Update: Breaking from Hawaii: No More Long-Form Birth Certificates!

http://www.thepostemail.com/2011/04/12/breaking-from-hawaii-no-more-long-form-birth-certificates/ ^

[Fantasywriter]

Wrong, baby. Go back in your OWN posting history and read it and weep. You said anything posted on Kos stands or falls on its own merits. That is the equivalent of saying, ‘I respect the site, and what they post should not be assumed to be suspect’.

You also said don’t bother you with anything posted on WorldNUTDaily. I.e.: anything posted there is negated simply by the fact of its association with a site YOU have deemed (w’out offering corroborating evidence) unreliable.

It’s all there in your own posting history.

Or have you forgotten we’re not at DU, where you can edit your posts at will?

Apologize for calling me a liar. All I did was cite your own posts. Personal attacks are not acceptable.

[Salamander]

They’re already a ruined Marxist third world country.
He wouldn’t be interested....no challenge.

[TheCipher]

True, they no longer issue if requested in the normal manner. That does not mean the original longform is not on file. They are playing semantics when talking about issuing Certificates of Live Birth. That is not the point here. The point is having access to the longform that is on file. This talk about what the department now issues or does not issue is a red herring. They are being misleading if they insist that the DOH doesn't have copies of the longform and those copies cannot be accessed.

From the Hawaii Revised Statutes:

92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.

So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth

Plus from the Homelands Department site:

The state Department of Health, the state Archives, and the state Bureau of Conveyances are just a few places where you can look for and obtain primary and secondary documents. Certified copies of records can be obtained for a fee.

How do they define primary documents?

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification

So, from the above , you should still - by law- be able to get a certified copy of the Certificate of Live Birth. I don't recall the legislature ever repealing 92-31 or 338-18.

[Future Useless Eater]

It is so obvious that Hawaii is changing its rules to shelter Zero from being exposed as a fraud.