jon of opposing this, and many of the syncretic groups have declared themselves Protestant in nations like Brazil. But ritualistic animal slaughter may be a carry-over from indigenous customs. That said, Greeks and Eastern Catholic churches often have a paschal lamb, so it may be something Catholic, but I’m just not aware of that having been spread by Spaniards or Portuguese to the new world; most of what I know about ritualistic slaughter is more Santeria, an African religion which uses Catholic images to disguise itself.


17 posted on 04/13/2011 8:37:18 PM PDT by dangus
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

I don’t know about Muslim customs, but the traditional Jewish methods of slaughtering animals are not cruel, IMHO.

The problem is that most people are accustomed to buying their meat at the supermarket, all nicely wrapped up in plastic. So the idea of slaughtering animals in any way at all appalls them.

Sorry, but the kosher killing of animals is a good deal kinder than what typically happens in the wild, when one animal kills another, or when an animal dies of old age, starvation, or accidental injury.

These proposed laws are basically antisemitic, I believe.


18 posted on 04/13/2011 8:43:19 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Cicero

I disagree. I think the proposed laws are anti-religion. I think they are the first step to stamping out religion in general. They are capitalizing on the current anti-muslim wave to make laws against religion in general. There will be more to come.


19 posted on 04/13/2011 9:37:37 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: dangus

I’d love to leave the Romans out of this. Otto von Habsburg had other ideas though, with his colorful description of the EU. Besides, whatever goes on with the EU is purely Germany’s decision.


20 posted on 04/13/2011 10:07:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: LukeL
"Yet even with this it would seem decapitation would be allowed, as it cuts the jugulars and carotids in one smooth motion."

No, decapitation is much more violent than Jewish Kosher ritual slaughter. Muslim/Halal, yes...

Wilders and Hal Jordan are confusing and conflating kosher ritual slaughter with muslim "halal" butchery.

Here's the difference.

21 posted on 04/13/2011 10:15:43 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Cicero
The rules of Kosher and Halal are established for religious purposes ~ and have nothing to do with the comfort of the animal. At the same time when these rules were first established the previous processes may have been even less comfortable.

We have since studied the problem of animal slaughter and learned more about how it can be done to maximize the animal's comfort while at the same time improving the sanitary conditions.

Those who believe God reveals Himself through mankind's observation of his creation would probably like to see the ritual slaughter rules updated a tad. The solution is obvious ~ come up with a new prophet that Islam will accept ~ as well as one all Jewish groups will recognize.

Lotsa' luck!

22 posted on 04/14/2011 5:53:31 AM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Americans)
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To: Olog-hai

>> Otto von Habsburg had other ideas though, with his colorful description of the EU <<

O, do tell.


23 posted on 04/14/2011 7:27:43 AM PDT by dangus
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To: muawiyah

“The rules of Kosher and Halal are established for religious purposes ~ and have nothing to do with the comfort of the animal.”

Bzzz... Bzzz... WRONG!

Kashrus has multiple connections to prevent animal cruelty;; Halal is just another BS ripoff from Judaism...


24 posted on 04/14/2011 10:40:28 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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To: Yehuda
No doubt folks have come up with animal-centric rationales for kosher traditions, but the purpose of the whole business is the spiritual well-being of the worshipper and God.

You realize there are whole books of rationales for each and every element of Judaism ~ literally mountains of rabbinical commentary ~ a huge, vast body of thought on the matter.

Yet, the origin of the rules theselves may rest on little more than a story. For example one of the Patriarchs fought for an extended period of time with an Angel thereby putting filet mignon off-limits.

25 posted on 04/15/2011 5:44:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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