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Senator Coburn takes on Norquist
Politico ^ | 4/24/2011 | Glenn Thrush

Posted on 04/24/2011 4:42:18 PM PDT by finerobert

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), arguably the most prominent fiscal conservative in the Senate, is declaring his independence from one of the country's leading anti-tax groups, Americans for Tax Reform - and its fiery founder, Grover Norquist.

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To: finerobert

Coburn must be a socialist if he is part of the gang of six.

He needs to go!


2 posted on 04/24/2011 4:44:07 PM PDT by stockpirate (Sarah, the time is NOW!. .....................Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: stockpirate

The Gang of Six is just six morons trying to get media attention. One of them being RINO Saxby Chambliss from GA.


3 posted on 04/24/2011 4:48:20 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: finerobert
"Which pledge is most important... the pledge to uphold your oath to the Constitution of the United States or a pledge from a special interest group who claims to speak for all American conservatives when, in fact, they really don't?" Coburn asked.

If Coburn is adamant about upholding his pledge to the Constitution, then he should have no problem eliminating all Unconstitutional federal agencies and Unconstitutional federal program not in compliance with any of the enumerated powers in Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution! Doing so will dramatically reduce the size and cost of government. Otherwise he is as phony as the rest of the OP(aka GOP) and the RATs.
4 posted on 04/24/2011 4:50:44 PM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: finerobert

When I see that name, “Gang of Six,” I know that no good will come from it. We’ve seen similar “bipartisan” groups before, mostly with heavy involvement of Juan Mccain. The very fact that they chose that name is ominous.


5 posted on 04/24/2011 4:50:49 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Defend Liberty

The fix is in. In exchange for more empty promises for spending cuts, the Republicans will cave on the debt ceiling and higher marginal tax rates. Plus they will agree to end the mortgage deduction for what is left of the middle class.

Meanwhile, the corporate statist elites will continue to fiddle while Rome is burning.


6 posted on 04/24/2011 4:53:06 PM PDT by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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To: finerobert

They’re not serious about cutting spending.

But we knew that when they settled for 38 billion. :(:(:(

Old boss, meet the new boss. :(:(:(


7 posted on 04/24/2011 5:06:57 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: stockpirate

Apparently you’re unfamiliar with Sen. Coburn, or his record. A socialist he is not.


8 posted on 04/24/2011 5:17:03 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: Tzimisce

Sen Coburn’s nickname is Dr. No because of his many stands saying No to frivolous spending. He has led the way in making budget cuts for YEARS.


9 posted on 04/24/2011 5:18:47 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: finerobert

Cut first. Wait two years, then talk about taxes.


10 posted on 04/24/2011 5:21:41 PM PDT by calico_thompson
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To: finerobert
Given Sen. Coburn's history, it seems prudent to wait until the proposal is released to start slinging stones.

From here:

Dr. Coburn is proposing to cut spending by $20 billion as the Senate debates the small business bill. He has filed the following eight amendments to S. 493 and looks forward to their adoption. Targets include ethanol, funding for PBS and duplications identified by GAO.

1. Eliminate funding for the ethanol subsidy: $4 billion.  (Amendment #220)

2. Eliminate funds for leftover earmarks: $4.8 billion. (Amendment #218)

3. Eliminate program duplications identified by GAO: $5 billion. (Amendment #273)

4. Eliminate unemployment payments to millionaires: $20 million.  (Amendment #281)

5. Reduce new car purchases by the government: $900 million. (Amendment #221)

6. Eliminate funds for ‘covered bridges’ program: $8.5 million. (Amendment #217)

7. Eliminate taxpayer subsidies for CPB: $550 million.  (Amendment #222)

8. Identifies, discloses, and describes every federal program. (Amendment #184)

9. Prohibits federal funds from being used to pay off TARP obligations.(Amendment #279)

11 posted on 04/24/2011 5:27:16 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: calico_thompson
Cut first. Wait two years, then talk about taxes.

If 45% of the wage earners pay no income taxes, is that fair to the rest who do?

12 posted on 04/24/2011 5:29:28 PM PDT by Puddleglum (dance with the horse that brung ya)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Well that puts me in a huge dilemma. Anyone that disses Glover bin Norquist deserves my highest respect and I can’t hold a RINO in high respect. Life’s decisions used to be so much easier. sigh.....


13 posted on 04/24/2011 5:30:39 PM PDT by chickenlips
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To: FourPeas

Maybe so, but he was also the one championing the “sit across the aisle” nonsense at the last SOTU address. Looks to me like he’s gone PC.
And frankly, whenever Republicans want to hold hands with the Rats on ANYTHING, I just want to grab my wallet and run.


14 posted on 04/24/2011 5:32:33 PM PDT by truthkeeper ( Life is a pre-existing condition - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: FourPeas

If Sen, Whoreburn is working with the gang of six, three of which are socialists then he is ONLY trying to advance their agenda.

I’ll bet he is a member of the CFR, yes, no.


15 posted on 04/24/2011 5:37:10 PM PDT by stockpirate (Sarah, the time is NOW!. .....................Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: chickenlips

I think Norquist is a steaming pile...

What a two faced corporate welfare shill... He gets a nice, cushy 501(c)3 exemption on his taxes...


16 posted on 04/24/2011 5:39:18 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: truthkeeper

bipartisan = twice as bad


17 posted on 04/24/2011 5:40:45 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: stockpirate

Senator Coburn is a great guy who has been very principled and solid on spending.

Alas, Washington is starting to wear on even him. “Getting along” starts to look like “selling out”

There are good reasons to reduce the tax loopholes and complex deductions, to reform to a simpler tax code, and allow a loer tax rate on a broader base. There is NOT ANY REASON to push for tax increases via ending deductions to close the deficit. Those deficits were created by over-spending and spending cuts is the only way to get back to balance. Tinkering with taxes is just a Dem excuse to avoid the necessary spending cuts.


18 posted on 04/24/2011 5:40:50 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks finerobert.
"Which pledge is most important... the pledge to uphold your oath to the Constitution of the United States or a pledge from a special interest group who claims to speak for all American conservatives when, in fact, they really don't?" Coburn asked. "The fact is we have enormous urgent problems in front of us that have to be addressed and have to be addressed in a way that will get 60 votes in the Senate... and something that the president will sign."

19 posted on 04/24/2011 5:42:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Soul of the South

“The fix is in. In exchange for more empty promises for spending cuts”

Well phrased. There are either ‘spending cuts’ that happen now or “empty promises’ that happen later ... then they break the promises they made last year.

The only spending cuts are NOW spending cuts.


20 posted on 04/24/2011 5:44:30 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: finerobert

“Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), arguably the most prominent fiscal conservative in the Senate”

I guess Sen Pat Toomey, Sen Rand Paul or Sen Pete Sessions will have to pick up that mantle now.


21 posted on 04/24/2011 5:47:37 PM PDT by WOSG (Carpe Diem)
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To: finerobert; Admin Moderator

Welcome to Free Republic!

FYI, it appears you posted more than the automatic excerpt filter allowed for Politico.com. In the future, please note that the automatic excerpter is used to keep Free Republic from lawsuits for reprinting more than is otherwise allowed by that specific website.


22 posted on 04/24/2011 5:58:04 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: chickenlips

Chambliss is a card carrying moron who couldn’t find his azz with both hands. He never met a Democrat sponsored bill he didn’t like. We are going to get rid of him next go around.


23 posted on 04/24/2011 6:01:15 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: chickenlips
Well that puts me in a huge dilemma. Anyone that disses Glover bin Norquist deserves my highest respect and I can’t hold a RINO in high respect. Life’s decisions used to be so much easier. sigh.....

+1 Bin Norquist is married to a muslim woman, that's the reason for his slide into their agenda.
24 posted on 04/24/2011 6:25:13 PM PDT by ph12321 (We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Go fourth and do good. DeRINO Georgia for the sake of us all.


25 posted on 04/24/2011 6:27:47 PM PDT by chickenlips
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
What a two faced corporate welfare shill... He gets a nice, cushy 501(c)3 exemption on his taxes...

I agree that Norquist is a steaming pile, but as far as taking advantage of a tax exemption, good for him. I wish I could. What's your problem with somebody paying less taxes? Comments like yours make me squint my eyes in suspicion.

26 posted on 04/24/2011 6:32:17 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: WOSG
I guess Sen Pat Toomey, Sen Rand Paul or Sen Pete Sessions will have to pick up that mantle now.

It won't be Toomey. That sick p.o.s. Toomey supports the sodomization of the US military.

27 posted on 04/24/2011 6:34:35 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: FourPeas
He has led the way in making budget cuts for YEARS.

You mean until now when we really need it.

Congress isn't serious. We knew that when they agreed 38 billion in cuts - a number that wouldn't cover one single day's overspending.

Now that there is a real push going on, we know who the really serious are and who the people just saying it are (people like Coburn).
28 posted on 04/24/2011 6:45:11 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: FourPeas

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) co-sponsored Sen. Claire McCaskill’s (D-MO) SR 511 (April 30, 2008) which was used to make Obama eligible, as well as McCain. Everyone who signed SR 511 is a traitor to America and the Constitution. That’s why Repubs won’t dare hold impeachment hearings, and why they continue to insist Obama was born in Hawaii, etc. etc.

Then, Dean forced Hillary’s delegates to switch their votes to Obama at the DNC. Coincidences or Conspiracy??? And don’t forget the secret meeting of Congress Mar. 12, 2008 which foretold America’s economic downfall. Who was calling those shots? Why won’t Congress tell? And the run on the banks?? All coincidences?? I think it was a coup designed to “fundamentally transform America.”

It will be a miracle if we get our country back. The Tea Parties are leading the way. RINO’s have to get out of the way.


29 posted on 04/24/2011 6:52:32 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: ph12321

G.W. Bush gave Norquist the responsibility of setting up an office in the WH for Muslims after 9/11. They were all scared s___less!!


30 posted on 04/24/2011 7:00:05 PM PDT by charlie72
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To: FourPeas

And lets not forget that Grover al-Norquist considers getting rid of the ethanol subsidy a tax.


31 posted on 04/24/2011 7:18:10 PM PDT by rmlew (No Blood for Sarkozy's re-election and Union for the Mediterranean)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; stockpirate

Neither one of you have a clue....


32 posted on 04/24/2011 7:22:39 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I knew what I was feeling, but what was I thinking!)
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To: Lancey Howard

The 501(c)3 tax exempt corporation is corporate welfare...

Sierra Club, Greenpeace, ACLU, SEIU, NPR, PBS, GLESN, PFLAG, CAIR and every other alphabet soup, leftist nutjob group you can name is a 501(C)3.


33 posted on 04/24/2011 7:24:33 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: Lancey Howard

Anyone, including Norquist, who takes up the faggot agenda is a leftist scum and cannot be trusted.


34 posted on 04/24/2011 7:26:41 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: stockpirate; Tzimisce

You need to do further research. Your ignorance is showing.


35 posted on 04/24/2011 7:34:33 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: charlie72

Considering that SR511 rested on McCain being born to TWO American parents stationed abroad in service to the military, the idea that the same is used to make Obama eligible is nuts.

Surely you don’t think that children born abroad to American citizens serving in the military shouldn’t be eligible to hold the office of US president?


36 posted on 04/24/2011 7:50:23 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas

Not socialist, but lately looking too much like a McCainac. I do know his record.


37 posted on 04/24/2011 8:17:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (Almost everything I post is Sarcastic, since I have no sense of humor about lying politicians.)
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To: WOSG

Coburn also endorsed McCain in 2008.


38 posted on 04/24/2011 8:55:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: stockpirate
An enemy of Norquist is a friend of the US.

Norquist is human scum.

39 posted on 04/24/2011 9:08:50 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Cicero

The Treason Media hung that tag on them.


40 posted on 04/24/2011 9:26:39 PM PDT by arrogantsob
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To: stockpirate
"Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), arguably the most prominent fiscal conservative in the Senate....."

Does the "fiscal conservative mean that the good doctor is not pro-life?

I'm very concerned whenever I learn that any GOP is part of a "bi-partisan" anything - that always means "sell out" to genuine conservatives.

41 posted on 04/24/2011 9:32:22 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Scum is correct. grover norquist,.... agenda setter, lobbyist, fund raiser and overall heavy hitter for the muslim terrorist front group here in America. c.a.i.r. (He was also a long time nra board member, if you can believe that! And the nra knew all along of his anti-American work and kept him installed!!!). norquist is the most vile of America haters.


42 posted on 04/24/2011 9:50:52 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bobby.223

He’s still on the board of the NRA, as well as the GOProud. He pushes for the creation of a Palestinian State, and was for the 911 trade center mosque.

If Jack Abramoff was guilty, then so was Grover Norquist. They partnered together.

He’s a financial guy, who sticks his nose everywhere it doesn’t belong.

Overall, he has some good and bad qualities, but I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.


43 posted on 04/24/2011 10:09:22 PM PDT by ph12321 (We must, indeed, all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: ph12321

Are you sure he is still on the nra’s board ph? Last I heard he did not seek office the last election cycle. Gotta disagree with ya tho.....norquist has no good qualities. He activley works for the destruction of America from within by his c.a.i.r. duties. He is 100% pro muslim, married to one and hopes to see their islamic ‘death cult’s continued inroads here in our Country. He is scum period. The nra can go take a leap also.


44 posted on 04/24/2011 10:39:39 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: stockpirate

“Whoreburn”? Really? This coming from a poster claiming Maryland as their choice of residence. Bwa-ha-ha-ha!!


45 posted on 04/24/2011 11:35:49 PM PDT by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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To: charlie72
That’s why Repubs won’t dare hold impeachment hearings,

You want to know the REAL reason that the Repubs don't hold impeachment hearings? Because they are not that STUPID. Removal through impeachment requires a 2/3 majority; and they couldn't even get 50 votes to remove boy clinton when it was an open and shut case on the charges of perjury and obstruction of justice. To even suggest holding hearings for Zero -- when there is no chance of even getting impeachment voted out of the House, let alone getting even a majority in the Senate -- would be a colossal waste of time, and would send a message to the voters that the GOP doesn't have any kind of plan or agenda to legislatively reverse the course of this disastrous administration.

46 posted on 04/25/2011 7:12:38 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: kabar
Coburn also endorsed McCain in 2008.

McCain was, unfortunately, the GOP Candidate in 2008. While I would have much preferred Fred Thompson as our candidate, his campaign never got off the ground. So other than Fred, who (among those who had any reasonable shot at the nomination) was your choice and received your endorsement? Romney? Guiliani? Huckabee? (Those are pretty much your only choices.)

47 posted on 04/25/2011 7:16:24 AM PDT by VRWCmember (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: YankeeinOkieville

Tour only retort is an alinsky attack that I live in MD.

How sad and stupid you must be.


48 posted on 04/25/2011 7:22:30 AM PDT by stockpirate (if they vote for socialism they're socialists duh.......Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: VRWCmember
Coburn selected McCain out of all the nominees you mentioned, including Fred Thompson, my choice. I confronted Coburn in SC during the primaries. I asked him outside a McCain rally why he would support someone who supported amnesty. He told me that he had a promise from McCain that he would not try to pass an amnesty if elected. I expressed my disappointment in his endorsement.

I spent three weeks in SC following the McCain campaign demonstrating against him on the issue of amnesty along with a number of my fellow grassroots group from VA. We also spent three weeks in FL demonstrating against McCain.

I lost a lot of respect for Coburn after he endorsed McCain. Coburn likes to get on his moral high horse to show how principled and patriotic he is. The reality is that he has feet of clay and is just as corrupt as the rest of them. His participation on the President's budget commission and vote in favor of its results plus being a member of the Gang of Six concern me. We are going to get tax hikes in the form of abolishing "loopholes." Congress will continue its profligate spending as long as we have enablers like Coburn.

49 posted on 04/25/2011 7:27:22 AM PDT by kabar
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To: stockpirate

pot meet kettle


50 posted on 04/25/2011 9:50:08 AM PDT by YankeeinOkieville (Obamanation [oh-bom-uh-nay-shuhn] n. -- ignorance and arrogance in the highest offices)
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