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P.I. Susan Daniels Explains Obama's Social Security Number Fraud ^ | 4/13/2011

Posted on 04/14/2011 7:51:40 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

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To: Yaelle

“Occams razor dictates that little Stanley ann did not go to Africa as a scared, underaged, pregnant girl (with a black baby in 1961). Also, there is no evidence that big Barack was anywhere near her once she got knocked up.”

If his mother wasn’t in Africa at the time, then sounds like you’re saying he couldn’t have been born in Africa - which i guess would imply that he was born in the U.S.

81 posted on 04/14/2011 10:15:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: chuckles
I was responding to this:

That’s BS because they didn’t issue SSN’s to children back then.

Which, as you confirm, is incorrect.

82 posted on 04/14/2011 10:17:48 AM PDT by Mr.Unique (My dream thread: Mormon cop shoots Catholic Freeper's Pit Bull and takes his Macbook Pro.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I was born in late fifties and have had one all my life.
It may have something to do with being Air Force brat and going overseas? but I have always had one

83 posted on 04/14/2011 10:18:39 AM PDT by winodog
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To: Ditto

That’s odd, because I remember getting mine and it was a bit more to it than that. My Dad took me down to get it, and I am almost positive he had to present my original birth cert at the time.

84 posted on 04/14/2011 10:21:41 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Hotlanta Mike


Oops! Obama mama passport ‘destroyed’
State Dept. claims records gone for Stanley Ann Dunham prior to 1968

Posted: August 01, 2010
6:28 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

Photo from Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro’s 1972 passport records

Responding to a Freedom of Information Act request, the State Department has released passport records of Stanley Ann Dunham, President Obama’s mother – but records for the years surrounding Obama’s 1961 birth are missing.

The State Department claims a 1980s General Services Administration directive resulted in the destruction of many passport applications and other “nonvital” passport records, including Dunham’s 1965 passport application and any other passports she may have applied for or held prior to 1965.

Destroyed, then, would also be any records shedding light on whether Dunham did or did not travel out of the country around the time of Barack Obama’s birth.

The claim made in the Freedom of Information response letter that many passport records were destroyed during the 1980s comes despite a statement on the State Department website that Passport Services maintains U.S. passport records for passports issued from 1925 to the present.

The records released, however, contain interesting tidbits of new information about Obama’s mother, including the odd listing of two different dates and locations for her marriage to Obama’s Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro.

(Story continues below)

In the released documents Dunham listed both March 15, 1965, in Molokai, Hawaii, and March 5, 1964, in Maui, Hawaii, as the dates and places of her marriage.

Dunham later divorced Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii. The divorce decree took effect Nov. 5, 1980, but the divorce papers do not list the date of the marriage.

No marriage certificate between Dunham and Soetoro has yet publicly surfaced, but a released application to amend Dunham’s 1965 passport to her married name Stanley Ann Soetoro includes a checked box indicating a passport officer had seen the marriage certificate.

The released records also document that on Aug. 13, 1968, Dunham applied to have her 1965-issued passport renewed for two years, until July 18, 1970.

Under 22 USC Sec. 217a, from 1959 through 1968, passports were initially issued for three years, but they could be renewed for an additional two years.

Obama, by any other name

Also revealed by the released records is a heretofore unknown, alternative name for Barack Obama.

In the 1968 application to renew her 1965 passport, Dunham listed as her son Barack Hussein Obama, including in parenthesis below the name, “Soebarkah,” in what appears to be a variation of an Indonesian surname not previously associated in the public record with the president.

For some unexplained reason, the designation of “Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah)” is crossed off the 1968 application by five handwritten, diagonal hash marks.

S. Ann Dunham in Indonesia

Dunham also appears to have used two different variations of her name in obtaining and amending passports while married to Lolo Soetoro: Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro and, without her maiden name, Stanley Ann Soetoro.

On April 27, 1981, Dunham applied from Jakarta, Indonesia, for a U.S. passport, indicating that she was in Indonesia working on a two-year contract from the Ford Foundation, from January 1981 through December 1982.

At that time, Dunham was working on a microfinance program for the Ford Foundation, which was overseen by Peter Geithner, the father of Timothy Geithner, the current U.S. secretary of the treasury.

Ann Dunham’s occupation in the 1981 passport application was listed as “Program Officer, Ford Foundation.”

No passport records subsequent to 1986 for Ann Dunham were released, though presumably a passport was issued following her 1986 application, such that the 10-year period prior to expiration would have extended one year past her death.

Dunham died Nov. 7, 1995, and was known to have been in Indonesia in 1994 when an Indonesian doctor first misdiagnosed as indigestion the first signs of the ovarian cancer that was the cause of her death the following year.

The released documents shed no light on proving or disproving whether Dunham might have held a passport prior to Barack Obama’s birth that she could have used to travel to Kenya for his birth, as has been speculated in the absence of the release of Obama’s long-form birth certificate from Hawaii.

The State Department released the Dunham passport documents July 29, responding to a Freedom of Information request submitted by Christopher Strunk, a New York resident who has actively pursued obtaining documents regarding Obama’s birth and his eligibility to be president under the “natural born citizen” requirement of Section 1, Article 2 of the United States Constitution.

The Dunham documents have been archived on the Internet.

The controversy continues

A prominent array of commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Mark Levin, Lou Dobbs, Peter Boyles and WND’s Chuck Norris and Pat Boone have all said unequivocally and publicly that the Obama eligibility issue continues to be legitimate and worthy.

Longtime New York radio talker Lynn Samuels did the same.

“We don’t even know where he was born,” she said. “I absolutely believe he was not born in this country.”

WND has reported on multiple legal challenges to Obama’s status as a “natural born citizen.” The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”

Some of the lawsuits question whether Obama was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama’s American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama’s citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Further, others question his citizenship by virtue of his attendance in Indonesian schools during his childhood and question on what passport did he travel to Pakistan three decades ago.

Adding fuel to the fire is Obama’s persistent refusal to release documents that could provide answers and his appointment of lawyers to defend against all requests for his documentation.

While his supporters cite an online version of a “Certification of Live Birth” from Hawaii as his birth verification, critics point out such documents actually were issued for children not born in the state.

85 posted on 04/14/2011 10:22:46 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: CaptainK
I didn't apply for mine; my parents did (or I assume they did, they are the ones that gave me the card). It is quite possible it was applied for in California (we traveled a lot). Again, this still makes it a curiosity. It is curious that Obama has a CT number. It is curious that the kid with the number immediately preceding it is dead (which is not the same as having the same number as a dead person).

I'd rather see the effort exerted on college records.

86 posted on 04/14/2011 10:25:34 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: mdmathis6
NO! At the time it was rare for kids to get a SS#. My parents asked for ours at birth. Now it is automatically apart of the packet that the hospital gives you when your child is born. Part of the paperwork they give you is for a birth certificate, and part of it is for a SS#. Up until it was required to have a SS# to receive a tax deduction for children on your 1040 it was normal not to get a SS# until you got a job.

Now you need one right away to get a tax break or credit on the 1040. Regardless, did you need a passport as a youth to travel in the sixties and seventies. Obama went to Kenya, lived in Indonesia. And if you needed a passport to travel as a youth, did you also need a SS# to get a passport? I am asking because I do not know.

87 posted on 04/14/2011 10:26:12 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; bgill; LucyT; Brown Deer; Polarik; opentalk; RobinMasters; butterdezillion; ...
I saw the blatantly phony explanation given by Bill O'Reilly last night in answer to a viewer's question as to how Barack Obama was using a Social Security number issued to a Connecticut resident (as can be determined by the first three digits of the SSN).

O'Reilly's attempted cover-up of this inconvenient fact was to state that Obama's father was living in Connecticut at the time and might have used his address on his son's paperwork. But we know with virtual certainty that Obama Sr. was in Kenya at the time (1977) when that SSN was issued. Even going back much earlier to Obama Sr.'s time living in the US, he had residences in Hawaii, then Massachusetts (where he attended Harvard), but never Connecticut.

If the FOX management had any integrity, they'd boot O'Reilly out of their studios for such an egregious lie. It's the biggest whopper told an the air in connection with a sitting president since Dan Rather's notorious "Bush was AWOL from the National Guard" story in 2004.

88 posted on 04/14/2011 10:27:45 AM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: COUNTrecount

I did not have a SS# until I was 17. I traveled overseas with my parents until I was about 8 (military). It was in the 1960s, so they may have changed the law, or perhaps it’s different for military dependents.

89 posted on 04/14/2011 10:28:10 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

O'Blowhard should have worn a blue dress.

90 posted on 04/14/2011 10:28:30 AM PDT by McGruff (Shut it down!)
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To: nuconvert

“If his mother wasn’t in Africa at the time, then sounds like you’re saying he couldn’t have been born in Africa - which i guess would imply that he was born in the U.S.”

I don’t suppose he was born in Africa. However, I now have serious doubts he was born in this country. He does not have the long form BC. I suspect that since the only place a brand newborn Barry was ever seen was in Seattle, that her parents sent Stanley Ann to an unwed mothers home in Canada, just a few miles from Seattle. That would explain how her friends saw her with a newborn, and taught her how to change a diaper. One of them remembers babysitting for baby Barack.

Remember that Stanley Ann was too young to confer American citizenship on her baby. Who knows if he ever was naturalized? His first passport may have been the Indonesian one.

91 posted on 04/14/2011 10:32:49 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: mdmathis6

They changed the law in about the late 70s I think because my son who was born in 1979 got one when he was born (or got the form in the hospital) as I recall.

92 posted on 04/14/2011 10:33:29 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: mdmathis6

Darn, and I meant to add that I don’t think I got a form for my son who was born in 1977, when he was born. I may misremember tho.

93 posted on 04/14/2011 10:34:24 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: justiceseeker93

Exactly. How does BOR get away with these blatant lies? Something is very wrong with fox news.

94 posted on 04/14/2011 10:35:31 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: winodog

No, I was an Air Force Brat (pleased to meet ya) and we were overseas, and I never had one til I was older.

95 posted on 04/14/2011 10:36:08 AM PDT by brytlea (A tick stole my tagline....)
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To: brytlea

At some point the tax laws changed. The IRS started requiring a SS# for every child you deduct on your tax form. That is why kids get a SS# right away, so you can get your tax deduction/credit. I do not know when that started.

96 posted on 04/14/2011 10:36:57 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Not true, My parents got our SS#’s right away. My brother was born in ‘65 and i was born in ‘67.


Yes, it could be done. My folks got for one for me in 1966 right after I was born. They didn’t do it for my younger sister and brother, though, who were born during the next few years. I don’t know why.

97 posted on 04/14/2011 10:41:44 AM PDT by Hepsabeth
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To: brytlea

Our daughter was born in 1978 and we were not required to register her for Social Security at the time of her birth.

98 posted on 04/14/2011 10:42:43 AM PDT by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Jim from C-Town

Consider he may have been getting student aid and loans under more than one name. In effect, double dipping.

99 posted on 04/14/2011 10:46:18 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Mr. Bird
Guess what? I was born in Indiana and have a SS number associated with California. I had no idea I was a fraud. Obama’s Connecticut number is a curiosity, but hardly scandalous.


I don't understand your statement above. Are saying that you never lived in California but you still got a Social Security number associated with California?

How old were you when you got your Social Security number? What state were you living in at the time?

Could you please show us the first three numbers of your Social Security number? Thanks.

100 posted on 04/14/2011 10:46:18 AM PDT by john mirse
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