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Obama's long-form birth certificate debunked - with illustrations
Personal examination ^ | 04/30/2011 | EasTexSteve

Posted on 05/01/2011 6:45:48 AM PDT by eastexsteve

Bear with me, as I am rather new to this forum. The following is my unbiased examination of the Obama LFBC without any comment or input from outside sources. I'm sure others have made some of the same observations I have, but I assembled some observations that you can see yourself without using any specialized software whatsoever. I haven't seen some of these observations out on the web by anyone else yet. (Although, I'm sure I haven't looked everywhere.) Please feel free to copy the file from Google Docs and do what you wish with it.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1eQRJILO2U0ZWUwODM0ZDktZTg2OC00Yzc0LWI4YzAtODBkZWU2YjBhZDU1&hl=en&authkey=CKv6_hg


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birth; birthcertificate; certificate; certifigate; colbfake; eligibility; enoughalready; fraud; naturalborncitizen; obama; obsession; onethoughtonethread
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To: Jeff Winston; little jeremiah

Sorry LJ, I got my videos mixed up, but I have to say the Mr Winston is being quite unforgiving. There is no question that the new BC is a phony. But point taken on my theory, and still i think my theory is valid just on a different point. THE BC IS FAKE so someone needs to come forward.


201 posted on 05/02/2011 5:35:28 PM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: GregNH

Some people on FR - quite a few, lately - seem to have as their sole interest “debunking” anyone who gives some evidecence that this new and improved abstract is a forgery.

If you get my drift...


202 posted on 05/02/2011 5:56:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: GregNH
Sorry LJ, I got my videos mixed up, but I have to say the Mr Winston is being quite unforgiving. There is no question that the new BC is a phony.

Please pardon me if I've been in any way unforgiving.

Personally though, before I post something, I try and verify whether it's actually true. In this case, that would've been very easy to do.

The reason for this is that I value the truth.

As far as there being no question that the new BC is a phony, the reality is that, so far, I've been unable to find any compelling evidence that it is. And believe me, it hasn't been for lack of trying. If you want some detailed and honest analysis, just review my posting history.

203 posted on 05/02/2011 6:06:42 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Thank you for that. I had watched so many videos and read so many pieces yesterday that it probably inevitable that mixed something up.


204 posted on 05/02/2011 6:10:13 PM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: GregNH

It happens. I must confess that I’m a bit tired myself at the moment. Too little sleep from reading and researching this very issue.


205 posted on 05/02/2011 6:13:29 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

We will prevail, even if only in the history books....


206 posted on 05/02/2011 6:17:49 PM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: GregNH

I believe we will prevail, for the simple reason that I think there are an awful lot of good people in this country. But we may have to go through some awful times before we do, and history is likely to always be a back-and-forth between right and wrong.


207 posted on 05/02/2011 6:37:36 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: eastexsteve

I can tell you where the green background is supposed to have come from: the Hawaii folks say that they printed their image on green “safety paper.”


208 posted on 05/02/2011 6:49:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: little jeremiah

>> “Some people on FR - quite a few, lately - seem to have as their sole interest “debunking” anyone who gives some evidecence that this new and improved abstract is a forgery.

If you get my drift” <<

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There is a word for them: SHILL.


209 posted on 05/02/2011 6:56:52 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Jeff Winston

I believe it possible that the BC was made to look phony deliberately to get our goat so to speak.

It matters little, since the BC that he produced proves him to be inelligible to the office of president or vice president, and that is the real issue.


210 posted on 05/02/2011 7:01:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor
I can tell you where the green background is supposed to have come from: the Hawaii folks say that they printed their image on green “safety paper.”

Do you have a source for this? I did a quick search but don't seem to see an obvious source.

211 posted on 05/02/2011 7:04:27 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

I got it on the radio; I’ve been away from computers for the last three days.


212 posted on 05/02/2011 7:08:38 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yeah, so I heard. Was it something like the one linked below? I didn’t have any “safety paper” handy, so I had to “borrow” some. Does the pattern look familiar? Feel free to “download original” from the FILE menu, and examine it. I don’t think your going to find multiple layers of artifacts and doctored text in this one.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1eQRJILO2U0YTMwNDAyODUtMWFmYy00NTIyLTgyYzMtMzUwNzkwMTkyYjM2&hl=en&authkey=CMPYyosL


213 posted on 05/02/2011 9:15:23 PM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: Jeff Winston

Amazing ... if Hawaii sent a paper document to barry bassturd and the white house made a photocopy to hand out, would there be any layering in the imagery when opened via the internet? ... And the way you answer that question tells us what we need to know about whom you serve, n00b. The thing the white hut is touting as a genuine BC is a composite made from more than one image latered together, either by someone in Hawaii carrying your pres_ _ent’s fraud for him, or after a paper document arrived on the mainland.


214 posted on 05/02/2011 9:28:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
Amazing ... if Hawaii sent a paper document to barry bassturd and the white house made a photocopy to hand out, would there be any layering in the imagery when opened via the internet? ... And the way you answer that question tells us what we need to know about whom you serve, n00b. The thing the white hut is touting as a genuine BC is a composite made from more than one image latered together, either by someone in Hawaii carrying your pres_ _ent’s fraud for him, or after a paper document arrived on the mainland.

LOL!

There's a lot I could tell you at this point, MHG. But I'm afraid you're going to have to wait.

I will say this: the known facts just simply aren't with you.

Do I take any joy in that? No. Well, yes. But not because of Obama. Him I'd rather see impeached and removed from office.

But at least I can say that I seem to be at the end of my own 5-1/2 days of research, and now know quite a bit about what's what. And really being able to come to conclusion, whether or not it was the one I wanted, is something to be happy about. Now I can move on to other things.

215 posted on 05/02/2011 9:59:39 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: eastexsteve

Steve! Very glad to see you back. I am very much looking forward to your response to my 189/ 190.


216 posted on 05/02/2011 10:04:47 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

You seem to working under a false assumption here. Maybe I can clear that up. You said:

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“However, if they were tampered with, then we have two possibilities:

1) They were tampered with after the layers were separated..

2) They were tampered with before the layers were separated by the computer process;”
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They were neither. The layers were created during the editing process by Photoshop itself. That’s what Photoshop and most other high-powered graphics programs do. They allow you to organize you editing into separate layers or panes in real time so you can do things like bring them front to back in the image, or do away with a particular edit all together without affecting the editing in other layers/panes.

I think what you keep fishing for is for someone to tell you the exact process they used. That’s anyone’s guess. But, I can tell you how I (for the most part) did it with the fake example I posted earlier that is much cleaner than Obama’s. And, here is how I can imagine they did it:

What I’m proposing is they started out with a flat-scanned white-reversed negative image (black text on white background) of a microfilm/microfiche of someone’s Hawaii birth certificate of the day. (The Nordyke twins birth certificate in white is an excellent example of what they started out with.)

They loaded the graphic image into Photoshop, and began carefully erasing all the data they didn’t want with the eraser tool. Since it wasn’t Obama’s birth certificate, that meant erasing all or most everything in the typed data fields.

The author(s) then started another editing layer/pane to add data back to the image. Since they had to use typewritten characters from typewriters used in the 1961 era, this presented a problem. So, they chased down what they could of some old typewritten and printed documents of that day, scanned them, and began copying and pasting IMAGES of characters and words from the secondary documents into their editing layer/pane in Photoshop. Of course, when building words from IMAGES of typewritten characters, it’s easy to not get them perfectly aligned. And, they weren’t careful about what images they selected from secondary documents, because they accidentally selected some typeset proportional font text and kerned font text (possibly from a magazine of that era, or a later printed document) and included it in their primary editing layer. Typewriters in 1961 could not do proportional spacing. That didn’t happen until IBM released a special machine in 1966, and then the Selectric III in 1980. It is blatantly obvious that the inserted text images came from many sources, some modern, and not just one old 1961 typewriter.

Now, some of these character and word IMAGES they needed to copy weren’t clean, and had some unwanted artifacts. So, they had to omit them from the primary editing layer. And, they couldn’t come up with IMAGES they could copy to replace them, so they started another editing layer to create character images via computer generation that they could place into the main image to finish the words in the fields. These are the anti-aliased characters you see. This is where they also added the green background. (This is where I added mine in the example I built.)

They also started another editing layer/pane to add the certification stamp at the bottom of the document, and the two dates on rows 20 and 22. They saved the complete image from the FILE menu in Photoshop, and also exported it as a PDF file. The big mistake these rank amateurs made, was they didn’t “flatten” the image into one layer first.

Now, having put forth the theory above, it is all a moot point. I say again, the theory above is a moot point. Why? Because in August 1961, they did not have:

1) Typewriters that produced proportional spacing
2) Typewriters that produced kerned fonts
3) Computer word processing and publishing
4) Graphics editing software
5) computer disk/tape digital document storage

What you are seeing in the LFBC is a document that was created at a much later date, and from many sources. And, it is a somewhat careless job. This is the best I can do to explain what is there. I don’t know what else I can tell you.


217 posted on 05/03/2011 8:17:01 AM PDT by eastexsteve
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To: GregNH

By “unforgiving” you must mean that he’s not cutting anyone any slack on their sloppy arguments, because from where I’m sitting it looks like he’s being *quite* patient in putting up with the conspiracy buffs’ temper tantrums.


218 posted on 05/03/2011 8:30:35 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Jeff Winston

You lie ... for barry the bassturd. *LOL*


219 posted on 05/03/2011 8:44:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Jeff Winston; eastexsteve

Well, where’d you go, JW?

Eastexsteve makes some pretty good points in his #217.


220 posted on 05/04/2011 9:21:22 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick; eastexsteve

I’m not sure Steve’s post needs a response, but since you asked...

As to where I’ve been, I’ve been working... and researching.

I don’t think Steve really understands the situation. I don’t think he has actually quite grasped what I’m talking about. I do think he’s a smart guy, so maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my posts closely enough.

Particularly, he needs to go back through 187 with a fine-toothed comb.

All he has done in his most recent post is to repeat his theory, which I understand quite perfectly, and which is unfortunately incorrect. Yes, that was a solid statement.

BTW, I do graphic editing professionally.


221 posted on 05/04/2011 9:44:36 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9MiDTG2swM&NR=1


222 posted on 05/04/2011 9:50:20 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

I do this stuff for a living. Sorry, but it’s basically like you’re trying to tutor a professor with a 3rd-grade textbook.


223 posted on 05/04/2011 10:24:19 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: little jeremiah

>> Some people on FR - quite a few, lately - seem to have as their sole interest “debunking”

I’m waiting for someone to ‘debunk’ the idea of differing serifs of the 1 digits in the serial number. Assuming the rightmost 1 digit didn’t get picked up by OCR and remained rasterized, the downward hooking serif on the leftmost OCR 1 digit appears non-reproducible from the rasterized 1 digit on the right.


224 posted on 05/04/2011 10:35:34 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Jeff Winston

you may do it for a living, but are Obama’s lackey’s smarter than a 5th grader?


225 posted on 05/04/2011 10:40:29 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Jeff Winston
Here's a point he made that I thought was interesting:

And, they weren’t careful about what images they selected from secondary documents, because they accidentally selected some typeset proportional font text and kerned font text (possibly from a magazine of that era, or a later printed document) and included it in their primary editing layer.

If it's true that some of the text consists of proportional and kerned fonts that couldn't have been created in 1960s, then this seems to throw a new wrinkle into things. I don't see how the software processes involved in scanning the image -- the ones that try to recognize text and that create the various layers -- can explain this. Maybe you've covered it already but I don't think I've seen it.

226 posted on 05/04/2011 11:20:20 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: rolling_stone
you may do it for a living, but are Obama’s lackey’s smarter than a 5th grader?

I assume that's an ad hominem attack, which would indicate that you have nothing of any substance whatsoever to say about any point that I've made.

227 posted on 05/04/2011 11:26:12 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Yardstick
If it's true that some of the text consists of proportional and kerned fonts that couldn't have been created in 1960s, then this seems to throw a new wrinkle into things.

If it were, then it would.

But typewriters had proportional fonts as far back as the 1940s. And there's no evidence of any kerning. Those are simply closely-spaced typewriter strikes. And they're uneven. A typewriter with sophisticated kerning wouldn't produce randomly-uneven text.

228 posted on 05/04/2011 11:30:26 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

Its a reflection on this administration not you. Everything they do they screw up. Sure you and everyone else has made some points, but the fact is nothing has shown that it is not a forgery, only that it some of these phenomenons may be created by the software, not that it was crated by the software.

It boils down to needing an old fahioned forensic examination by a questioned document examiner who can examine the actualopaper, ink, sn poddibly determine which ink is the same and not, which typewriter signature is the same or not , age of the paper maybe even age of the ink...then of course the details of the document, including the signatures and verify from the hospital if he was born there and who his doctor was. That is what will put this to rest and nothing less...unless someone breaks to it being a forgery..


229 posted on 05/05/2011 8:38:34 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Sorry, I haven’t dealt with you much before that I recall, and I’ve been subjected to so many ad hominem attacks that I assumed your comment was another.

Yes, they seem totally screw up about 50% of what they undertake, and on the 50% that they succeed on, they move the country in the exact wrong direction, so I’d say they have a pretty consistent track record.

It’s lucky for them they have the major media to cover for them at every single turn. I don’t agree with absolutely everything the Bush administration did, but if they had been as incompetent Bush would’ve been impeached already.

And you’re entirely correct about a good old fashioned paper-document forensic examination being needed. But that will never happen, and IMO would be unlikely to produce results anyway.

I now see the birther movement as mostly a dead-end street. I could be wrong but I don’t think Corsi’s got the goods. We’ll see. I think Obama’s policies are going to be the thing.


230 posted on 05/05/2011 12:59:37 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

According to Steve, IBM didn’t produce a typewriter with proportional fonts until 1966. Is it plausible that the BC was typed on some other brand of typewriter that had proportional fonts? I guess it must be, since we see the same proportional font on the Nordyke twins’ BC. If it’s legit on their BC, then it must be legit on Obama’s too.

And I think you’re right about the kerning. When you look through the whole document you see misalignments in the characters that are very typical of what you get with a manual typewriter. Occasionally you’ll see what looks like a kerned pair, but just as often you’ll see a pair where the spacing is wider than normal and in some cases it’s a vertical misalignment. So to me the kerning argument goes out the window too.

So I’m back to thinking the conspiracy theory doesn’t hold water.


231 posted on 05/07/2011 9:46:21 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Yardstick
According to Steve, IBM didn’t produce a typewriter with proportional fonts until 1966. Is it plausible that the BC was typed on some other brand of typewriter that had proportional fonts? I guess it must be, since we see the same proportional font on the Nordyke twins’ BC. If it’s legit on their BC, then it must be legit on Obama’s too.

Yes, there were typewriters with proportional fonts starting in the 1940s.

232 posted on 05/07/2011 1:43:02 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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