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Posted on 04/17/2011 8:07:19 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
THE MAIN ISSUE IS THE CITIZENSHIP OF OBAMA's FATHER AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH REGARDLESS OF WHERE HE WAS BORN.
Comments/Disagreements welcome
“harping on this issue ( especially Obama’s birth certificate, which I personally think is irrelevant )”
We could tell that already, by your use of the word “harping”...
It’s obvious and clear what it means. It means born a citizen, not a naturalized citizen. That’s why McBain can’t be president, but his kids could. Everyone knows that.
What were the circumstances behind McCain’s birth that disqualifies him?
sorry - McBain = easier to type than Schwarzenegger.
But, then you have to begin the questioning of who Stanley Anne Dunham opened her legs for that fateful evening when she conceived a child?
Was it Mr. Obama, Mr. Soerto, Mr. Davis, or who knows, or if she even knew?
McCain’s parents, both of them, are U.S born and he was born in American jurisdiction. He’s eligible.
Obama, on the other hand, is not.
It’s what I’ve been saying repeatedly; WE DON’T NEED TO SEE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE to already know that he’s not eligible. His dad is not a citizen of the U.S., therefore, O is ineligible.
I really wish some in the electorate can differentiate between U.S. citizen and natural born. And I really was hoping millions would stop falling for this birth certificate nonsense.
AGAIN, WE ALREADY KNOW, AND WE KNEW BACK IN 2008, THAT OBAMA IS NOT ELIGIBLE BECAUSE HIS DAD’S STATUS IS THAT OF A FOREIGNER. His stinking birth certificate does not change that fact.
Yes, I would love to see his college records, only because my gut tells me his grades stink. But I don’t need his stupid birth certificate because I already know that this President got away with the whole enchilada. The media and the Democrats just pulled a huge scam over all of us, and instead of focusing like a laser beam on the natural born issues, people are screaming about “Obama - U.S. citizen and a birth certificate”.
Unreal.
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RE: sorry - McBain = easier to type than Schwarzenegger.
Arnold isn’t running and we know that he is ineligible.
Also to those fans of Gov. Bobby Jindal out there, we ought to ask ourselves if he is eligible also.
What were the citizenship of his parents at his time of birth?
If BOTH were not US Citizens, he is merely a NATIVE BORN American, NOT a NATURAL BORN Citizen.
Which (sadly) makes him ineligible to be POTUS.
The first is the issue of natural born as raised by the author of the article. It has never been tested in the courts, especially SCOTUS. I feel strongly that it should be based on the citizenship of Obama's alleged father.
The second issue revolves around Obama's long form birth certificate to verify exactly who his birth father really was and to determine if he was born abroad. In order to challenge whether Obama was "natural born," we would have to verify from a primary source document that Barack Obama Sr. was his real father. And if there is an indication that Obama was born abroad (COLBs in Hawaii have been issued to children born abroad) then he would clearly not be eligible to be President unless his mother was unmarried and she alone conveyed citizenship abroad. A Consular certification would be used to do that. There is no doubt that Obama is a citizen and presumably had a US passport when he travelled to Indonesia when he was six years old. If he had been born overseas, he would have been added to his mother's passport in order to enter the US for the first time.
RE: The second issue revolves around Obama’s long form birth certificate to verify exactly who his birth father really was
Something just struck me as I read the above, which is this — why is Obama being so secretive about his Long Form Birth Certificate ? Could it be that it does not show that who he said his father is, isn’t really his father?
Curiouser and curiouser it’s becoming.
Until we see the long form birth certificate, we really don't know who his father was.
We really need to see the original, long form birth certificate to confirm it. There is no doubt in my mind that Obama is hiding something or he would have released the long form BC long ago.
This is a great summary, but confused me at the end with this quote: “Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, James F. Wilson of Iowa, confirmed this in 1866: “We must depend on the general law relating to subjects and citizens recognized by all nations for a definition, and that must lead us to the conclusion that every person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen of such States, except that of children born on our soil to temporary sojourners or representatives of foreign Governments.”
Unlike Bingham’s formulation, which clearly required birth in the U.S. to citizen parents, the Wilson formulation could be construed to mean that a U.S.-born child of alien parents permanently residing in the U.S. (even if they had not yet attained U.S. citizenship or even had plans to) could be considered natural born citizens. That is, if the parents are permanent U.S. residents, they can’t be characterized as “temporary sojourners.” This would seem to undercut the clarity of the author’s argument up until the Conclusion in which the Wilson quote appears.
Yes, yes, I’ve heard the speculation and theories that perhaps his dad is Frank Marshall Davis or maybe it’s Malcolm X, or maybe it’s his grandfather, Stanley Dunham! Do you even realize that you’re arguing for his natural born status? If either of these men are his dad, and he is born in Hawaii, he’s natural born and he’s eligible.
I tend to take him at his word; that his dad is the foreign-born and non-U.S.-citizen Obama Sr. From Obama’s own mouth, he has already told us that he is not eligible. I don’t need to chase theories and connect speculative dots; I’m connecting the two dots of facts I have, and from that, he is ineligible.
But by all means, go ahead and make this more difficult. I don’t need the chase to know this guy is a fraud (ineligible), a liar, and his sympathies are severely unAmerican.
The author appears to be unaware that distinctions between those rights derived from the father and from the mother are unlikely to be accepted in today's America.
I realize things were different in the 18th century, but if it is intended to maintain them today, an argument should be made why this is appropriate, rather than just ignoring the issue.
What in the world makes you think a BC contains such information, particularly in the case of a married woman?
Assuming the BC does list the birth father, as opposed to the legal father, which it doesn't in any state, AFAIK, where could they possibly get such information except from the mother? And what makes you think she would tell the truth? Or possibly that she even knew who the "real father" was?
Prior to modern DNA testing, such as in the early 60s, there was NO WAY to prove who the "real father" was.
Even if it were to be proven the "real father" was some other guy, what makes you think the Constitution's provision would apply to the "sperm donor" rather than the legal father, the mother's husband?
This is bs
Bump for later.
The long form BC is paramount because on it we will see who his father is. Before you can rule out Obama because his father was not a citizen, you have to be SURE who his LEGAL father is. What PROOF do you have to show that Barrack Obama was the father of Barack Obama? The same COLB that we know to be photo-shopped and forged?
First things first. Let's get the official, LEGAL, Birth Certificate that includes ALL the birth information. If he can't produce one, then it's over for him.
McCain was born at the public hospital in Colon, Panama which is located about a mile from the PCZ. (The U.S. Naval Hospital wasn’t built until a few years later) The PCZ was only leased from Panama and did not carry U.S. territorial status. IMHO, Mccain is not an NBC. He could have allegiance to Panama.
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