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Does Obama’s long form birth certificate clear him or prove he’s not a natural born citizen?
coachisright.com ^ | May 1, 2011 | Suzanne Eovaldi, staff writer

Posted on 05/01/2011 7:36:43 AM PDT by jmaroneps37

Did Barack Obama just stop his own possible bloodless coup d’etat in its tracks when he released his long form birth certificate? He now clearly reveals his father was a subject of the British Royal Crown rendering him, Barack Obama II, ineligible to assume the U.S. Presidency!

“Obama Sr. was a member of the Luo tribe from Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya, which at the time was still a British colony,” writes Aaron Klein with researcher Brenda J. Elliott, for World Net Daily. Our U.S. Constitution states: Article. II. Section. 1. “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of the President. . .”

”The Manchurian President” authors cite the theory of Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel who was read by our Founding Fathers. “De Vattel writes in Book 1, Chapter 19, “The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who were citizens. . .In order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

The fact that Barack Obama does not meet the natural born requirement was a key argument in the Kerchner v. Obama….

Now, Jerome Corsi, …..revealing an inconvenient truth posed by the birth of the Nordyke twin girls. He says, “As WND reported, the long-form birth certificates issued by Kapi’olani to the Nordyke twins have certificate numbers lower than the number given Obama, even though the president purportedly was born at the same hospital a day earlier than the Nordykes…

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: awgeezgiveitarest; birthcertificate; certifigate; enoughalready; ntsa; obamasbirth
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To: mojitojoe

I once had a “truther” say those very same words to me.


21 posted on 05/01/2011 7:54:48 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Usually when this is cited as proof of the “UNAMBIGUOUS LEGAL DEFINITION OF THE TERM” natural born citizen they leave off this end part.....

“Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”

The “UNAMBIGUOUS LEGAL DEFINITION” has “doubts”?


22 posted on 05/01/2011 7:55:05 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: jmaroneps37

23 posted on 05/01/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: jmaroneps37
1 - The long form has never been released
2 - Long form, short form, or written in crayon, nothing presented thusfar has shown that Baby-Barry is/was an NBC.
3 - The state-run media failed to vet or even challenge candidate Soetoro, and now the grass-roots folks are rising to the occasion.

PS - this is not about race, it is about the attitude of Barry toward the Constitution as a "charter of negative liberties" - he sees no value in it, and proves it daily. For Barry, it is a blank paper you can write anything on, such as "citizen" = "natural born citizen".

24 posted on 05/01/2011 8:00:45 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all......)
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To: Grunthor
Unfortunately it will not be dead until the actual birth certificate has been released. Is it too much to ask Obama the same level of honesty that we ask from our own children.

Until the actual birth certificate has been released and Obama has been proven a natural born citizen the legality of his Presidency will remain in question. That is the root issue not the b*st*rdized MSM equivalent. The certified copy of his long form birth certificate has been sought because it would or would not confirm his status as a natural born citizen and hence his Presidency. Until the actual birth certificate has been released we are not living in a nation of laws but in a nation of men.

Remember, that every nation of men has the ability to legally slaughter their citizens; witness China, USSR, Cambodia, Romania, most African states, and most middle eastern nations. Ever wonder why Israel is exempt from this statement? Perhaps because they are a nation ruled by laws.

25 posted on 05/01/2011 8:02:16 AM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Texas Eagle

Citizens, not natural born. No anchor baby presidents.


26 posted on 05/01/2011 8:06:32 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Nip

A) Who in D.C. has the balls to make him do what you want?

B) Who in D.C. has the balls to remove him from office if he refuses?

Once you realize that the answer to both questions is “no one” I think that you are intelligent enough to see the futility of your quest and move on to issues that we can actually DO something about.


27 posted on 05/01/2011 8:08:02 AM PDT by Grunthor (The man or woman who doesn't forgive has forgotten the price that Christ paid for them on the Cross.)
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To: Sacajaweau

It also prevents the “Son of Hitler” scenario! Foreign rule by child proxy.


28 posted on 05/01/2011 8:08:27 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Texas Eagle

See post above yours.


29 posted on 05/01/2011 8:08:27 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: jmaroneps37
If Obama’s bc is real then why do people who claim that lose every debate, argument and discussion in such as uneven and embarrassing way?
30 posted on 05/01/2011 8:13:04 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (How is allowing an Army Doctor be prosecuted and sent to prison "good for the country"?)
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31 posted on 05/01/2011 8:17:27 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Personally, I don’t know whether the present document is for real or not. It’s sad that this president has lied so much about so many things, even if he were to present us with two stone tablets inscribed by God, we wouldn’t believe it. Sure all politicians lie, but this man has raised the practice to an art form.


32 posted on 05/01/2011 8:17:36 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: allmendream
Great catch ~ and then there's the 14th Amendment AND, going beyond that, Congress can pass a law illuminating the meaning ~ plus you could pass a Constitutional amendment and change the whole deal.

Interesting that we have folks who want to use a standard that would have only the father's nationality prevail ~ and yet, those same folks have not recently (at least) claimed we should repeal women's suffrage (although I wouldn't be surprised to see them go after it eh!)

33 posted on 05/01/2011 8:19:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jmaroneps37

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B1eQRJILO2U0ZWUwODM0ZDktZTg2OC00Yzc0LWI4YzAtODBkZWU2YjBhZDU1&hl=en&authkey=CKv6_hg

Take a look at page 4. Look at the Oahu on both bc’s. Why is the Nordykes O in Oahu perfectly aligned, but not on barrys?


34 posted on 05/01/2011 8:20:23 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: kabumpo
I guess the confusion arises as The 14th Amendment relates to slavery.

As I understand it, it was designed to grant citizenship to children born of slaves who, quite possibly, were not born in this country themselves.

35 posted on 05/01/2011 8:21:17 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: jmaroneps37
He now clearly reveals his father was a subject of the British Royal Crown rendering him, Barack Obama II, ineligible to assume the U.S. Presidency!

People have been constantly making that statement since long before and after this recent release of the long form BC. And Obama has always claimed that Obama from Kenya is his father.

So, it's pretty obvious that there is no clear legal prohibition on Obama being eligible for the presidency because his father was from Kenya and not a US citizen.

And it's equally clear that what the conditions that make someone a natural born citizen are not so clearly defined legally as to cover all possible conditions of parentage and place of birth.

No matter where anyone stands on the question of Obama's eligibility, it's pretty absurd to continue making the quoted statement above when Obama has always said Obama Sr. was his father , and it has always been known that Obama Sr. is from Kenya and not an American citizen.

If that particular statement were true and accepted as established law, Obama wouldn't have been allowed to run. But it's not accepted law and people should stop pretending that it is.

36 posted on 05/01/2011 8:23:03 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Grunthor; mojitojoe

Why compare truthers to us debunking barrys bc? There were MANY witness’s, and it’s even on tape, watching those freaks fly a plane into the WTC’s.


37 posted on 05/01/2011 8:25:46 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Not sure what you mean. Every negative analysis of the data in the document has resulted in a finding of "could be" or "always is" or "that's how software really works".

I think you'll need to come up with factoids from ANOTHER SOURCE that are contrary to what is seen in this document.

At the moment the biggest problem I see in this particular issue is the ol'gal in Hawaii cannot imagine speaking without lying ~ Okuba? She's a case. The second biggest problem is the apparent inability of Obama to UNNERSTAN there's a long form and a short form ~

You check that ~ it's his apparent inability to UNDERSTAND long and short ~ and if that's not a problem I can't imagine how it couldn't be.

Then there's fat/thin, up/down, and so on.

The third problem is we have a Congress that actually treats this dunce as if he has some political relevance.

The latest document report does little to reduce the cognitive dissonance arising out of each and every emanation of the White House and its running dog lackeys.

38 posted on 05/01/2011 8:26:10 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Texas Eagle

Note that the Constitution mandates a ‘NATURAL BORN citizen’ for POTUSA. Note that the 14th Amendment addresses the ‘citizen’ only. My take is that the 14th Amendment is merely adjunct to the original Constution as that document also at places speaks only to ‘citizen’. The Founding Fathers made a ‘natural born citizen’ the bedrock for citizenship and used it only as the requirement for POTUSA. Obama is not eligible as POTUSA because the Founding Fathers were intelligent enough to understand there was a need for setting allegience at bedrock for POTUSA for the new Nation. The cases of Arthur and Obama just ‘shows to go’ that the best laid plans of man can be usurped by dishonorable persons intending to do such.


39 posted on 05/01/2011 8:30:30 AM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: BuffaloJack

http://alohareporter.com/2010/03/hawaii-considering-law-to-ignore-obama-birthers/


40 posted on 05/01/2011 8:31:25 AM PDT by biggredd1
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