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BMW North America CEO: Electric vehicles "won't work for most people"
Autoblog Green ^ | 04/25/2011 | Eric Loveday

Posted on 04/26/2011 12:13:47 PM PDT by AKSurprise

BMW North America chairman and chief executive officer, Jim O'Donnell, told the Detroit News that he's "far more optimistic" about diesel vehicles boosting the automaker's U.S. market share than electric vehicles (EVs) and added that the U.S. government should cancel its $7,500 tax credit for electrified autos:

"I believe in a free economy. I think we should abolish all tax credits. What they are doing is putting a bet on technology, which is not appropriate. As a taxpayer, I am not sure this is the right way to go."

But that's not all that O'Donnell had to say. The CEO continued on, reportedly telling the Detroit News that:

"[EVs] won't work for most people. For at least 90 percent and maybe more of the population, [an EV] won't work [at the current battery range]."

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KEYWORDS: bmw; economy; electric; electricvehicles; envirofascism; environment; ev; failure; freeeconomy; globalwarming; obama; taxcredits
They're happy to sell you an electric vehicle if it makes you "FEEL" better, but they're aware it accomplishes nothing. I can't really blame a business for wanting to make money, but it would be nice of them to inform their potential customers that buying an EV is actually making a pointless investment..
1 posted on 04/26/2011 12:13:51 PM PDT by AKSurprise
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To: AKSurprise
BMW North America CEO: Electric vehicles "won't work for most people..."

They won't work for most people who actually have to drive them.

For the people who still drive fossil-fuel powered cars, trucks, and SUVs, they're great.

Just watch what the politicians drive. Then you'll know what "works."

2 posted on 04/26/2011 12:20:06 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: AKSurprise
BMW North America CEO: Electric vehicles "won't work for most people..."

They won't work for most people who actually have to drive them.

For the people who still drive fossil-fuel powered cars, trucks, and SUVs, they're great.

Just watch what the politicians drive. Then you'll know what "works."

3 posted on 04/26/2011 12:20:23 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: AKSurprise

With most of the electricity being coal generated - I fail to see the advantage of an electric vehicle. Maybe later if enough alternative energy gets put in place. Whenever that might be.


4 posted on 04/26/2011 12:24:23 PM PDT by handmade
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To: AKSurprise

Generally I see electric vehicles filling a secondary spot in a family dynamic.

The main family vehicle should be able to go long distances. The need for a secondary car may easily be fulfilled by an electric with a forty mile range.

If it gets you to and from your local job or the local grocery store, that’s basically all you need for a second car.

I think the manufactures and the purchasing public place too much emphasis on this type of car being able to go great distances.

Most families have two cars these days. They very seldom drive the second car long distances. One car generally dominates.

Perhaps one day an electric will be able to go long range. Until then I see nothing wrong with a short-hop model.

As long as it is priced right, and makes economic sense, stands on it’s own merits, then I’m all for it.


6 posted on 04/26/2011 12:27:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The only thing higher than Obama's chin, is his ass facing West five times a day.)
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To: AKSurprise

Last week I drove from In to Ms to pick up a tractor that I found on-line with exactly the options I wanted. As I was driving back I thought about if my kids could do what I was doing when they get to be my age.

I thought about them having to have an electric or hybrid car and relying on someone else to have to do all the moving and towing, being dependent on others for anything larger than a dresser or heavier than hot water tank.

I hate being a pessimist but those were some depressing miles when I was thinking about that.


7 posted on 04/26/2011 12:27:20 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: AKSurprise
For me, an electric vehicle might work. All my family works and goes to school very close to home. Then we have a big car for road trips. But what happens if someone changes jobs and kids go to college? Or if the other car dies? I need the electric car to become more flexible... right now it is too much money for a single purpose vehicle.
8 posted on 04/26/2011 12:27:22 PM PDT by 11th Commandment (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: AKSurprise
EV’s have been around for a long time; they've never overcome the short range...the only place they seem to work is the golf course. If you were to make them AC and send the signal through the air as Tesla suggested I think they might come into vogue
9 posted on 04/26/2011 12:29:36 PM PDT by jrd
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To: AKSurprise

I get lucky remembering to plug in my phone at night. An electric car would guarantee a lot of walking for me.


10 posted on 04/26/2011 12:30:27 PM PDT by mmercier
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To: AKSurprise

What happens when you run out of juice on the road? You can’t just walk to the nearest gas station with a gas can.


11 posted on 04/26/2011 12:33:26 PM PDT by Spruce
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To: AKSurprise

A few years ago I read an article about gasoline being “the perfect fuel”.

.... Haven’t been able to find it....

But I’ve tried....


12 posted on 04/26/2011 12:33:48 PM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: AKSurprise

Failure hasn’t stopped the left from implementing their agenda yet.


13 posted on 04/26/2011 12:42:25 PM PDT by Only1choice____Freedom (FDR had the New Deal. President 0bama has the Raw Deal.)
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To: jrd
If you were to make them AC and send the signal through the air as Tesla suggested I think they might come into vogue.

Oh that's just great! So now I'm going to have to wear a tin foil helmet outside as well. Are we all going to have enough aluminum for everyone? I think not!

14 posted on 04/26/2011 12:42:41 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Spruce
What happens when you run out of juice on the road? You can’t just walk to the nearest gas station with a gas can.

How about on Highway 50 in Nevada, the "Lonelist Highway in America." Hundreds of miles of pavement with no services of any kind (no gas, no food, no water). Of course the DC types have never driven on a road like that in the West and have no clue (or don't care).

15 posted on 04/26/2011 12:48:05 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: AKSurprise
Everybody should read the comments. They afford an illustrative tour of the liberal mind -- "green" variety.

Thirty-eight comments...and thirty-eight demands that the BMW exec be silenced (and worse).

It's as if liberals don't have any defense against a contrary opinion other than...shutting them up.

Striking. And telling.

16 posted on 04/26/2011 12:49:57 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: AKSurprise

Then how about a Hybrid version of the Mustang, Camaro or Challenger that gets 40+ mpg?


17 posted on 04/26/2011 12:52:35 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: AKSurprise

Then how about a Hybrid version of the Mustang, Camaro or Challenger that gets 40+ mpg?


18 posted on 04/26/2011 12:53:47 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: AKSurprise

This is in contrast from VW CEO Martin Winterkorn, who said last year that battery technology has advanced fast enough that by 2020 a vehicle about the size of the current VW Golf hatchback and using a battery pack only slightly larger than the gas tank in the Golf could go 800 km (497 miles) on a single charge and recharge time for the battery pack would be around 15 minutes at a commercial DC connection charger. If Winterkorn’s prediction becomes reality, that would truly be the beginning of the end of the age of personal vehicles fueled by gasoline and diesel fuel.


19 posted on 04/26/2011 12:54:33 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: handmade

Our transmission systems’ neighborhood transformers are not sized to be able to have everyone charging EVs at night. They are undersized on purpose and require time at night to cool down when usage is normally lower. EVs destroy the ability to cool down at night and those neighborhood transformers are going to overheat and fry.


20 posted on 04/26/2011 12:57:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: jrd

I don’t want government with their hand on that switch that can turn off the A/C signal whenever it wants to.

Or that can tell the private company to turn it off. Same thing.


21 posted on 04/26/2011 12:59:26 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: AKSurprise

Electric vehicles won’t work for everyone. Really?

But I thought all consumer products had to work for everyone.

You mean a 900 sq ft studio Manhattan apartment won’t work for a farmer in Kansas? You mean a 500 HP cigar boat wont work for a fisherman trolling on a small river or lake? You mean cigarettes don’t work for people who don’t smoke and liquor doesn’t work for people who don’t drink?

Hello!

There may be a market for electric cars in dense urban areas for people who have a short daily commute. Most denser urban areas are on the coast where they don’t experience the range killing cold you get in North Dakota.

It is not necessary for EVs to sell 14 million units annually to all people. There is a market for EVs for some people in some places. So fill the market and the people who can’t or won’t use them won’t buy them. Presto. Problem solved.

I am not one of thoes anti-electric vehicle Freepers that want to bash them at every turn because of their severe current limitations. I say, bring it on. They are quiet and torquey and give us more options for powering them, including giving us a reason to build many new nuclear power plants.

In the meantime, the technology is very new and immature. Batteries, range and charging time will all improve over time as the market grows.

In the meantime, if you want a gasoline or diesel powered car or truck, great. It doens’t hurt you for some people to drive electric vehicles. It helps you have less competition for gasoline and diesel, lowering prices. The more EVs not competing for refined crude oil, the lower the prices your gasoline and diesel will be, all things being equal.

While we are at it, how about natural gas powered cars as well.

I don’t see a problem here.


22 posted on 04/26/2011 1:12:04 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: AKSurprise

I visited Germany in 2008 for a week and had a diesel Volkswagen Passat. It did very well with mileage and pickup on the autobahn.


23 posted on 04/26/2011 1:12:42 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: AKSurprise
I predict: “The next “green” car will run on fillet Mignon, a toowtally reliable and renewable fuel source. (Might have to be subsidized...)
24 posted on 04/26/2011 1:15:41 PM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: AKSurprise

As long as we are talking EVs and the consumer market it caters to, GM is finding that Chevy Volt owners are going 1000 miles between gasoline fill-ups.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5276199-Chevy-Volt-Owners-Average-1-000-Miles-Between-Fill-Ups-in-March

Remember all the hate here about people only being able to drive 40 miles in a Volt, and less in the cold? Well, guess what. The people who actually own Chevy Volts bought one to minimize their gas purchase and are succeeding in doing so, going 1000 miles between fill ups.

Just because it won’t two your 5th wheel or you live in Bismark, don’t pretend there isn’t a STRONG market for some people in some places. There is no one right vehicle for everybody. EVs are just another choice and a good one for people with short commutes in dense urban areas. I used to commute in downtown San Francisco, 6 miles to work in back. I burned a lot of gas just idling at the 30 stops I had to make each way, not to mention traveling at only 25-30mph most of the commute. An EV would not be using any electricity at those stops, unlike a car or truck where your engine idles constantly when you are not moving.

San Francisco is a perfect market for an EV for someone witih a short daily commute over those congested, slow roads with dozens of stops. I would have loved to have had a Chevy Volt commuting in San Francisco.


25 posted on 04/26/2011 1:20:46 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (Don't confuse Obama's evil for incompetence.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Exactly right, so many people have no clue as to what would happen in the real world if EV’s went over fast and big.


26 posted on 04/26/2011 1:21:39 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Spruce

Hey, you could start a business by offering roadside charging for them.

Pull up in a big diesel rig they can plug into, then smile while your rigs’ exhaust blows into their fresh air intake during the charging.


27 posted on 04/26/2011 1:27:10 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Well, that’s exactly what the much ballyhoo’d “smart grid” is intended to do regardless of what your local utility tells you.


28 posted on 04/26/2011 1:27:44 PM PDT by technically right
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To: AKSurprise
"...buying an EV is actually making a pointless investment..."

I disagree. I you can afford different vehicles, having one to run quick errands and leaving the 454 powered Suburban, with the 11" lift, at home, makes sense.

29 posted on 04/26/2011 1:28:46 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: moehoward

I=If


30 posted on 04/26/2011 1:29:26 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Covenantor

are you wearing one now! Think radio signal


31 posted on 04/26/2011 1:37:29 PM PDT by jrd
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To: Secret Agent Man
don't reelect anyone
32 posted on 04/26/2011 1:39:16 PM PDT by jrd
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To: AKSurprise

I was just checking out the crazy libtard comments. Wow, they actually believe this nonsense about ‘solutions’...


33 posted on 04/26/2011 1:42:14 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Oh, please, “hate”?

Nobody around here “hates” Volts or their owners. We hate the government subsidizing them, and we hate that we can’t even get affordable power by building nuclear plants, drilling, and building more refineries, because of envirowackos and their crazy demands.


34 posted on 04/26/2011 1:43:57 PM PDT by Politicalmom ("We are an 'entitlement' society and we need to move towards being an 'empowerment' society"-H. Cain)
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To: mmercier

Good point. My phone is always “about to die”. Thankfully the cats NEVER fail in their cries pokes and scratches to be fed, lol.


35 posted on 04/26/2011 1:51:20 PM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: RayChuang88

Not necessarily in contrast. The BMW guy did say “with current battery technology.” Perhaps he knows a different timeline.


36 posted on 04/26/2011 1:52:09 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (President Obama's approval ratings are so low now, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the US)
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To: AKSurprise

Most Euros don’t understand just how large the U.S. is.


37 posted on 04/26/2011 2:28:07 PM PDT by dljordan ("His father's sword he hath girded on, And his wild harp slung behind him")
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To: AKSurprise

Electric vehicles certainly won’t work in extreme cold (northern US) or at high altitudes. The cold would murder the batteries, and it would be impossible to get up the passes and to remote gas stations.

People at high altitudes will continue to need at least four-wheel-drive vehicles with six cylinders, and as the economy goes, old ones, rebuilt repeatedly.


38 posted on 04/26/2011 2:32:57 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: 11th Commandment

That’s his point. A family might have an urban commuter car with lower range, and another car, maybe SUV for those long family trips.

Electric is not flexible enough for all transportation uses.
Its not sensible to subsidize it.


39 posted on 04/26/2011 2:39:38 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Secret Agent Man
"Our transmission systems’ neighborhood transformers are not sized to be able to have everyone charging EVs at night."

Yes, and combine that with the long blackout periods after the big default. They're not planning for everyone to be driving electric cars. Be frugal, become more self-sufficient and learn to produce a few necessities.


40 posted on 04/26/2011 2:40:52 PM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: moehoward; AKSurprise
moehoward replied:
"I disagree. I you can afford different vehicles, having one to run quick errands and leaving the 454 powered Suburban, with the 11" lift, at home, makes sense."

There's no reason to leave a Jeep Cherokee with a stroked engine at home, though (4.7 strokers getting 22-23 mpg).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjmoo-1ZOqY


41 posted on 04/26/2011 2:59:55 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

No posi? What a rookie....


42 posted on 04/26/2011 3:02:50 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: handmade
With most of the electricity being coal generated - I fail to see the advantage of an electric vehicle.

The advantage...........can't see the coal power plant from my house, therefore it does not exist......../S

43 posted on 04/26/2011 3:11:18 PM PDT by Lockbox (`)
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To: moehoward
"No posi? What a rookie...."

That was a make-specific brand name thing. I've built rear ends with various kinds of lockers and limited slips. Was this the sort of thing you were looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkqu6QXGrq4

Some of the better built 4.7s will do much better than that (4WDs, no braking required). A better use is gas savings with much more torque for passing on highways (and especially going up passes with supplies).


44 posted on 04/26/2011 3:24:41 PM PDT by familyop ("Nice girl, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." --Foghorn Leghorn)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

The problem is that government is subsidizing it. I have no problem with a properly priced electric vehicle sans rebates.

The reason you don’t see it is because the market for these vehicles without rebates is pratically non-existant.


45 posted on 04/26/2011 4:10:25 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Replied Henny Penny, "The sky is falling, and we must go to tell the king.")
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To: Lockbox

Yep- out of sight, don’t worry about it.


46 posted on 04/26/2011 7:11:46 PM PDT by handmade
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To: NonValueAdded
I know that within the next few years, we'll see two major battery technology improvements:

1. Lithium-ion batteries will get new, high-density designs that could up the storage capacity by a factor of four or higher.

2. The arrival of ultracapacitor batteries built from high-density carbon nanotubes also means very high density storage and fast charging ability, since by definition capacitors charge way faster than conventional batteries.

That's why with continuing improvements, VW CEO Winterkorn's suggestion of a VW Golf-sized hatchback going 800 km (497 miles) on a single charge and be recharged in 15 minutes from a commercial DC charging station may not be such a far-fetched idea.

47 posted on 04/27/2011 11:21:05 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: BenKenobi

The government subsidizes oil, too.


48 posted on 04/27/2011 5:11:00 PM PDT by RightCenter
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To: RightCenter

Before or after they slap gas taxes?


49 posted on 04/27/2011 6:09:35 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Replied Henny Penny, "The sky is falling, and we must go to tell the king.")
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