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Democratic congressman aims to disarm all but the rich
pajamasmedia.com ^ | 21 April, 2011 | Howard Nemerov

Posted on 04/22/2011 4:28:43 AM PDT by marktwain

One gambit of gun banners is to promote “sensible gun laws” that increase firearms costs, ensuring that fewer Americans can afford guns.

Yesterday, Congressman Mike Quigley (D, IL-5) announced his “TRACE (Trafficking Reduction and Criminal Enforcement) Act.” Ostensibly, this will “give the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) a greater ability to identify the source of illicit guns and choke off the supply to traffickers.”

TRACE requires:

* “A second, hidden serial number on every gun”.

* “Maintaining background check records for 60 days”, instead of the current 24 hours.

* “gun dealers to perform inventory checks to report lost and stolen guns”.

These requirements will drive up prices by:

* Increasing manufacturing costs.

* Creating larger, more expensive government via additional data processing and storage.

* Increase firearms dealers’ overhead.

Gun control benefits the wealthiest Americans, by ensuring only they can afford guns. For example, the District of Columbia has the toughest gun control laws in America. Recently, the Washington Post reported:

“In the 2½ years since the U.S. Supreme Court ended the District’s handgun ban, hundreds of residents in Washington’s safest, most well-to-do neighborhoods have armed themselves, registering far more guns than people in poorer, crime-plagued areas of the city, according to D.C. police data.”

In 2008, Democrats became the biggest recipients of corporate campaign contributions. Now the new party of big business wants to disarm the people who mistakenly voted for the mythical party of the little guy.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; districtofcolumbia; illinois; legislation; registration
In Democrat controlled areas, the rich and famous are the most likely to obtain gun permits.
1 posted on 04/22/2011 4:28:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I think my head is going to explode this morning. You know that little vein that runs from the nose to the top of the skull? Yeah, mine’s bulging this morning from all of this garbage anti-gun crap in the news.

Obama’s winning the media war due to a complicit press.


2 posted on 04/22/2011 4:37:53 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: marktwain
“In the 2½ years since the U.S. Supreme Court ended the District’s handgun ban, hundreds of residents in Washington’s safest, most well-to-do neighborhoods have armed themselves, registering far more guns than people in poorer, crime-plagued areas of the city, according to D.C. police data.”

That statement needs a lot more data/information and context to understand its true meaning.

There's a very good possibility (probability, imho) that the residents of those poor, crime-ridden neighborhoods ALREADY had guns* and don't feel the need to register them. While the residents of NW, who are affluent and law-abiding, DIDN'T have guns (against the law, dont'cha know?) and are now availing themselves of the opportunity to lawfully arm themselves.

(*my recollection of the news footage from the various DC gun amnesty buy-backs over the years is of very long lines of residents from places like Anacostia waiting to trade in firearms for cold, hard CA$H. Anyone who thinks that they were turning in something other than just their oldest/cheapest pieces is kidding themselves.)
3 posted on 04/22/2011 4:48:34 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: marktwain

Next it will be “well if you can afford a gun, you’ve got too much money”.


4 posted on 04/22/2011 4:48:50 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: marktwain
*** In Democrat controlled areas, the rich and famous are the most likely to obtain gun permits. ***

You got that right. And is why 'The Donald' can get a concealed carry permit in NYC. But a FReeper from NYC could no longer afford the yearly costs for his regular; 'keep it at home gun permit' (not a CCW).

Can't recall the FReeper's name. (my bad)

5 posted on 04/22/2011 4:55:08 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: rarestia
*** I think my head is going to explode this morning. You know that little vein that runs from the nose to the top of the skull? Yeah, mine’s bulging this morning ***

That's not good, all headaches suck. But no real need to worry about that little vein.

It's the Big Vein on the Left Side of your Neck you have to worry about.
If that's throbbing, you 'can' have a real problem.

That's were *most* operations are performed in order to prevent a stroke.

6 posted on 04/22/2011 5:03:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51

The anti-gun crap’s gotta stop. The American public has grown intelligent enough to understand that firearms are tools best handled by Freedom-loving Americans. We don’t need government intervention, but it’s continuing to creep and I daresay it’s beginning to eclipse the skies around us.


7 posted on 04/22/2011 5:06:55 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
*** The anti-gun crap’s gotta stop. .... ... ***

I concur. And I assume you've heard about Cass Sunstein's latest attempt at an end run around the Constitution and 2A with the ATF.

His attack is now on Shotguns. He wants to 'redefine' what a Shotgun 'IS', and if its 'suitable for sporting purposes'. If not (by his definition), he wants the ATF to 'regulate them' OUT OF EXISTENCE! His current 'target' (pun intended) is the Saiga 12ga autoloader with the detachable magazine.

Glenn Beck doesn't call Sunstein the most dangerous person in America for nothing, Sunstein is EVIL!

8 posted on 04/22/2011 5:20:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51

“Target” these a$$holes!Bad word?Fk em!


9 posted on 04/22/2011 5:39:02 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: marktwain

MOLON LABE


10 posted on 04/22/2011 5:50:36 AM PDT by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
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To: Renegade
*** “Target” these a$$holes!Bad word? Fk em! ***

The only problem is, they'd likely enjoy it. Barney Fwank would be 1st in line.

But 'sereis', I'd start buying every 'Home Defense' shotgun now. From the Mossberg, Maverick (same as Mossberg but cheaper), Remington, Winchester, etc. H&R even makes one now. Including getting the ex-Leo shotguns with the shorter barrels and 5 round magazines.

As after the Ruskie Saiga import shotgun, Sunstein will have the ATF go after the American Made 'Assault Shotguns' (that's what he's calling them).

I'm gonna be going into the 'Cookie Jar Money' pdq.

11 posted on 04/22/2011 5:54:37 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: rarestia

Calm down, this flurry of anti-gun crap is meant as distraction. The Dems know the House will not pass any anti-gun laws. They are trying to distract from the absolute total mess the economy is in also to push down the Gunwalker story. It is often said the best defense is a good offense. They defend themselves by launching an attack on gun owners.


12 posted on 04/22/2011 5:57:34 AM PDT by MCF
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To: MCF

The problem with that line of reasoning is that Obama and his ilk don’t care about Congress. This is bordering on totalitarian, and Obama is going to continue to use Executive Orders to make law. The Republic is lost already. Congress won’t step up to “check and balance” the Executive branch; they’re complicit!


13 posted on 04/22/2011 6:00:21 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: tacticalogic
Next it will be “well if you can afford a gun, you’ve got too much money”.

Or simply, "If you can afford a gun, surely you can afford to pay a little higher tax!"

14 posted on 04/22/2011 6:24:53 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: marktwain

This is the Euro model. What people don’t understand is, you can do anything yo want in Europe, if you can afford it. Problem is, only the elites can afford anything and typically the elites are old money.


15 posted on 04/22/2011 6:27:07 AM PDT by riri
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To: Lou L
Or simply, "If you can afford a gun, surely you can afford to pay a little higher tax!"

That's pretty much it. They'll figure if you can still afford a gun, you need to have your taxes raised some more.

16 posted on 04/22/2011 6:28:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: riri

I ran into this overseas. It has its positive side. If you are a gun person, know how to shoot and are knowledgeable about guns, you are considered to be a member of the “elite” and are often welcomed into their society.


17 posted on 04/22/2011 7:38:51 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Is this the same ATF that illegally ran guns to the Mexican Cartel?


18 posted on 04/22/2011 8:25:35 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: JamesA; Condor51

Molon labe indeed.

Come take them...and then Welcome to Hell. More than happy to escort them there.

April 19, 1775 started off with an attempted gun confiscation too.

Didn’t work out so well for the Jackboot.


19 posted on 04/22/2011 8:39:05 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: marktwain

There’s no reason a brand new .38 revolver should cost more than $150. There’s just not that much to them.


20 posted on 04/22/2011 9:20:49 AM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: Mariner
There’s no reason a brand new .38 revolver should cost more than $150. There’s just not that much to them.

True. The dollar has been tremendously devalued.

21 posted on 04/22/2011 9:32:18 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
... A second, hidden serial number on every gun ...

Hidden, LoL!

22 posted on 04/22/2011 10:07:33 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks marktwain.
Gun control benefits the wealthiest Americans, by ensuring only they can afford guns.

23 posted on 04/22/2011 10:29:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

From my cold, dead hands, quisling Quigley. Bring it.


24 posted on 04/22/2011 12:56:29 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: relee

FWIW cars and trucks have had hidden VINS for something over three decades now. Quality firearms have had a second, internal serial for longer than that. It’s not a requirement in the case of firearms but it’s been trade practice since the import rule changes of 1968. And it’s good practice for owners to put their own mark internally on anything you have of value. I’ve seen it aid recovery many times. Remember it was the hidden VIN on the axle that helped find out whose truck was used to blow up the Murrah building in Okie City. But making it a federal requirement is a bridge too far.


25 posted on 04/22/2011 3:56:47 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: cherokee1

Yes, the vin plate on the axel helped to identify the truck in Oklahoma City but this congressman is trying to stop stolen gun trafficking. Has the practice of putting multiple vin numbers on autos stopped auto theft and trafficking?


26 posted on 04/22/2011 5:15:33 PM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: relee

Yeah, see, I’m not defending the moronic congressman who is plainly trying to raise the cost of firearms but to the extent that he wants a second hidden number on anything I’m pointing out that is not a bad idea, something an owner ought to do. In fact hidden vins on vehicles really cut into the stolen vehicle trade. The second number is in a place where modification is obvious. Now car thieves pretty much have to deal in parts rather than complete vehicles. And with both guns and cars I’m familiar with many examples of a second number aiding eventual recovery simply because the novice thief didn’t know about it.


27 posted on 04/23/2011 12:52:33 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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