Skip to comments.Does Obama’s long form birth certificate clear him or prove he’s not a natural born citizen?
Posted on 05/01/2011 7:36:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
Did Barack Obama just stop his own possible bloodless coup detat in its tracks when he released his long form birth certificate? He now clearly reveals his father was a subject of the British Royal Crown rendering him, Barack Obama II, ineligible to assume the U.S. Presidency!
Obama Sr. was a member of the Luo tribe from Nyangoma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, which at the time was still a British colony, writes Aaron Klein with researcher Brenda J. Elliott, for World Net Daily. Our U.S. Constitution states: Article. II. Section. 1. No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President. . .
The Manchurian President authors cite the theory of Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel who was read by our Founding Fathers. De Vattel writes in Book 1, Chapter 19, The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who were citizens. . .In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.
The fact that Barack Obama does not meet the natural born requirement was a key argument in the Kerchner v. Obama .
Now, Jerome Corsi,
..revealing an inconvenient truth posed by the birth of the Nordyke twin girls. He says, As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapiolani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes
(Excerpt) Read more at coachisright.com ...
IF there were two different offices issuing birth certificates in the town at that time (which is unlikely) that fact is now rendered meaningless because there could not have been two different issuing officesat the same hospital. This document is a phony and this is not over.
What long form birth certificate?
I haven’t seen one yet. Only a bad forgerie.
He's not eligible, and needs to be removed from office ASAP!
It clears him. This issue? It’s dead. On to actual policy differences!
It will never be over, because you can’t stop a conspiracy theory with talk, facts, or a message from God Almighty.
On the other issue, I’ve wondered if this means that a child of a single mother can’t be President, if the woman can’t prove who the father is.
I also guess it would preclude an adopted child, as the birth parents might well be unknown. And what about in-vitro fertilization; do we have to know the citizenship of the sperm and egg donors?
It has always been known that the man Obama claimed as his father was not a citizen. The argument over natural born citizen has always revolved around that question, although it was effectively obscured by the easier to understand and therefore simple distraction of Obama’s birth certificate.
Yeah, well, then there's that whole 14th Amendment thing....
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It clears him. This issue? Its dead. On to actual policy differences!
It’s only dead if the US Constitution is dead. Acrime against the Constitution has been committed, and you want to look the other way?
In the comments section:
or hidden away!
Keep in mind that WE ALREADY KNOW THE UNAMBIGUOUS LEGAL DEFINITION OF THE TERM-OF-ART natural born Citizen!! It was put into the law of this land by the United States Supreme Court decision in the 1875 Minor v. Happersett case and has never been overturned (but even has been recognized and confirmed in other cases since that time). At the time of the decision in Minor it was almost 100 years after the nations founding and even now 230-plus years later it still means the same thing. One simplified way of stating this is born in the US of 2 US citizen parents.
The actual 1875 Supreme Court opinion in Minor v Happersett:
The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. (emphasis added)
This means the simple born in America of 2 citizen parents still is the active, pertinent law of our land. It should in conjunction with A2S1C5 of the Constitution, be the law that determines Obamas fate of course he and the Flying Monkeys wont agree; theyd rather just ignore or rewrite the Constitution, but I wouldnt.
If Ubama was born in Hawaii, was he subject to the jurisdiction thereof if his father was Kenyan?
I don't know. I'm just askin'.
Sir, the main issue here is the HONESTLY, or lack thereof by our president. This is only ONE of many hidden facets of his past.
Folks who can pooh-pooh this issue are folks who can be sold bridges and snake oil. This is no conspiracy theory. It’s about honesty and integrity by our nation’s leaders.
Where is the proof that he is homo sapien?
not the lowest....birth in a parking lot in Dallas by an american citizen married "illegally" to a Mexican drug dealer.
There is no conspiracy theory.
There are facts.
On one side is the US Constitution.
On the other side are Obama and Romney
(and his RomneyBOTs on these threads).
It’s a supreme court argument at this point. What I do know is that the framers dealt with the natural born citizen thing twice: once in in the constitution and once in the naturalization act of 1790 which specifically stated that nationality is conferred by the father and that the right of citizenship did “not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States. The framer’s original intent is pretty clear regardless of what people say today.
Its just more lies from the Marxist.
Lenin concludes that: “History as a whole, and the history of revolutions in particular, is always richer in content, more varied, more multiform, more lively and ingenious than is imagined by even the best parties, the most class-conscious vanguards of the most advanced classes ... Two very important practical conclusions follow from this: first, that in order to accomplish its task the revolutionary class must be able to master all forms or aspects of social activity without exception (completing after the capture of political power sometimes at great risk and with very great dangerwhat it did not complete before the capture of power); second, that the revolutionary class must be prepared for the most rapid and brusque replacement of one form by another.”
He has never been a natural born citizen and he knows it. His sire,( I won’t use the term father because the only father figures he ever had were FMD, Gramps and Lolo) held allegiance to another country, which passed he onto his spawn, IF senior is really his father which I highly question.
That piece of crap he produced to try to help his poll numbers and stop sales of the Corsi book, is laughable. So laughable that I don’t even feel like debating it and picking it apart.
The only way the clown in chief would be a natural born citizen is if he came out and said, Frank Marshall Davis was really my sire. Of course he would be a liar, but still eligible. But he will never do that. He would rather take his chances with his sire being a foreigner than get caught in a lie.
I really don’t think he knows how to tell the truth. His entire life is one big lie.
"[T]he people are the sovereign of this country, and consequently that
fellow citizens and joint sovereigns cannot be degraded by appearing
with each other in their own courts to have their controversies determined.
The people have reason to prize and rejoice in such valuable privileges,
and they ought not to forget that nothing but the free course
of constitutional law and government can ensure the continuance
and enjoyment of them."
[John Jay, Chisholm v. Georgia]
Not hardly. It will never be over, NEVER!! Too many inconsistencies,coverups, and lies.
The BC is just one piece of the big scam, along with the multiple Identities to game the education system to attend college.
I got one question for you; Who in D.C. has the balls to remove him? WHO?
I once had a “truther” say those very same words to me.
Usually when this is cited as proof of the “UNAMBIGUOUS LEGAL DEFINITION OF THE TERM” natural born citizen they leave off this end part.....
“Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
The “UNAMBIGUOUS LEGAL DEFINITION” has “doubts”?
PS - this is not about race, it is about the attitude of Barry toward the Constitution as a "charter of negative liberties" - he sees no value in it, and proves it daily. For Barry, it is a blank paper you can write anything on, such as "citizen" = "natural born citizen".
Until the actual birth certificate has been released and Obama has been proven a natural born citizen the legality of his Presidency will remain in question. That is the root issue not the b*st*rdized MSM equivalent. The certified copy of his long form birth certificate has been sought because it would or would not confirm his status as a natural born citizen and hence his Presidency. Until the actual birth certificate has been released we are not living in a nation of laws but in a nation of men.
Remember, that every nation of men has the ability to legally slaughter their citizens; witness China, USSR, Cambodia, Romania, most African states, and most middle eastern nations. Ever wonder why Israel is exempt from this statement? Perhaps because they are a nation ruled by laws.
Citizens, not natural born. No anchor baby presidents.
A) Who in D.C. has the balls to make him do what you want?
B) Who in D.C. has the balls to remove him from office if he refuses?
Once you realize that the answer to both questions is “no one” I think that you are intelligent enough to see the futility of your quest and move on to issues that we can actually DO something about.
It also prevents the “Son of Hitler” scenario! Foreign rule by child proxy.
See post above yours.
Personally, I don’t know whether the present document is for real or not. It’s sad that this president has lied so much about so many things, even if he were to present us with two stone tablets inscribed by God, we wouldn’t believe it. Sure all politicians lie, but this man has raised the practice to an art form.
Interesting that we have folks who want to use a standard that would have only the father's nationality prevail ~ and yet, those same folks have not recently (at least) claimed we should repeal women's suffrage (although I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after it eh!)
Take a look at page 4. Look at the Oahu on both bc’s. Why is the Nordykes O in Oahu perfectly aligned, but not on barrys?
As I understand it, it was designed to grant citizenship to children born of slaves who, quite possibly, were not born in this country themselves.
People have been constantly making that statement since long before and after this recent release of the long form BC. And Obama has always claimed that Obama from Kenya is his father.
So, it's pretty obvious that there is no clear legal prohibition on Obama being eligible for the presidency because his father was from Kenya and not a US citizen.
And it's equally clear that what the conditions that make someone a natural born citizen are not so clearly defined legally as to cover all possible conditions of parentage and place of birth.
No matter where anyone stands on the question of Obama's eligibility, it's pretty absurd to continue making the quoted statement above when Obama has always said Obama Sr. was his father , and it has always been known that Obama Sr. is from Kenya and not an American citizen.
If that particular statement were true and accepted as established law, Obama wouldn't have been allowed to run. But it's not accepted law and people should stop pretending that it is.
Why compare truthers to us debunking barrys bc? There were MANY witness’s, and it’s even on tape, watching those freaks fly a plane into the WTC’s.
I think you'll need to come up with factoids from ANOTHER SOURCE that are contrary to what is seen in this document.
At the moment the biggest problem I see in this particular issue is the ol'gal in Hawaii cannot imagine speaking without lying ~ Okuba? She's a case. The second biggest problem is the apparent inability of Obama to UNNERSTAN there's a long form and a short form ~
You check that ~ it's his apparent inability to UNDERSTAND long and short ~ and if that's not a problem I can't imagine how it couldn't be.
Then there's fat/thin, up/down, and so on.
The third problem is we have a Congress that actually treats this dunce as if he has some political relevance.
The latest document report does little to reduce the cognitive dissonance arising out of each and every emanation of the White House and its running dog lackeys.
Note that the Constitution mandates a ‘NATURAL BORN citizen’ for POTUSA. Note that the 14th Amendment addresses the ‘citizen’ only. My take is that the 14th Amendment is merely adjunct to the original Constution as that document also at places speaks only to ‘citizen’. The Founding Fathers made a ‘natural born citizen’ the bedrock for citizenship and used it only as the requirement for POTUSA. Obama is not eligible as POTUSA because the Founding Fathers were intelligent enough to understand there was a need for setting allegience at bedrock for POTUSA for the new Nation. The cases of Arthur and Obama just ‘shows to go’ that the best laid plans of man can be usurped by dishonorable persons intending to do such.
I got one question for you; Who in D.C. has the balls to remove him? WHO?
Who had the balls to remove Tricky Dick Nixon who had won in a landslide to secure his second term as President? Nobody.
But the drip, drip, drip of the Woodward and Bernstein investigative reports slowly built a case of a sitting President (unindicted co-conspirator)involved in the cover up a crime.
So what happens when there’s drip drip drip of
-illegal land deal with Rezko and other shady dealings
-forged federal documents (Selective Service Registration)
-use of multiple and fraudulently obtained SSNs
Slowly the picture emerges that a sitting President is not only involved in a cover-up, but he is a criminal. A criminal that the democratic party and the media hoisted upon our nation UNVETTED.
How will that go over with the general populace? time will tell...
This will go no where! The Courts are communists/liberal controlled. It is the Courts that have the biggest part in destroying America because they will not uphold the Constitution.
Oh please, give me a break. You cannot compare the two at ALL! The evidence was overwhelming and we saw those planes fly into those buildings. Truthers were people with BDS. Obongo’s BC questions arose because of lies and inconsistencies and things that don’t add up. NOTHING about his past makes sense or adds up.
All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians. (Cong. Globe, 37th, 2nd Sess., 1639 (1862))
Nothing will dissuade people who want to either flog this issue to discredit Obama and/or make a buck off it, or those who simply want to believe that the man is not a natural born citizen.
Just a random thought...
Isn’t the most convenient way for this affair to go away to just concede that Obama Sr’s shotgun wedding was invalid due to his bigamy? If it was an invalid marriage, Obama jr would be a legal bastard and thus fall under NBC due to the mother alone.
On another note, if we accept that Barry is a NBC even if his father was a British citizen at the time of his birth, does this mean that Marco Rubio (parents from Cuba and may or may not have been citizens at the time of his birth, and Bobby Jindal (parents from India, not citizens at the time of his birth)will not have a problem with this issue if either one of them decides to run for the presidency?
It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.
“Who had the balls to remove Tricky Dick Nixon who had won in a landslide to secure his second term as President? Nobody.
But the drip, drip, drip of the Woodward and Bernstein investigative reports slowly built a case of a sitting President (unindicted co-conspirator)involved in the cover up a crime.”
Thing is, this time around, there is no real media interest. Much of Fox News is even in bed with this president (O’Reilly for example). No way will they fully investigate.
Nothing is going to come of this. We are stuck with this incompetent at least till the next election. We should now concentrate on finding a true conservative candidate to run against him and ditch Romney, Huckabee and the other RINOs.
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