Posted on 04/13/2011 9:04:54 PM PDT by patriotgal1787
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During an email conversation with one of my radio show listeners -- retired airline pilot JetDriver2 -- the topic of the DC-10 aircraft came up then quickly shifted over to TWA 800 and its mysterious plunge from the sky over Long Island. The conversation went from there. With his permission I have reprinted it here.
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TWA was acquired by American two months after my retirement in Nov 2000. We never recovered from the July 1996 shoot-down of TWA 800 described by Jack Cashill in his book “First Strike”. This was a massive cover-up (for which I have personal evidence) ordered by Bill Clinton, who also ordered the assassination of Ron Brown described in another Cashill book “Ron Brown’s Body” which I recently read.
Yes TWA 800 was absolutely shot down. The FAA knows it and the FBI knows it. There was explosive residue on the seat cushions and a hole in the reconstructed fuselage. Many pieces of the wreckage were confiscated by the FBI and never seen again, including pieces identified by TWA volunteers working in the hangar at Calverton as showing missile damage.
There is no way that jet fuel fumes in an empty center fuel tank could have blown up that plane. Jet fuel is not volatile and is very difficult to ignite, nor was there enough energy in the residual fuel in the center tank to produce an explosion of that magnitude. There is testimony on this point by scientists.
There is an audiotape of an ANG helicopter pilot who was a former Navy Search and Rescue pilot in Vietnam, and who is also an attorney on Long Island. He was shooting a practice approach in the direction of the TWA 800 explosion. He testified that he saw the missile trail and he saw the explosion – it was an ordnance explosion, not a fuel explosion. This guy is familiar with anti-aircraft missiles and with military ordnance. Read the entire piece at The Radio Patriot.
Do you know the details of those two 737s? I would like to read up on that.
Something has me believing that you have/had skin in the game. A contingency fee perhaps?
Jet fuel just wont light off that easy.Av gas is another story.I also find it strange that the center fuel tank was empty on a transatlantic flight just after takeoff.weird
Clinton conspiracy? Bill Clinton? The 42nd President of the US, Bill Clinton? He covered up the TWA 800 frayed wire in the center fuel tank explosion that would have kept right on happening if they hadn’t ground all of that ticking timebomB-747 model that hadn’t blown up already? That was a missile? Get real. No one would dare try anything like that! Especially not the islamists, they were scared of Clinton. And the death Ron Brown, too? Clinton had him killed? Like on “The Clinton Death Listâ€? Riiiight. That’s illegal. Never could have happened. Next you’ll tell me the terrorist cult at Waco didn’t burn themselves and their compound to the ground in a mass suicide? That’d be like, getting away with murder and mass murder...c’mon, that couldn’t happen or that all those missing FBI files wasn’t just an accident, or that Hillary isn’t really an incredible cattle futures trader? That’s just crazy...she’d be in jail with Web Hubble, not SOS and Clinton would have been put in jail with Web Hubble, not on the speaker circuit. I suppose you think obama isn’t a NBC? *Whew* Y’all are just plain crazy nuts here. You’re all too smart not to know better than that. D’oh! The media would have reported it! And they didn’t! Duh
If Oswald had fired a $650K missile (at least) at Kennedy - a missile that is accounted for EVERY WEEK - then sure, it would be just like the Warren Commission.
I don't think you understand the effort, preparation and numbers of people it takes to procure a missile, supply a missile, fire a missile, and then replace the missile. We're talking about every line officer on the ship, dozens of enlisted men and NCOs in CiC, bridge and fire control stations all would have had to directly falsify deck logs and copious amounts of other documents to say nothing of the rest of the ship's crew who absolutely would have heard it (and the alarms). Missile launches are NOT quiet. They're loud. Very, very loud.
Oh, and then you have to pull back into port and explain to another 100 or so people what happened to the missing half-million dollar SAM.
But, sure. It's COMPLETELY believable no one would say a thing, to anyone, ever - 'cause that kind of stuff happens ALL THE TIME. /s
I was peripherally involved in the investigation relating to Iran 655. It was massive. There was NO WAY that could have been covered up, even if the Navy wanted to. This was bigger than that.
Sure, jet fuel has a high flash point. Jet fuel vapor OTOH, is about as explosive as any low explosive gets. That fuel tank was full of vapor.
Of course it was. Like millions of flights before it.
The only live-fire SAM range that I'm familiar with on the East Coast is a NASA installation called Wallops, off the coast of VA. I don't know if it has ever actually been used. All other SAM ranges (close to or on CONUS) are on the west coast.
The NY-Europe corridor is one of the busiest flight corridors in the world. The Navy would never conduct missile exercises in the LI Sound. It's ridiculous.
10-4 on that. I think it was an SAM acquired by Bin Laden from the US to fight the Soviets. A precursor to 9-11.
That's about the failure rate of anything mechanical on a plane - MILLIONS of flights.
How many flights did it take for a piece of FOD to be picked up by a tire and hurdled into a an engine of a Concord causing a catastrophic explosion - hundreds of thousands (or more) for just one aircraft type? Or, maybe that was a missile too.
Catastrophic mechanical failures are rare. However, that doesn't mean that they don't happen.
You’ve never followed the histories of the Comet or the DC-10, have you?
Here is the 425 page NTSB investigation report. It takes a very long time to read it but it is very well documented. It makes a very strong case that old wiring could produce a spark of sufficient energy to ignite fuel fumes in the tank.
Someone asked about why the fuel tank was empty on such a long flight. The range of the aircraft actually exceeds that flight distance by a good measure. Airlines are a business and fuel/liquids are heavy... why pay to burn fuel to transport fuel or liquid that is not needed?
The potential for this to happen was known prior to TWA800 and a safety bulletin or recommendation had been made recommending that fuel vapor be removed from these empty tanks due to the potential ignition risks.
I think there was a Phillipines airliner that blew up on the ground in the early 90’s. I thought it was a 737 and it contained the same type of wiring the 747 uses. This accident was also suspected to have been caused by fuel vapor that ignited in a fuel tank. The NTSB sent a bulletin to the FAA about this but it was not acted on.
People sometimes believe that which they want to believe or often stick with their initial assumptions or assessment. This is very dangerous in the age of 24 hour non-stop talking heads on television speculating endlessly during a breaking news story. This will not be changed but the last people I would trust would be reporters because they don’t know any more than you or I do at that moment.
It is really amazing that more aircraft accidents, explosions, or other mishaps do not occur. Given the thousands of flight hours on flying gas cans with seats we are very fortunate (or good) at maintaining the aircraft. However, the NTSB report examined over 20 aircraft of various ages and found the same suspected wiring to be in less than ideal condition. Fuel vapor is very explosive and anyone familiar with electrical components should know that sparks can happen with degraded wiring.
It is not as exciting as the various conspiracy theories but here it is for anyone who wants to read it. The NTSB is very good at what they do.
I also believe part of the hype was the massive FBI involvement in the investigations initial stages but that was to be expected after 9/11 and when you have a crash this close to a huge FBI office. The constant leaks to the NYC media outlets did not help either. FBI was very focused on an act of terrorism and this speculation heavily influenced the 48 hours of speculation on cable news that followed the explosion.
http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/2000/AAR0003.pdf
I would urge anyone with a genuine interest in the topic to take the time to read at least the conclusions in this report. If you already have your mind made up at least challenge your own conclusion by looking at this report. If you think this was a massive government conspiracy among multiple state, city, and federal agencies to cover up an act of terrorism I don’t think anything will change your mind.
What are you talking about? 9/11 happened 5 years AFTER Flight 800.
Oops. Right you both are and I don’t know how I got that mixed up other than I have been up entirely too long and it’s way past my bedtime!
Apologies to all and I am sure I will get bombarded with responses now! :)
Thank you.
Maybe you were thinking of Oklahoma City???
Might have been Pearl Harbor. It’s all a little blurry at the moment! :)
What?
The federal gub mint lies to us?
Who knew?
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