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Long-Form Birth Certificates Were Available Until Trump “Trumped” Obama
The Post & Email ^ | April 14, 2011 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 04/15/2011 4:51:44 AM PDT by RobinMasters

(Apr. 14, 2011) — On April 12, 2011, The Post & Email reported that a Hawaiian-born resident was denied a copy of his original, long-form birth certificate after visiting the Department of Health and submitting a formal request for it.

Since March 23, 2011, real estate developer, television show host and entrepreneur Donald Trump has been calling for Obama to release his original birth certificate to prove that he was born in the United States. On April 12, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin evidently joined him. Miki Booth, a former resident of Hawaii whose husband and son were born there, furnished the following information earlier today regarding someone’s visit to the Hawaii Department of Health:

The following is from one of my contacts I received today:

I went to the DOH to see if the detailed BC can still be attained and here’s what I found out:

1 - The year 1921 thru present, everyone will receive a computer generated form just like (scan.jpg).

2 - Any BC’s 1909-1920 will have a photo copy of the detailed type of BC like (her daughters) and here’s why. The BC’s before 1921 were never entered into the computer and therefore they must go into archives, pull the books with the information, photo copy onto the green certificate and process with seal and stamp. The gentleman actually showed me what one of the books look like and proceeded to explain the photo copy process etc…

(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...


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KEYWORDS: harvardresumefraud; kaganresumefraud; naturalborncitizen; nobirthcertificate; nodocumentation; nojustice; notruth; noveritas; resumefraud
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1 posted on 04/15/2011 4:51:46 AM PDT by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
Is there not one Grand Jury in the USA ready to indict
Obama and/or Pelosi and Reid? Not one?



Altered voting certificates prepared by Ms. Pelosi (D, Syria? CA? Samoa?)
for the DOJ-approved election fraud wrought by the DNC
ignored by the agonadal Congress, covered up by EU-fawning SCOTUS,
against the people of the United States of America.

Exhibit 1: (the original, but discarded) states:
”THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the
United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the
following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice
President of the United States respectively and that the following candidates for President
and Vice President of the United States are legally qualified to serve under the provisions
of the United States Constitution:”




Exhibit 2: specifically leaves out the qualifying requirement:
”THIS IS TO CERTIFY that at the National Convention of the Democrat Party of the
United States of America, held in Denver, Colorado on August 25 though 28, 2008, the
following were duly nominated as candidates of said Party for President and Vice
President of the United States respectively:”





2 posted on 04/15/2011 4:54:22 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: RobinMasters

Well, sounds like a lot of people could be facing charges. Just the threat or talk of that will scare some people to sing


3 posted on 04/15/2011 4:55:40 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: RobinMasters
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
"The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
.... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
(See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”

4 posted on 04/15/2011 4:56:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis ( Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: RobinMasters
My son was born at Tripler Army Hospital in Honolulu. Last year we had to get passports and he was able to get his long form. So to cover for Obama, we will not be able to get them anymore. Talk about a major cover up. Now we have to part of that cover up so he does not look bad?
5 posted on 04/15/2011 4:56:28 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: tsowellfan

The GOP wants no part of it. I think they are in Cahoots with the DNC.


6 posted on 04/15/2011 4:57:42 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: RobinMasters

It looks like Mr. Trump is really, really worried about the fate of his country.

It is hoped that he continues his public activities
and exposes the Democrat party for what it is.

It is also hoped that the loud-mouthed, leftist punks in congress expose themselves for the totalitarians they are as they do an imitation of adolescent psychotics who think that non-communists drag their kunckles.

IMHO


7 posted on 04/15/2011 5:00:34 AM PDT by ripley
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To: RobinMasters
On April 12, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin evidently joined him.

Weak attempt to slap the "birther" label on Sarah.

8 posted on 04/15/2011 5:02:45 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: RobinMasters

Veeeeerrrry interesting.


9 posted on 04/15/2011 5:04:01 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Linda Frances
Don't worry, it won't work.

Hawaii's attempt to prevent access to Obama's nonexistent records will be about as effective as Trump's attempt to disguise his thinning hair.

Trump has the goods on Obama and the manure will hit the fan soon.

10 posted on 04/15/2011 5:04:53 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: RobinMasters
Is there not an honest court somewhere in this Country who would subpoena 0bama’s birth records and force the release of his long form birth certificate?
11 posted on 04/15/2011 5:05:31 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Psalm 109:8 Let his days be few and let another take his office. - Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin)
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To: RobinMasters

Again, thanks for posting the Obama Eligibility articles...you always find the most interesting ones

I can see Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and a few other Fraud Cons going apoplectic over all these posts, then melt their Magnum, PI DVDs... ;-)

Keep up the good work


12 posted on 04/15/2011 5:23:37 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (If I Was Really Born in Hawaii...I Would Proudly Show My Birth Certificate)
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To: DTogo

On April 12, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin evidently joined him.

Weak attempt to slap the “birther” label on Sarah.


Considering just a couple weeks earlier....Palin was saying that the GOP should stay away from the Obama Eligibility issue.

If Trump has changed her mind...more power to her. I have been critical of Gov Palin in the past, however, I welcome her support if she truly has “seen the light” since Trump made his comments


13 posted on 04/15/2011 5:29:18 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (If I Was Really Born in Hawaii...I Would Proudly Show My Birth Certificate)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Apparently not. We are in a sad state of affairs. Pray for our country. Perhaps Trump is an answer to many prayers. God works in mysterious ways.


14 posted on 04/15/2011 5:33:47 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: RobinMasters

From AP’s Arizona article this morning:

“Hawaii officials have repeatedly confirmed Obama’s citizenship, and his Hawaiian birth certificates have been made public.”

I can buy the first part of the sentence, but not the second. Also, I wasn’t aware that people had multiple birth certificates, plural.


15 posted on 04/15/2011 5:37:55 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Linda Frances

So NO ONE who needs a LFBC from Hawaii can get one, ergo, they cannot get a Driver’s license renewed or a passport issued.
I just renewed my DL in January, and had to show my LF BC. They went over it like it was a counterfeit hundred dollar bill. Even called in a supervisor to look at it again. It was one of those 1950’s era photocopy black/white negative style..........


16 posted on 04/15/2011 5:39:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (Mitt Romney: The Harold Stassen of the 21st century........)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; All

Is there not an honest court somewhere in this Country who would subpoena 0bama’s birth records and force the release of his long form birth certificate?


With the elections coming up in 2012....the State Courts in all states may be a impartial outlet.

Note that many of our election laws, including those dealing with the election of the US President, are state laws....and have been upheld based on legal precedent

A State Court subpeona for records must be honored by all governments in the USA. I know when I was in Army JAG some years ago...US military records are released when a state or circuit court judge issues a subpeona for them...you do not need a Federal Court judge

My idea is for people to use their state and circuit courts to challenge Obama Eligibility. You are more likely to get a judge “that has not been bought off” by Obama/DNC/RNC....and a judge who has no aspirations to get a higher court position. All it takes is for one state...or even one large county/electoral district....to keep Obama off the 2012 ballot...and this will snowball


17 posted on 04/15/2011 5:41:03 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (If I Was Really Born in Hawaii...I Would Proudly Show My Birth Certificate)
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To: Red Badger

All Trump has to do is declare his candidacy... and sue Obama in a friendly state court in one of the 50 states.

It could be that simple.


18 posted on 04/15/2011 5:51:54 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: o2bfree
All Trump has to do is declare his candidacy... and sue Obama in a friendly state court in one of the 50 states.

I would recommend Missouri since it is the "Show Me" state.

19 posted on 04/15/2011 5:57:29 AM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: Linda Frances

This policy is a transparent effort to give Obama an excuse to not come up with a long-form, implemented after Trump raised the issue in the public eye. It is a violation of HRS 338-13, HRS 338-18, and UIPA.

HRS 338-13 specifically states that a person SHALL be given either a copy of their birth certificate or a copy of the CONTENTS of their birth certificate upon request. Photocopy is one method of making a COPY. If a person requests a copy of the actual birth certificate - not just the contents of the birth certificate (a short-form is a partial abstract of the content on a birth certificate) - HRS 338-13 says they SHALL be given it.

This policy is a clear violation of that law.

Somebody needs to sue the heck out of these people. If they’re saying they can’t afford the personnel to make photocopies of birth certificates then they sure as heck can’t afford the lawsuits that THEY WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR as each person who is refused their records sues.


20 posted on 04/15/2011 6:16:39 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: DTogo

Sarah didn’t “join” Trump, she just said “more power to him”, in a “whatever” kind of remark.


21 posted on 04/15/2011 6:20:32 AM PDT by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Flightdeck

Actually, when Hawaii confirms his citizenship, they incur the responsibility to provide the proof of their allegation.


22 posted on 04/15/2011 6:20:43 AM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: RobinMasters
I saw Trump on Hannity last night. He's saying all the right things, even without birth certificate issue he flat out said Obama worst president ever. People on the left who generally aren't paying attention are all hearing The Donald, for that reason alone I like him a lot! It's the same with the Tea Party, you have to love love love the Tea Party because prior to that, everyone was asleep at the wheel!
23 posted on 04/15/2011 6:35:59 AM PDT by GizzyGirl
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To: ripley

If America dies, so does a good portion of Trump’s fortune.


24 posted on 04/15/2011 6:37:15 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Diogenesis

Like the ticker!!!


25 posted on 04/15/2011 6:37:21 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: o2bfree

I think that ‘bammers would have to be on the ballot in that state before he can be challenged,

so that might be used as a delay tactic.


26 posted on 04/15/2011 6:38:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MortMan

I like it.

Obama’s eligibility is simply an unfounded allegation.


27 posted on 04/15/2011 6:39:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Don’t worry, it won’t work.
Hawaii’s attempt to prevent access to Obama’s nonexistent records will be about as effective as Trump’s attempt to disguise his thinning hair.

Trump has the goods on Obama and the manure will hit the fan soon.


If you don’t think he has people in Kenya and Chicago where all the skeletons are buried you may be mistaken.

He’s got the resources and I would presume the backing of Wall Street to go after the thug in chief.


28 posted on 04/15/2011 6:40:14 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: GizzyGirl

I saw Trump on Hannity last night. He’s saying all the right things, even without birth certificate issue he flat out said Obama worst president ever. People on the left who generally aren’t paying attention are all hearing The Donald, for that reason alone I like him a lot! It’s the same with the Tea Party, you have to love love love the Tea Party because prior to that, everyone was asleep at the wheel!


He’s speaking at a Tea Party event in Boca Raton, FL Saturday together with Allen West.

Everyone is concerned about whether The Donald could beat Obama. Well wasn’t it about 3 years ago that nobody though that a community organizer would become POTUS?


29 posted on 04/15/2011 6:44:04 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Clinton wasn’t supposed to have a chance either.


30 posted on 04/15/2011 6:45:10 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: o2bfree

Trump’s “home” is in FL. And the GOP practically owns most of the FL court system...


31 posted on 04/15/2011 6:49:29 AM PDT by AeroFANatic
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To: FrankR
Sarah didn’t “join” Trump, she just said “more power to him”,

The MSM says she joined him.....and that is essentially what she did.

32 posted on 04/15/2011 6:49:50 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin....The Thrilla from Wasilla)
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To: RobinMasters

If you look at the bottom of the Nordyke twins birth certificate, you’ll see that original long form birth certificates were transferred to microfiche in 1966. So if 0bama was really born in a Honolulu hospital, there should be a record just like it.


33 posted on 04/15/2011 6:51:37 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: Diogenesis

34 posted on 04/15/2011 8:41:19 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MrB

“If America dies, so does a good portion of Trump’s fortune.”

It doesn’t make him a bad person if he engages
in self-interest by standing up for what he believes and at the same time protecting his rights and the rights of others.

Belief in ownership rights is not a sin.

IMHO

Best regards.


35 posted on 04/15/2011 9:29:29 AM PDT by ripley
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To: ripley

I wasn’t ripping his self-interest.

I was pointing out that he’s got a very good reason to save America.


36 posted on 04/15/2011 9:33:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

“I was pointing out that he’s got a very good reason to save America.”

Amen.

Best Regards.


37 posted on 04/15/2011 10:28:23 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan; FrankR
Sarah didn’t “join” Trump, she just said “more power to him”...she joined him

I heard her say 'more power to him' and that 'he was bringing up an issue that many Americans are interested in' (or something to that effect).

I really didn't think she gave an opinion about it being true in the interview I saw. It sounded more like political speak to me.

38 posted on 04/15/2011 10:49:56 AM PDT by longjack
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To: capt. norm

Moved to the Show-Me State. Only thing they show is how dumb they are.

1. Claire McA$$kill.

2. If someone dies before they reach office, we just let a relative accept position.

3. Judge in Taney County. (why there is no federal investigation I will never know)


39 posted on 04/15/2011 10:53:41 AM PDT by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
SonOfDarkSkies said: "Trump has the goods on Obama and the manure will hit the fan soon. "

I think you may be on to something here. Trump didn't get to where he is by foolishly rushing into things without having a good idea of how he was going to prevail. It does make sense that he has the information already and is simply making sure that the media and the public are paying close attention when he discloses it.

40 posted on 04/15/2011 11:43:38 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
Yep.

Like most real estate developers, he has a strong legal contingent around him and they not only make sure his homework is done, their Rolodexes are loaded with the phone #'s of the best 'investigators' to help get it done (particularly as it pertains to chasing down the personal details of Obama's shady life).

41 posted on 04/15/2011 12:03:44 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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