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If bin Laden Was Unarmed, Why Was He Shot?(Did Seals take ANY fire?)
Time/Swampland ^ | 3 May 2011 | Michael Crowley

Posted on 05/03/2011 5:18:12 PM PDT by PilotDave

A major question lingers unanswered at the center of this story: Why was bin Laden killed? Michael Scherer has reported that the Navy Seals who landed at Osama bin Laden’s safehouse were not given orders specifically to kill, but were on a “kill or capture” mission. That implies they were prepared to accept bin Laden’s surrender. It didn’t work out that way. But despite earlier reports to the contrary, including from White House counter-terror adviser John Brennan, Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters Tuesday that bin Laden was in fact unarmed. (“Resistance does not require a firearm,” he said.) So, what happened?

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KEYWORDS: laden; obama; obltermination; osama; shiftingstory; usama
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Enemy fire did NOT bring down heli. Bin Laden was unarmed. Only 5-6 killed. NO Guards at House? NO Resistance that I can find reported at all? All previously reported fire hass been debunked? Women and teen family members shot... As a former combat rated military officer I'm getting uneasy here.
1 posted on 05/03/2011 5:18:22 PM PDT by PilotDave
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To: PilotDave

Who. Cares.


2 posted on 05/03/2011 5:20:49 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: PilotDave
So what?

We murdered him, BFD... why don't all you idiots pause and remember this...


3 posted on 05/03/2011 5:21:47 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: PilotDave

CIA Director Leon Panetta: “Authorities” Were To Kill Bin Laden

“The authorities we have on Bin Laden are to kill him. And that was made clear. But it was also, as part of their rules of engagement, if he suddenly put up his hands and offered to be captured, then— they would have the opportunity, obviously, to capture him. But that opportunity never developed,” CIA director Leon Panetta told NBC News.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/05/03/cia_director_leon_panetta_orders_were_to_kill_bin_laden.html

I’m getting dizzy trying to keep these stories straight.


4 posted on 05/03/2011 5:22:06 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: PilotDave

I agree. There is something off about the account of what happened at that compound.


5 posted on 05/03/2011 5:22:13 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: PilotDave

My bet is that we did not deliver the kill bullet.


6 posted on 05/03/2011 5:22:34 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: PilotDave

I could not care less.
The people in The World Trade Center didn’t have guns either. The people on the hijacked planes didn’t have guns, they didn’t fire shots back, they couldn’t defend themselves. F*** bin Laden.


7 posted on 05/03/2011 5:22:46 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (What, if not a bagel and coffee, confirms the existence of a just and loving God?)
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To: PilotDave

What specifically makes you uneasy? What malfeasance are you hinting at?


8 posted on 05/03/2011 5:22:46 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: PilotDave

9 posted on 05/03/2011 5:23:12 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: PilotDave

3000 people in the Towers, Pentagon and Planes were unarmed too....


10 posted on 05/03/2011 5:23:23 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: PilotDave


11 posted on 05/03/2011 5:23:34 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: PilotDave

The only regret I have is that he wasn’t tortured Jack Bauer style before he was shot.


12 posted on 05/03/2011 5:23:46 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: PilotDave

Q: “Sargent, when you shot Bin Laden in the forehead, what did you feel??”

A: “Recoil.”


13 posted on 05/03/2011 5:24:18 PM PDT by Bean Counter (Vengeance, Victory, Gratitude, Remembrance, Vigilance....)
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To: PilotDave

Like the Florida Sheriff said when his deputies shot and killed a cop killer when asked, “Why did your deputies fire their weapons 42 times?”

“Because that’s all the bullets they had in them.”


14 posted on 05/03/2011 5:24:28 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: PilotDave

He did not surrender. He was then killed. End of story. This was NOT delta force.


15 posted on 05/03/2011 5:24:31 PM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: PilotDave

16 posted on 05/03/2011 5:24:58 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: PilotDave
“I'm getting uneasy here.”

With your experience how could you possibly be getting uneasy about killing the bastard?

17 posted on 05/03/2011 5:25:18 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: PilotDave

Why would a man with a bounty on his head not have a weapon with him at all times?


18 posted on 05/03/2011 5:26:18 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Because the SEAL doing time for a f****** bloody nose can now cite precident and demand a new trial.

Or has standing in demanding these other guys are tried.

Anyway you look at it, this story is so new, no one knows where it can go, but one thing is certain, it sinks zero and his administration.

19 posted on 05/03/2011 5:26:28 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Peter from Rutland

>He did not surrender. He was then killed.

If he was unarmed, wouldn’t it be easier to just beat him down with their own bare hands? Just like the Joker said ‘using a gun is too quick. You can’t savor the suffering. That’s why I use a knife”.


20 posted on 05/03/2011 5:27:11 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: PilotDave
Taking OBL alive would have created a nightmare. Terrorists around the world would have gone into overdrive to seize American hostages and/or commit acts of violence all to demand his release.

Obama and Holder would have had a huge problem because of their past policies which would lead to his trial in a US civilian court, another nightmare. Even if they tried him in a military tribunal you would have had a posse of Wall Street BigLaw attorneys representing him for free turning the trial into a circus while liberals worldwide would be constantly indignant over some perceived "human rights" violation or other.

Obama himself would turn any trial into a circus to promote his cause.

Even though this is not something your or I would have done in combat, this is one guy who had to be shot resisting seizure.

21 posted on 05/03/2011 5:27:14 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: PilotDave

I am beginning to form the hypothesis that rather than a daring raid of sorts, the guards were paid off and they melted away. Our guys just walked right in and gunned Binny down, execution style.


22 posted on 05/03/2011 5:27:14 PM PDT by Jim 726
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To: PilotDave
As a former combat rated military officer I'm getting uneasy here.

Do you understand how the SEALs operate? They are told to do either a capture mission or a kill mission.....usually, there is no middle ground for them.

This was a kill mission, which means you kill the target.

Armed, unarmed, bomb under his tunic, it does not matter....your orders are to kill.

This is not a police action or a movie, and only liberals will try to turn it into one.

23 posted on 05/03/2011 5:27:24 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: PilotDave

Trying to care...

24 posted on 05/03/2011 5:27:36 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: PilotDave

I have no problem whatsoever with him being on a shoot to kill list. Can you imagine the disruption bringing him to trial would have caused in our nation?

They would have demanded he be tried in our criminal courts. It would have been a circus. This guy could have defended himself over the ten years. He relished taking credit for this attack.

While I understand where you’re coming from, there are exceptions to every rule.

Besides, he’s with his 72 virgins. Every good practicing Muslim knows that.


25 posted on 05/03/2011 5:28:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The only thing higher than Obama's chin, is his ass facing West five times a day.)
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To: PilotDave

The reason he was shot was so that he would not be either a prisoner who would inspire terrorist acts to get him released, or a defendant in a trial where he could whip up support or embarrass the US. They didn’t know what to do with him alive, so boom, he’s gone. It MIGHT be the same conundrum that caused such a delay in acting in the first place.


26 posted on 05/03/2011 5:28:30 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: knarf

You guys are so clueless, your will to drag the memories of those who died on 9/11 thru the mud, accused Navy SEALS of murder all because you hate the current president.

If this had happened under Bush all of you would be throwing a parade from NYC to Los Angeles.


27 posted on 05/03/2011 5:28:36 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: PilotDave

The handwriting is on the wall.

The Navy Seals will be thrown under the bus.

People just dont see it yet. Carney gave some major clues.

All people here can see is a terrorist they wanted dead is dead.

Judge N is already talking about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBXHY5jHK-I&feature=player_embedded


28 posted on 05/03/2011 5:28:42 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: PilotDave
How about because he needed killin'!
29 posted on 05/03/2011 5:28:42 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: PilotDave

We don’t know Jack S### about how it went down until after the Seals had been formerly debriefed, and the transcript of that debriefing released. The News has horribly reported on this so far. - Guessing really.


30 posted on 05/03/2011 5:29:28 PM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: PilotDave
There's no way we were bringing him out alive, regardless of what orders were given. Every single SEAL going in knew how that mission was going to end, and they'll stick to that story. Be as uneasy as you like, they did the right thing.

Capturing Osama alive would have been a nightmare for America. Every two-bit terrorist in the world would take innocent hostages to bargain for his release. We'd be subject to every two-bit NGO talking about how we're mistreating that poor man. A decade long courtroom circus, replete with Islamic propaganda and efforts to turn Osama into a sympathetic figure.

We were going to put a missile through his head. We put a bullet instead. Either way, it's over.

31 posted on 05/03/2011 5:30:58 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: PilotDave
"As a former combat rated military officer I'm getting uneasy here."

Queasy fighter jock?

32 posted on 05/03/2011 5:31:18 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

3000 unarmed civilians... never mind hundreds around the world. That’s why.


33 posted on 05/03/2011 5:31:34 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: colorado tanker

Bingo.
The best solution was to nail him.


34 posted on 05/03/2011 5:31:38 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: NavyCanDo

Is there any evidence the SEALS were even involved? I wouldn’t expect their identities to ever be involved, so it would be pretty easy to have CIA spooks do the job, then claim it was a raid by the SEALS. Just saying...


35 posted on 05/03/2011 5:32:03 PM PDT by Jim 726
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To: Erik Latranyi

Doesn’t make it legal.

There are troops on the ground that are getting murdered by the Taliban because of the Ridiculous Rules of Engagement under Obama.

If those soldiers have to abide by them and get killed because of it ..then so do these Navy Seals.

I am not blaming Navy Seals. They did what they were told.

But sadly, they will be thrown under the bus if Obama has his way if the it hits the fan.

They are already laying the groundwork.


36 posted on 05/03/2011 5:32:19 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: PilotDave

“Dead or alive, you’re coming with me!”


37 posted on 05/03/2011 5:32:44 PM PDT by getarope (Paddle faster, I hear banjo music!)
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To: knarf

Im actually supporting Zero on this single issue. The only way to oppose him is to call for the one worlders at the Hague to try him under” International Law” and those are about the only people in the West I despise more than the American Left. Gotta go with sovereignty and Zeros right to make that executive desision as CIC. Would have wanted Bush to do the same and the rats would be calling on war crime trials. I would rather avoid hypocrisy and stay consistent on my principles, though the knee jerk makes me want to find something to criticize.


38 posted on 05/03/2011 5:34:59 PM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: PilotDave
Title Only:

He was shot through the head because he is a menace to the free world. Who gives a sh*t if he was unarmed; so were the people in the WTC, Pentagon and on Flight 93.

39 posted on 05/03/2011 5:36:16 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman ("...; because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,... "Hosea 4:6)
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To: Jim 726

‘Our guys just walked right in and gunned Binny down, execution style.’

Don’t believe it, but it works for me!


40 posted on 05/03/2011 5:36:34 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: PilotDave

Jay Carney, White House spokesman, clearly stated today that there was a firefight. More than once I think. What is the truth? These boys can’t get even the small things straight.


41 posted on 05/03/2011 5:37:03 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: PilotDave

Do you actually expect us to take an article written for Time/CNN seriously.

I think NOT.


42 posted on 05/03/2011 5:39:20 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: PilotDave
Whether it was decided to put the emphasis more on kill or more on capture, that is up to the White House to decide, and they would be supported here in either case, I imagine. And if the Administration needs to obfuscate a bit on the actual instructions, that too is understood.

But, having made such a decision, it is imperative to our foreign policy that the Administration get its story straight. The story is jumbled and confused, with different stories by different people, and the same people giving different stories at different times.

Our enemies will exploit the Administration's confusion, and portray our US Navy Seal heroes as hit men and assassins, and our Government as cowardly buffoons.

The moral advantage we have over the terrorists will be muddled, and our propaganda advantage turned against us.

43 posted on 05/03/2011 5:40:22 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: PilotDave

A. As far as I’m concerned, that had to shoot him. What are they going to do, bring him back to NYC, have Eric Holder read him his Miranda rights, have a trial that lasts for five years, and let him off on a technicality? While the Muzzie terrorists attack NYC ten different ways?

B. As far as Time Magazine is concerned, I’m glad they are asking these questions. Obama aches to be seen as a hero by his supporters. The more doubt there is among these leftist dingbats, the better.

Time for the UN to send in investigators, and see how Obama handles THAT. Bush would have just told them to get stuffed. But Obama will take at least 9 months to make up his mind how to respond.


44 posted on 05/03/2011 5:41:15 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Jim 726

So far ZERO evidence has been presented by the Soetoro regime that ANY of this has happened, and until evidence IS presented, my only conclusion is this is once again another scam perpetrated by Mr. Soetoro to draw attention away from himself. I can imagine it was getting awfully hot in the WH with Mr. Trump constantly breathing down the back of our first foreign born Islamic posing as a US President, so what to do? Hey I know! A miracle has happened! We found Hitler hiding out in Graceland! And we....we..we killed him! yeah that’s it! And we immediately dumped him into the ocean so nobody can ever ever find him! Because when you finally have the most wanted man in the world, the first order of business is to get rid of him as fast as possible like Seigfreid and Roy magic! ..Yes! So please change the headlines!


45 posted on 05/03/2011 5:44:23 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Do or do not... there is no try)
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To: PilotDave
Mark Levin heard from a reliable source a few days ago that OBL's own security guard killed him because he had orders not to allow him to be taken alive.

I would hope that our mission was to kill him period. No time-consuming, costly trial that would give him a platform to spew his poison. No incarceration that would allow his rabid followers to try to free him directly or abduct Americans and others to use for ransom or barter. Death offers unique finality and closure.

My only real problem with all of this was the supposed Islamic funeral and the 40 minute ceremony. Can anyone imagine such a thing for the Nazis or Tojo or any of the other evil bastards who declared and waged war on the US. As a Navy veteram, I am disgusted that this was performed on a naval vessel. I wonder how the USS Cole sailors would view this.

46 posted on 05/03/2011 5:46:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RummyChick
Carney IS laying the groundwork to double cross our armed forces some how.

It is just plain stupid to continually emphasize UBL was not armed when shot, an just too unusual for a WH that micro-manages every uttered phrase.

And does anyone think Obama looked anything but angry when he announced UBL's permanent room temp adjustment?

The UN is now starting to make the charge that we violated UBL's due process rights, so we will soon see who Obama truly cares about.

47 posted on 05/03/2011 5:46:18 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: PilotDave

All of those people celebrating his death are very concerned about whether or not he was armed...NOT!

It is a constant source of amazement to me how tone deaf politicians are.


48 posted on 05/03/2011 5:46:32 PM PDT by rbbeachkid (Get out of its way and small business can fix the economy.)
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To: PilotDave

Common sense dictates you kill mad dogs on sight. Doesn’t matter if they are going for your throat, running from you as fast as they can, or lying simpering at your feet.

Good riddance to one more mad dog.


49 posted on 05/03/2011 5:48:47 PM PDT by ConservativeAtLast
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To: PilotDave

Dumb question- Because he was Usama.

I suppose you would rather our SEALS wait for him to pull out his firearm, they check the firearm to make sure it is real and loaded, consult some lawyers to determine if it was justifiable, then form a committee to determine the best course of action.

Next question?


50 posted on 05/03/2011 5:49:02 PM PDT by mnehring
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