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Washington Times report: Newly released Obama birth certificate forensic forgery
Examiner.com ^ | April 29, 2011 | Alfred Lambremont Webre

Posted on 04/30/2011 9:44:49 AM PDT by patlin

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To: EDINVA
August 4, 1961 was a Friday. According to the released BC, Obama was born that evening after 7pm. Even assuming the paperwork at the hospital was completed immediately for both Obama and the Nordyke twins, which is a function of the hospital staff, the attending physician, and the mother, it would not be handled by the registrar’s office until the following Monday at the earliest.

Contrary to what the COLB says, there is NO EVIDENCE of Obozo being born at that hospital, at any time. And NO EIDENCE of Stanley Ann Dunham/aka Obama ever delivering at that hospital. So, I believe he was born elsewhere. Where? God (and a few others) knows. The listing of the hospital as the birth place was given because the "first exam" of the newborn was purportedly done there.

151 posted on 04/30/2011 11:43:12 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: ml/nj
When Obama returned as well as when he became of age, the laws were specific. One was required to renounce one or the other. Either by the American parent of the child upon return to the US or by the child upon the coming of age. The fact that Obama’s bio father was British was well known, but the adoption by the Indonesian was not & thus Obama can not let this be known & thus the obfuscation about releasing his birth records, then finally releasing ones that were blatantly forged.
152 posted on 04/30/2011 11:43:18 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

This place is getting as nutty as DU.


153 posted on 04/30/2011 11:43:39 AM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: Mr. K; piytar; Signalman

I didn’t get multi-layers. I got an image with as much text as the OCR could pick up. It is one of the best OCR packages that I have seen and comes with the HP Officejet 6500.

We should all do experiments with our software and scanners and report back the results. Maybe, we can figure out the software and scanner the incompetent Obama Whitehorse of the Apocalypse is using.

Here is the scanned text;

CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH
:~BEl151
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH 61106-11
(’J7pe or prlal)
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, II
TltI. Blrda ‘.t( Mo. ••
August
Day Yeai’
4 1961
6085 Kalanianaole Highway
OBAMA
9. __ 01 Father
African ·1
a. FaU Name 01Father
BARACK HUSSEIN
YeeD No~
Ale 01 Father 11. Birth~ (11kftd, State•••••••••• Coouwy)12a.
25 enya, East Africa -r
u••••o.-p.alon
Student
l2Io. KIadof Baoi•••••• or I,..,...,.
Universit.y ..,
Full Maldm Name 01 Mother
STANLEY DUNHAM
14. __ 01 Mother
Caucasian
Ale 01 Mother 16. Blrthpr- (flkftd, Sa •••• FO.ejp eo-..,.
(.. Type 01 Oeeapall_ Oatolde H_e IhoriDgPIqJIWIq’ 1”,. 0- Lal Worked
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19k. IbIe of SlpMare
MJ!t1;§ f) j ~I Other
20. o.te AeeepIed.,. L.eaI ft•• 21.
AUG -8 1961 ~
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23. E,,/dftoee for DeJared FUl•• or Alaeralioa
APR 25 2011
I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COpy OR
ABSTRACT (w -mE RECORD ON FILE IN
THE HAWAII STATE OEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
~ T O~I “Ph ..D.
~TAlE REGISTRAR


154 posted on 04/30/2011 11:43:45 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: little jeremiah
spend you valuable and precious human life focusing on the non-issue and telling us to not focus on it! Why are you even on this thread telling me to “move on”?

Wow, spending my precious and human life on this topic, TFF, I, if anything, get a kick, slapping you idiots into TODAY not last week...why aren't you focusing on Obama and how great he is, instead you trash posters for speaking there mind LOL grow a pair, get a clue and start working towards improving this country and not bulling me. LOL
155 posted on 04/30/2011 11:45:34 AM PDT by SouthDixie (The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly and lie about your age.)
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To: TexasCajun

Obama was never a NBC, but that is NOT why he is hiding his docs. It ALL has to do with the Indonesian father.


156 posted on 04/30/2011 11:45:58 AM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
The real interesting part is if it will stand.

The really, really interesting part is on whose side will the armed forces stand? The government's or the People and Constitution?

157 posted on 04/30/2011 11:46:38 AM PDT by stboz
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To: piytar; cartan
Just curious — did it create some color layers and some purely black and white layers when you duplicated it?

Not pure black. If I set the black level properly in the scan or afterwards (I usually do it afterwards, then black would be pure black. On the Obama Cert the black in many places has a color cast. I just sampled one area and got: 27/45/31 (RGB). Pure black would be 0/0/0.

I'm baffled by the lack of chromatic aberration myself. This is not quite the same as monochrome. It is color fringes around sharp edges caused by lens distortion.

If it is a photocopy on safety paper as claimed by one official, there should be aberration and I don't see any. I have thought that perhaps the photocopier has a set amount of aberration reduction. I can do this easily in photo editing software, I don't know about copiers.

I'm pinging cartan in case he (she?) has anything else to add on this.

thanks for your post.

158 posted on 04/30/2011 11:47:32 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: FreeAtlanta
I think this "I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COpy OR ABSTRACT" is the legalize key that will let the Obama, Hawaii and the Obama administration continue to defraud us without actually, "legally lying" to us. Hawaii needs to let the media in to photograph the original document.
159 posted on 04/30/2011 11:49:31 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: Blue Highway

Did you look at the birth certificate?


160 posted on 04/30/2011 11:51:10 AM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: FreeAtlanta
What are you using? I just tried with my hp officejet 6500.

For the Obama file, just open the PDF in Illustrator to see the layers. For my file I'm using CanoScan 8400F. The key is to scan to, or convert to, PDF, then open in illustrator. Even a jpeg will create a couple of layers this way. Open a more complex scanned file and you'll see the layers, named the same way (and grouped as funky) as the Obama pdf.

161 posted on 04/30/2011 11:54:06 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Texas Fossil

We’re starting to beat a dead horse here. For three years folks have demanded a long form birth certificate. One was provided. Whether we like it or not, it is now in the record and until forensic experts prove otherwise, it’s accepted as evidence of Obama’s birth in that hospital on that date and at that time. There comes a time to let it go.

Let me repeat: by focusing on the stupid birth certificate instead of the Constitutional question, Obama has p*wned everyone who questions his Constitutional eligibility to serve as POTUS. Gotta give him credit.


162 posted on 04/30/2011 11:55:45 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: stboz

They probably won’t let Petraeus in the White House armed.


163 posted on 04/30/2011 11:55:57 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: D-fendr

You’re quite welcome. Please ping me if cartan responds.

This would be a very technical “miss,” one I could see even a good forger making...


164 posted on 04/30/2011 11:57:16 AM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: WackySam
WackySam WROTE:

This place is getting as nutty as DU.

Can't get better than that.

165 posted on 04/30/2011 11:58:36 AM PDT by melancholy (Papa Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist)
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To: patlin

Since many of you FR folks don’t know how to read or listen, I will recap:

That interview with Robert Stanley was great until toward the end where he got into extraterrestrials who are in Washington and in the Far East running the show in DC.

What a nut case.

Oh yes. According to Stanley, the power players in DC are all centered around the Vatican.

You go, Donald!!!


166 posted on 04/30/2011 11:59:05 AM PDT by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: ml/nj

I’ve seen one, have you seen more than one?

In order to prove that the UKlL guy was a real registrar, we’d need to see a list of registrars, and/or more documents that have no possibility of taint. One is not enough, and one in actual hand is needed. Not something found on the internet.


167 posted on 04/30/2011 12:00:32 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ml/nj
Assuming that Obama were an American citizen by birth, I think even if he returned here with an Indonesian passport as a minor he would still be regarded as an American citizen under our laws.

I believe you are right. However, a difficulty could arise if it were proved that he used this putative Indonesian nationality to get aid as a foreign student at some point. I suspect that might be one of the reasons he is hiding the college records.

168 posted on 04/30/2011 12:00:59 PM PDT by livius
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To: EDINVA

I see your point, but now that he has released his privacy rights on this, Hawaii has no excuse not to let the media come in and take pictures of the original. Right?


169 posted on 04/30/2011 12:01:37 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: livius; SvenMagnussen

Please do a search on the name Sven Magnussen. He has posted State Dept docs describing how a minor child can legally renounce US citizenship. Sven doesn’t post a great deal so it’s easy to find his comments on this topic.


170 posted on 04/30/2011 12:02:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: CanaGuy
If, as you suggest, it wasn't known as "Kenya", why did that name appear on postage stamps from that era?

Because your stamp is a forgery and you are a CIA plant. Of course.

</silliness>

171 posted on 04/30/2011 12:04:03 PM PDT by TankerKC (I feel 271 degrees out of sync today, which isn't half bad.)
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To: rolling_stone

Thanks, and here is the law, chapter and verse:

The U.S. Immigration Law that covers the issue of children born abroad to 1 citizen and 1 alien.

http://library.uwb.edu/guides/USimmigration/66%20stat%20163.pdf

the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952

Public law 82-414 Chapter 1 Section 301 (7)

This applies to Obozo, assuming he is the son of Barrack H. Obama, Sr. and that he was born abroad.

If born abroad with the stated father, he is not even a U.S. Citizen.....


172 posted on 04/30/2011 12:09:16 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: patlin; Fred Nerks

Watch for the next Obama twitch.Its sure to come, the MSM is starting to turn.Fred I thought you especially would like this thread.


173 posted on 04/30/2011 12:10:25 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: org.whodat

Robert M. Stanley, author "Close Encounters on Capitol Hill"

174 posted on 04/30/2011 12:14:59 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: ml/nj
Can you point to a couple of pdf which purport to represent the scanned image of a single document, that have been on the internet since before last week that exhibit similar properties. Come on! This is gonna be easy for you. Right?

No, it's not that easy, it will take a fair amount of my time. You do the search for pdf of scanned image of single document on the internet before last week. Give me the links and I'll open them and give you the results.

175 posted on 04/30/2011 12:19:39 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: savedbygrace

The reporter from the Washington Times didn’t bring up the time travel stuff. It was the interviewer who spoke about that.


176 posted on 04/30/2011 12:20:01 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I see your point, but now that he has released his privacy rights on this, Hawaii has no excuse not to let the media come in and take pictures of the original. Right?

Contrary to claims of certain officials in Hawaii, I sincerely doubt that the original still exists. I doubt the first generation copy still exists (microfiche image of the page). Many many counties have destroyed the old books, and destroyed the microfiche libraries created off the originals once they scanned the microfiche images into computers.

I'm pretty sure that 'legally', these computer images are the 'original documents.' And I doubt that there's anything physical for press reporters to go photograph.

But who knows, so many things thought to be 'destroyed' turn up in people's garages - maybe someone's friend was in the same book as Obama, and they saved the book to give to a friend rather than destroying it. Or someone kept the microfiche page because they wanted to remember using the old films. But I really doubt it's out there.

177 posted on 04/30/2011 12:23:29 PM PDT by kingu (Legislators should read what they write!)
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To: piytar; cartan
One other possibility: The HI officials say it was a photocopy of a page from a book on safety paper. What if the photocopier was a black and white one? That could explain the lack of chromatic aberration.

However the document black tones are not pure grayscale. If they were, the R/G/B numbers would all be equal for each shade of black: 0/0/0, 23/23/23, etc. There is a color cast. I dunno.

Photocopier tech is not my area, so I'm cautious to tread more here.

178 posted on 04/30/2011 12:26:43 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: FreeAtlanta

“Hawaii has no excuse not to let the media come in and take pictures of the original. Right?”

I’m not a lawyer, but IIRC, in releasing the document, DHOH sent a letter explaining that it was going beyond its required duty to give him that doc, ostensibly under the new and ever so convenient HI law that henceforth only short forms will be issued.

I believe what was released this week is only an abstract, but it contains the information required by any venue that requires a BC (i.e., Passport Office/DMV).

One thing that struck me in this week’s released document was the absence of “amendments” or any notation about the existence of an ‘amendment.” It is known that he was adopted. (or thought that he was adopted .. with this guy who KNOWS anything?) That should be an “amendment” to the original. Yet there is nothing in this week’s release to reflect any amendment(s)at all.

I would think HDOH doesn’t have to allow media or anyone else into their archives to see the original, absent a court order. And you know how quickly such a court order would be issued!

His releasing the BC would only relinquish his privacy rights with regard to that document. You don’t see anyone assuming it gives them the right to his college or other records.


179 posted on 04/30/2011 12:27:47 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: patlin
It ALL has to do with the Indonesian father

Only if Barry Soetoro never legally changed his name back to Barack Huessin Obama II.

180 posted on 04/30/2011 12:27:57 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: peeps36

“The reporter from the Washington Times didn’t bring up the time travel stuff. It was the interviewer who spoke about that.”

However, he did pen the following:

“I believe NASA is planning to send humans to Mars on a one-way ticket as an insurance policy for the human race’s survival in this solar system. Unfortunately, there does not appear to be enough time for this somewhat desperate contingency plan.”
-Robert Stanley

Mr. Stanley is a crackpot.


181 posted on 04/30/2011 12:30:17 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: peeps36
The reporter from the Washington Times didn’t bring up the time travel stuff. It was the interviewer who spoke about that.

The reporter who runs a website detailing how NASA plans to change the earth's orbit to prevent a massive catastrophe? Perhaps the same reporter who writes about the first alien encounters in Washington DC?

Oh, right, it's just the interviewer who's nuts. Feel free to Google 'Robert M Stanley'.

182 posted on 04/30/2011 12:30:17 PM PDT by kingu (Legislators should read what they write!)
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To: EDINVA
it’s accepted as evidence of Obama’s birth in that hospital on that date and at that time.

It is not. It says it is an abstract. If they finally decide if Dr. West or Dr. Sinclair that "delivered" or "examined" him. We then might see if either actually practiced medicine at the mentioned hospital. The HI Dept. of Health has for years been playing Legal Weasel Word Games with us. This is no different. I admit that some of the retoric here is far fetched, but this thing has the BIG LIE written all over it. The pieces simply do not fit. They have had to change their story too many times.

183 posted on 04/30/2011 12:31:43 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: D-fendr

I read (but haven’t personally verified) that some parts DO show chromatic abberation, and some parts DON’T. If so, I don’t think that’s possible using one scanner/copier and one document.

I repeat: Have not verified that myself. Don’t have the right software...


184 posted on 04/30/2011 12:32:04 PM PDT by piytar (Talga Vassternich)
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To: SouthDixie; little jeremiah
Obama’s father is Stanly Dunham, and its the mother who is
ubknown? That makes more sense do you not think?Obama looks
like his grand pa,now who is the mom. Or Hoo’s on first?LOL.

Anne Dunhams birth canal was a very busy place apparently, if all accounts were compounded by addition and erudition.

185 posted on 04/30/2011 12:32:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: patlin
time travel technology.

Uh, huh, yeah!

186 posted on 04/30/2011 12:36:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: ml/nj
I should make clear my position on this. Bottom line: the layers do not prove human forgery by themselves; the layers are most likely generated and named/grouped in illustrator. This same layering, grouping and naming standard occurs with scanned pdfs that have not been layered by humans.

I believe the Obama document contains scan/photocopy/image elements. I'm unclear how these were combined on the security background; I've very unclear how the book page background was removed and why the security background is less sharp in the document area than other places.

But, I am convinced that the layers by themselves, which this article relies on, do not prove "forensic forgery."

187 posted on 04/30/2011 12:38:00 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
You're the one who made the statement about how common it is, Pal. You do the searching, or disappear.

ML/NJ

188 posted on 04/30/2011 12:38:41 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Revolting cat!

Not sure who is crazier, Robert Stanley who believes in time travel or Joe Farrah who believes that their are pterodactyls flying over his head.


189 posted on 04/30/2011 12:39:12 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: brytlea

Just travel forward in time, OK brytlea, I’ll get back to you tomorrow after lunch!


190 posted on 04/30/2011 12:39:46 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: EDINVA
Let me repeat: by focusing on the stupid birth certificate instead of the Constitutional question, Obama has p*wned everyone who questions his Constitutional eligibility to serve as POTUS. Gotta give him credit.

I pretty much agree. I think the tech should be examined for forgery, but I think the content is more likely the issue and more important. It is also somewhat useful to expose Obama's false biography in toto.

Further, we should focus on Zero's presidency as the reason to boot him.

191 posted on 04/30/2011 12:43:26 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: patlin

bfl


192 posted on 04/30/2011 12:43:44 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose lips sink ships!)
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To: smoothsailing; All
"The time travel part threw me off a bit. I’m going to have to go dig my old Captain Midnight secret decoder ring out of the attic before I can finish reading patlin’s post."


193 posted on 04/30/2011 12:45:57 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: ml/nj
You're the one who made the statement about how common it is, Pal.

I see it all the time in my work, friend. I reproduced it and examined it myself. I'm not willing to spend a couple of hours searching the internet to please you. If you wish to provide a document that meets your criteria, I'll be happy to examine it.

You do the searching, or disappear.

Back atcha.

194 posted on 04/30/2011 12:47:01 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: Candor7
"Obama’s father is Stanly Dunham, and its the mother who is ubknown?"

You guys want another theory on obama? I read somewhere that Ann is really obama’s sister - that HER father is HIS father. He liked black prostitutes - take it from there.

195 posted on 04/30/2011 12:47:57 PM PDT by jackibutterfly
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To: Candor7
Anne Dunhams birth canal was a very busy place apparently

Safe to say, it was a train wreck.

196 posted on 04/30/2011 12:48:45 PM PDT by SouthDixie (The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly and lie about your age.)
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To: patlin

Hillary started this. We should let her finish it instead of having the conservatives do her dirty work.


197 posted on 04/30/2011 12:51:44 PM PDT by carmody
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To: musicman
Photobucket

ACK!

198 posted on 04/30/2011 12:56:09 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: jackibutterfly
HER father is HIS father. He liked black prostitutes

That is really stupid, you must be a liberal.

199 posted on 04/30/2011 1:01:22 PM PDT by SouthDixie (The secret to staying young is to live honestly, eat slowly and lie about your age.)
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To: jackibutterfly

I liked the theory that was floated a few weeks ago that Obama’s father was Jimi Hendrix.


200 posted on 04/30/2011 1:01:45 PM PDT by trumandogz
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