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Obama's long-form birth certificate debunked - with illustrations
Personal examination ^ | 04/30/2011 | EasTexSteve

Posted on 05/01/2011 6:45:48 AM PDT by eastexsteve

Bear with me, as I am rather new to this forum. The following is my unbiased examination of the Obama LFBC without any comment or input from outside sources. I'm sure others have made some of the same observations I have, but I assembled some observations that you can see yourself without using any specialized software whatsoever. I haven't seen some of these observations out on the web by anyone else yet. (Although, I'm sure I haven't looked everywhere.) Please feel free to copy the file from Google Docs and do what you wish with it.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1eQRJILO2U0ZWUwODM0ZDktZTg2OC00Yzc0LWI4YzAtODBkZWU2YjBhZDU1&hl=en&authkey=CKv6_hg


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birth; birthcertificate; certificate; certifigate; colbfake; eligibility; enoughalready; fraud; naturalborncitizen; obama; obsession; onethoughtonethread
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1 posted on 05/01/2011 6:45:56 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: LucyT

ping!


2 posted on 05/01/2011 6:50:08 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve

I’m 1/2 way through. Very interesting. And thanks for the explanations too!


3 posted on 05/01/2011 6:51:23 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve

Great work, but it will go wasted on the anti-birthers.


4 posted on 05/01/2011 6:51:23 AM PDT by ILS21R ("Every night before I go to sleep, I think who would throw stones at me?", she said.)
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To: eastexsteve

Well done. Now what?


5 posted on 05/01/2011 6:51:48 AM PDT by maineman (BC EAGLES FAN)
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To: eastexsteve

https://doc-0o-14-docsviewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/securedownload/dsn1aovipa7l846lsfcf94nedj8q2p4u/h64uhlb46sj13muttca94kahrbnvv3u1/1304195400000/ZXhwbG9yZXI=/AGZ5hq8BgbJY1gwaOYx83cPOdNw6/MEI3UkJMdzA4M09TNU5qSTROR1kyWVRJdFpqTXlPQzAwT0RaakxUaGtZMkV0Tnpsa1pUYzNObU5rWm1FMA==?a=dl&filename=birth-certificate-long-form.pdf&sec=AHSqidavpnp56-M03_fdoJbrHGnoVJdZvL8qOxblloJdAVEeaaQ2bsAGAJqtsTWk4igzcNV_sHPV&nonce=09hv3ig693qbo&user=AGZ5hq8BgbJY1gwaOYx83cPOdNw6&hash=0pb73trj4b34alfrckunro18gmji6v9k

Here are the separate layers.....


6 posted on 05/01/2011 6:55:38 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve

Now, now, everybody on all the networks, news programs, and talk radio accept the BC’s authenticity.

Why should we be the oddballs?

/s


7 posted on 05/01/2011 6:57:08 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: eastexsteve

Stop being a racist! Stop being a birther! This whole thing with defending the Constitution is just a distraction from the important issues!!!!! I think that about covers the basic comments you will see in this thread from those who don’t care about the greatest Constitutional crisis of our time.


8 posted on 05/01/2011 6:57:50 AM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: MestaMachine

Ping!


9 posted on 05/01/2011 6:58:23 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve

I’m sure that all the kerning and layering were done for the specific purpose of keeping the controversy going. Obama’s cynical gift to those who wish to focus on this issue.


10 posted on 05/01/2011 7:01:19 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: eastexsteve

Your page 4...comparing the Nordykes BC Oahu and barrys Oahu, good catch.


11 posted on 05/01/2011 7:02:39 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: chickadee

That could be the case. Or not. But it would at least be nice to have a mention in the MSM that the document as presented is full of problems.


12 posted on 05/01/2011 7:02:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee ("Castigo Cay" will be out in a few weeks.)
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To: chickadee

Lucky for us, we can walk AND chew gum at the same time.


13 posted on 05/01/2011 7:03:53 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve

The following is the link to the post. It is **very** interesting. The author points out that the letters used in the document would have been impossible to produce with a manual typewriter or even an electric typewriter.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1eQRJILO2U0ZWUwODM0ZDktZTg2OC00Yzc0LWI4YzAtODBkZWU2YjBhZDU1&hl=en&authkey=CKv6_hg


14 posted on 05/01/2011 7:03:53 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Travis McGee

I agree, but as Seth Meyers pointed out last night, Obama mixes the Kool-Aid and the media drinks it.


15 posted on 05/01/2011 7:04:12 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: eastexsteve

bttt


16 posted on 05/01/2011 7:05:04 AM PDT by petercooper (2012 - Purge the RINO's.)
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To: Defend Liberty

Ha! ha!!! You NAILED it here!

How DARE we so much as QUESTION obvious gaffes which appear on this document!

And yes, there are SO many MORE important issues out there!!! How DARE we think that we stupid sheeple can focus on more than only ONE at a time!!! ~gasp!~


17 posted on 05/01/2011 7:05:32 AM PDT by J40000
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To: LucyT

This deserves a ping to the list.

This is an excellent post and simple to understand. The image posted by the White House is a blatant forgery.


18 posted on 05/01/2011 7:09:45 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: chickadee

“I’m sure that all the kerning and layering were done for the specific purpose of keeping the controversy going. Obama’s cynical gift to those who wish to focus on this issue”........it’s not important to document the serial lies of the most powerful person on planet earth?


19 posted on 05/01/2011 7:10:26 AM PDT by stickywillie
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To: eastexsteve
Will the 1 get The One?
20 posted on 05/01/2011 7:12:35 AM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: eastexsteve

I have read a lot of the examinations of this, but I like how you did your own and yours had no speculation. Just facts. And yours was the first one I’ve read, as a non expert, that explained that this document uses both old manual typewriter AND computerized fonts.

You have proven that this document was cobbled together. The others used the layers to say that, but then experts debunked that line of argument. I don’t think that anyone can rationally explain why the document has both old typewritten letters and computerized fonts Within The Same Words.

Good job!!


21 posted on 05/01/2011 7:14:16 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: NoGrayZone

I can’t get your link to work.

Thanks


22 posted on 05/01/2011 7:14:57 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Travis McGee

” But it would at least be nice to have a mention in the MSM that the document as presented is full of problems.”

And also to have a unicorn with shiny, glittery fur.


23 posted on 05/01/2011 7:16:17 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: stickywillie

I think that the birth issue is a huge waste of energy. Even if it could be proven absolutely, nothing would be done about it. I happen to think there is something hinky about the whole thing, but to pursue it just puts us in the category with those who talk about Roswell, the faked moon landing and the magic bullet in Dallas in November of 1963. Fun to speculate on in private, not so good for winning major elections.


24 posted on 05/01/2011 7:17:11 AM PDT by chickadee
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To: Scanian

What happens when you click on it?


25 posted on 05/01/2011 7:19:32 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: chickadee

Fun to speculate in private? Anyone who wants to be quiet and private about a cobbled together document, and not ask both Obama and the Health Dept of Hawaii how the hell the document has both letter written with a manual typewriter and a modern computer, might as well be on his knees in obama’s limousine. Either this should be yelled from the mountain tops or we are supporting a liar.


26 posted on 05/01/2011 7:21:34 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: chickadee

Proving a liar to be a liar is a waste of energy? I think going on the BC threads telling people to “stop wasting their energy” is a waste of energy.


27 posted on 05/01/2011 7:25:41 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: chickadee

I tried to find a bio for U K L Lee online and could find nothing on the person. Has anyone looked at that angle? If the guy is real and he signed it then someone has to have known him or been relate to him or something.
There should be a record of a person that worked for the government in Hawaii in 1961 with that name.


28 posted on 05/01/2011 7:25:52 AM PDT by Willie681
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To: chickadee

I tried to find a bio for U K L Lee online and could find nothing on the person. Has anyone looked at that angle?

If the guy is real and he signed it then someone has to have known him or been related to him or something.

There should be a record of a person that worked for the government in Hawaii in 1961 with that name.


29 posted on 05/01/2011 7:26:20 AM PDT by Willie681
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To: eastexsteve

Nicely done. It’s good to have a variety of opinions on this. And this adds a few new points that I haven’t seen mentioned.


30 posted on 05/01/2011 7:29:10 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: eastexsteve

In my experience, copies taken from rolls of microfilm are flat not curved. The film is placed between two pieces of glass and projected on a screen/viewer so the image can be sized by moving the lens, focused by turning a lever which adjusts focus, and also aligned up and down and right and left in the center of the viewing screen and then a copy can be made.

I believe the rounding would have to be from the original filming of the document (possibly in a book) not from using the roll of microfilm. Either that or from making a current copy without taking the book apart. (why not?) I would like to know how the books of BC are “bound” usually they would have removable pages held together between front and back covers with binding posts and screws...in other words they individual pages could be seperated from the “book” to be copied. Did Hawaii cut corners on this part of the original microfilming? Did they do it this way to give the impression to the public that the “bound” books cannot have pages removed? If that is so, show us a picture of the book and tell us when the book was permanently bound. Hawaii should have videotaped the whole process from locating the book (in a vault?) to locating the document and showing exactly how they copied it. EPIC FAIL

It amazes me this document has a hand stamp showing it to be a true copy or abstract when by all rights Hawii should have had Dr. Onaka hand sign the document as certified..did they use the hand stamp because it allows for the two options, 1) true copy or 2) abstract and that and signing by hand would have to choose one or the other?

Hawaii still sucks on this issue and has not unmuddied the waters and all Obama has done is thrown fuel on the fire by presenting this document to the public.

The incompetence and/or corruption of our governments scares the heck out of me..Imagine if their is a real document could they have done a worse job of presenting it to the public if they tried?


31 posted on 05/01/2011 7:30:08 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: ILS21R

It’s a miracle that the Dan Rather incident did grow enough legs to make the creep disappear. He was a darling of the MSM, a shill for the dems, etc., but he was taken down by his phony-ing a document. So... it’s POSSIBLE that pointing out the truth about Hussein’s BC will come out eventually and actually make a difference. Not probable, but definitely possible.


32 posted on 05/01/2011 7:30:44 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: eastexsteve

Wow, go and help at a soup kitchen, volunteer at church or to clean a park if you have so much time to waste.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt-2xzDMOjc


33 posted on 05/01/2011 7:32:33 AM PDT by mewykwistmas (She does have a very nice figure. I've said if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I'd be dating her)
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To: rolling_stone

Bingo. Either this doc is not what Hawaii gave Obama, or Hawaii is utterly corrupt.


34 posted on 05/01/2011 7:34:34 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: eastexsteve

Perhaps one should try to analyze the document at post 5 here?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2713092/posts


35 posted on 05/01/2011 7:35:30 AM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: eastexsteve

There may be server limitations...OR he’s been Google zapped, but it’s not loading.


36 posted on 05/01/2011 7:37:49 AM PDT by G Larry
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To: Willie681

Ukelele, this is a joke yes?


37 posted on 05/01/2011 7:38:22 AM PDT by old school
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To: NoGrayZone

ping bho bc


38 posted on 05/01/2011 7:42:13 AM PDT by TNoldman (AN AMERICAN FOR A MUSLIM FREE AMERICA.)
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To: NoGrayZone

“Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage”


39 posted on 05/01/2011 7:42:43 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

I’m on Firefox, maybe that’s the problem. Let me open my IE and repost...let’s see what happens.


40 posted on 05/01/2011 7:44:10 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: Willie681

For what it’s worth. Do you think the following is a fake with U K LeLee? click the link to see the image and then scroll down to post #57 or click the other link.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2712234/posts?page=6#6

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2712234/posts?page=57#57


41 posted on 05/01/2011 7:45:42 AM PDT by deport
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To: Scanian

https://doc-0o-14-docsviewer.googleusercontent.com/viewer/securedownload/dsn1aovipa7l846lsfcf94nedj8q2p4u/h64uhlb46sj13muttca94kahrbnvv3u1/1304195400000/ZXhwbG9yZXI=/AGZ5hq8BgbJY1gwaOYx83cPOdNw6/MEI3UkJMdzA4M09TNU5qSTROR1kyWVRJdFpqTXlPQzAwT0RaakxUaGtZMkV0Tnpsa1pUYzNObU5rWm1FMA==?a=dl&filename=birth-certificate-long-form.pdf&sec=AHSqidavpnp56-M03_fdoJbrHGnoVJdZvL8qOxblloJdAVEeaaQ2bsAGAJqtsTWk4igzcNV_sHPV&nonce=09hv3ig693qbo&user=AGZ5hq8BgbJY1gwaOYx83cPOdNw6&hash=0pb73trj4b34alfrckunro18gmji6v9k


42 posted on 05/01/2011 7:46:33 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: NoGrayZone

Same thing....oh, well.


43 posted on 05/01/2011 7:47:45 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian

Try it now and let me know what happens.


44 posted on 05/01/2011 7:48:59 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: NoGrayZone

No change....Don’t worry about it. Maybe the trouble is on my end.


45 posted on 05/01/2011 7:50:09 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: mewykwistmas; eastexsteve
"Wow, go and help at a soup kitchen, volunteer at church or to clean a park if you have so much time to waste."

Perhaps you should take your own advise and get the hell off this thread.

46 posted on 05/01/2011 7:51:28 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve; NoGrayZone
Alright, admittedly I have stayed out of the birther fray. I said back in the fall of 2008, if it wasn't proven prior to the election that Obama was born outside of the US, if he were elected, he'd have the full force of the US government to create (forge?) a very convincing long form birth certificate.

But having worked with digital scanning technology and OCR, has anyone investigated if these layers in the PDF are actually created by the scanning process itself? OCR scanning is now above 99% accurate, but it is not perfect. This means that all characters in an scanned physical piece of paper are not always converted to text. This would explain the "R" in BA_ACK that is on a different layer than the text layer.

(I am referring to the link NoGrayZone used in post 6 of this thread.)

Maybe someone should scan a physical BC themselves and see what if an OCR-capable scanner creates these layers as well.

47 posted on 05/01/2011 7:52:22 AM PDT by GreenAccord (Bacon Akbar!)
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To: eastexsteve

Welcome to FR.


48 posted on 05/01/2011 7:56:38 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: Scanian; MestaMachine

I don’t think it’s on your end. A lot of people have had trouble opening this doc.

Perhaps I still can because I still have it up on my computer (google took it down soon after it was posted)so I refuse to close it!

Mesta Machine sent it to someone to take a screen shot of it (I have NO clue on how to do so). I tried all suggestions given, but was only able to get a screen shot of the 1st 1/4 top of page 1.


49 posted on 05/01/2011 7:57:13 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: eastexsteve; verga
There is a Pulitzer Prize waiting for the MSM person who jumps on this one!

Or a stroll in Fort Marcy Park.

50 posted on 05/01/2011 7:57:19 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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