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Who Parents the Parents? San Fransisco Set to Ban Infant Circumcision
David Horowitz's NewsReal Blog ^ | April 27, 2011 | Walter Hudson

Posted on 04/29/2011 1:32:38 PM PDT by Walter Scott Hudson

The practice of infant circumcision, which carries particular religious significance for Jews, may be outlawed later this year in San Fransisco. A ballot initiative is underway which would ask voters whether to prohibit the practice in November.

The proposed new law would make it a misdemeanor to circumcise a person before they are 18-years-old.

"We don't come at this from a religious angle," Lloyd Schofield told the San Francisco Examiner. "We feel this is a very harmful thing. Parents are guardians. They are not owners of children. It's a felony to tattoo a child."

The effort is being taken seriously in light of last year's ban of toys in McDonald's Happy Meals. That move was enacted by the San Fransisco Board of Supervisors and provoked even leftist commentator Jon Stewart to call the city a "nanny state."

How about it? Should parents be able to circumcise their children? May San Fransisco rightfully restrict the practice? Is Schofield correct when he says parents are only guardians, and "not owners of children?"

Whether parents should circumcise their children, or get them tattooed, or do any of a million other things is dependent upon the answer to another question. In general, whose business is it to make these kinds of decisions? Who tells you, as an adult, whether you can get circumcised, or tattooed, or have your ears pierced? You get to make those decisions, because you own yourself. No one gave you your life and your body. Therefore, no one has a claim over what you do with it.

We all agree, I hope, that children are a special case. They cannot be allowed to fully direct their own lives, because they lack the requisite competence...

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Local News; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: circumcision; democrats; health; liberalfascism; liberals; moralabsolutes; nannystate; parentalrights; progressives; sanfransisco

1 posted on 04/29/2011 1:32:41 PM PDT by Walter Scott Hudson
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

It’s SF. What do you expect? They are already a laughing stock. It’s not like you can’t leave the city to get this stuff done.

Better yet, leave the city, period.


2 posted on 04/29/2011 1:42:30 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

Emperor Hadrian tried to prohibit the practice of circumcision. It led to a bloody revolt in Judea. I suspect the Jews in San Fran won’t rise up.


3 posted on 04/29/2011 1:43:06 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

If this passes then don’t expect sympathy or anything else when the big one hits.


4 posted on 04/29/2011 1:46:41 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

Will the last hetero couple, who want to raise children, to leave San Francisco please...leave the lights on...stick the remainder with a big bill.


5 posted on 04/29/2011 1:47:23 PM PDT by hattend (How much do you have to invest in the future before you've spent it and no longer have one? - Steyn)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
Phillistines.
6 posted on 04/29/2011 1:47:52 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

And San Franciscans wonder why the city is devoid of children.


7 posted on 04/29/2011 1:49:53 PM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...”


8 posted on 04/29/2011 1:50:33 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Berlin_Freeper

9 posted on 04/29/2011 1:52:55 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

The left will argue that if you allow circumcision for males, then you have to allow it for females under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. The Muslim community will demand it in the continuing push for Sharia law to have a de facto legitimacy in the US.

The left will attack and dismiss the argument that female circumcision is a barbaric, horrific and debilitating mutilation and thus is different from male circumcision. But they will also use it to argue that outlawing all circumcision is the only way to ensure that female genital mutilation doesn’t have to be made legal under the US Constitution.


10 posted on 04/29/2011 1:57:55 PM PDT by Maceman (Obama -- he's as American as nasi goreng)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

If the unborn child is a boy, will aborting him count as “circumcision” under the proposed San Francisco legislation?

Will they give abortion the same minimum age as getting male circumcision?

(crickets chirping by the bay)


11 posted on 04/29/2011 1:58:17 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!")
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
That is one procedure I would not want to go through at age 18.

I knew a coworker who claimed he was circumcised at age 18 after he enlisted in the Army. Supposedly all infantry during WWII had to be since they didn't know when the next bath or shower was going to take place once in combat. Don't know if this is still the case.

12 posted on 04/29/2011 2:03:37 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
That is one procedure I would not want to go through at age 18.

I knew a coworker who claimed he was circumcised at age 18 after he enlisted in the Army. Supposedly all infantry during WWII had to be since they didn't know when the next bath or shower was going to take place once in combat. Don't know if this is still the case.

13 posted on 04/29/2011 2:03:46 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
That is one procedure I would not want to go through at age 18.

I knew a coworker who claimed he was circumcised at age 18 after he enlisted in the Army. Supposedly all infantry during WWII had to be since they didn't know when the next bath or shower was going to take place once in combat. Don't know if this is still the case.

14 posted on 04/29/2011 2:03:57 PM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
"We don't come at this from a religious angle," Lloyd Schofield told the San Francisco Examiner.

I guess that makes it OK to constitutionally deny religious freedom then?

15 posted on 04/29/2011 2:06:59 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
Ah, I found the problem.

Look guys, could you please get your minyans out of the way so that God can deal with Sodom over there?

Shalom

16 posted on 04/29/2011 2:12:37 PM PDT by Buggman (returnofbenjamin.wordpress.com - Baruch haBa b'Shem ADONAI!)
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To: Maceman
The left will argue that if you allow circumcision for males, then you have to allow it for females under the Equal Protection Clause of the Constitution. The Muslim community will demand it in the continuing push for Sharia law to have a de facto legitimacy in the US.

Would the Muslim community do that? I thought female circumcision was a cultural practice common in North Africa areas dominated by Islam, but not a practice required by Islam.

17 posted on 04/29/2011 2:16:52 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Governor Romney, why would any conservative vote for the author of the beta version of ObamaCare?)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

This is San Francisco, so there is an easy way around this proposed law: if the cops bust in while you’re doing the circumcising, just tell them that it was a botched late-term abortion.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 2:32:31 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

WTF??? I didn’t circumcise my sons, but it should be THE PARENTS’ RIGHT...NOT THE F’ING GOVERNMENT!!!!


19 posted on 04/29/2011 2:49:26 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Palin/Bachman 2012 (what will the NAGS say??? :-) ))
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To: outpostinmass2

My dad fought in WW2 and he surely wasn’t circumcised. I don’t think that really came into vogue until after the war.


20 posted on 04/29/2011 3:00:04 PM PDT by panzerkamphwageneinz (HALLELUJAH)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
We don't come at this from a religious angle. We feel this is a very harmful thing. Parents are guardians. They are not owners of children.

And as a "guardian" of my children, I feel freak faggotry is a very harmful thing.

It should be banned in public, or anywhere a child MAY be present.

21 posted on 04/29/2011 3:00:21 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Beat me, Bite me...Make Me Write Bad Checks)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

You know it’s not about the infant’s rights, since they applaude late term abortion and have no problem mutilating an unborn fetus inside the womb. Now they prickle over, the practice of circumcision.

Last existing families get out before the big one.

Can’t say what’s really on my mind over there real motives...


22 posted on 04/29/2011 3:01:12 PM PDT by hope_dies_last
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
This is so stupid it makes my hair hurt. The only result will be the complete shutdown of all San Francisco Hospital's birthing facilities with a corresponding loss of income to the city. Palo Alto is not far away. You are not going to change parents choices this respect, it is religious and tradition based.

You have to be a real moron to be on the Board of Stupidvisors.

23 posted on 04/29/2011 3:07:25 PM PDT by oncebitten (Re: Obama: "I could carve a better man out of a banana." T. Roosevelt)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
This is so stupid it makes my hair hurt. The only result will be the complete shutdown of all San Francisco Hospital's birthing facilities with a corresponding loss of income to the city. Palo Alto is not far away. You are not going to change parents choices this respect, it is religious and tradition based.

You have to be a real moron to be on the Board of Stupidvisors.

24 posted on 04/29/2011 3:07:57 PM PDT by oncebitten (Re: Obama: "I could carve a better man out of a banana." T. Roosevelt)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
Parents should have the choice of circumcising one's child.

Still, circumcision is nothing more than unnecessary surgery.

This is not as far out there as banning toys in Happy Meals, IMO.

25 posted on 04/29/2011 3:11:39 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

As an interesting cultural note, I was talking to an Arab Druze from Lebanon. His father took him and his brother to Saudi Arabia during the revolution so they wouldn’t get hurt. While in Saudi, the father took him to a doctor who discovered he hadn’t been circumcised. He said the doctor went nuts and insisted on doing the operation on him and his brother right there in his office. The father, who was also uncircumcised, said nothing and got away without being circumcised himself.

So much for parental input in Saudi Arabia.


26 posted on 04/29/2011 3:16:46 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

Sodomy is a greater health risk than circumcision.


27 posted on 04/29/2011 3:21:54 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Impeach Obama & try him for treason / Homosexuals reject diversity / Unions finally caught for theft)
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To: Maceman

The problem with that argument, if the left tries to use it, is female “circumcision” is actually a clitorectomy, with multiple organs removed and then a sewing up of the opening leaving only a tiny hole for urine to pass out. That does not compare to male circumcision.


28 posted on 04/29/2011 3:35:52 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson
If you live in SF and have a baby boy in San Jose can you get him circumcised? or will you arrested when you go home?
29 posted on 04/29/2011 6:41:06 PM PDT by 20yearvet (they yell for more tests as long as its your money)
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