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Schools seem to be teaching kids a lot more a lot faster

Posted on 05/12/2011 6:49:09 PM PDT by no gnu taxes

We took our 5 year old to kindergarten registration yesterday and I am surprised at how much kids are expected to learn there these days. Don't know if it is the same way everywhere.

Back when I was in school, kindergarten was strictly private and kids only learned things like social "niceties" and basically just played and colored for activities.

Kids now are expected to know their alphabet, know how to write their name, be able to count to 20, and know all of the basic colors and shapes BEFORE they start kindergarten. I didn't know those things when I started 1st grade. By the end of kindergarten, they are doing basic math and composing short essays.


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1 posted on 05/12/2011 6:49:11 PM PDT by no gnu taxes
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To: no gnu taxes

Gotta get the basics out of the way so the real marxist indoctrination can begin.


2 posted on 05/12/2011 6:51:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: no gnu taxes

Sure...they teach them everything but how to think for themselves. At least they aren’t making them sit through “An Inconvenient Truth” anymore.


3 posted on 05/12/2011 6:52:17 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: no gnu taxes

We do everything backwards. We try to stuff academic knowledge into little kids who should be learning to play games on the playground, but when kids get to the prime learning age of 10-14, we let them go off and do their own thing.


4 posted on 05/12/2011 6:53:12 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: rlmorel

Now days they’re teaching them about the evils of capitalism.


5 posted on 05/12/2011 6:53:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: no gnu taxes

If they aren’t up here in Massachusetts, they probably aren’t teaching them about homosexuality yet, either.

Yet.

Out in Orange, MA, they prohibited an 11 year old kid from hanging his picture of an American flag on the wall because it might offend “one of the other students”.

No lie.


6 posted on 05/12/2011 6:55:31 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: cripplecreek

We officially started homeschooling with our 4 (almost 5) year-old two days ago.

Very excited.


7 posted on 05/12/2011 6:57:33 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: no gnu taxes

Kids who watch Sesame Street learn this knowledge quite quicklyM
. It’s visual repetition.


8 posted on 05/12/2011 6:59:03 PM PDT by windcliff
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To: wolf24

If I had kids that’s definitely what I would be trying to do one way or another. The schools are too far gone.


9 posted on 05/12/2011 6:59:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: no gnu taxes

It’s almost like they know more in third-fourth grade than any future grade. The lack of real moral guideline and training means that the kids become feral once the hormones start kicking in.

I’m speaking from my experiences during two recent years doing substitute teaching in all grades in over a dozen schools.

Yes, the technology is really great, far more information and educational materials available to anyone anywhere. But the textbooks are horrid, the moral guidance absent, the classroom demeanor too chaotic to learn in many classes.

Still up to third grade, it’s reasonably good. After that — shameful, except that the modern school establishment knows shame not.


10 posted on 05/12/2011 7:01:30 PM PDT by bvw
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It really depends on where you live. Here in rural West Virginia where the teachers tend to be nearly as socially conservative as the general population, the liberal indoctrination crap is slim to none. The teachers at my kids school even ignore the stupid nutrition rules the state passed that bans candy and “unhealthy” snacks at school parties, they just let the parents pass them out and pretend not to notice.


11 posted on 05/12/2011 7:02:49 PM PDT by apillar
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Since the kids need to know it before starting school, it sound more like the parents are doing the teaching.

It gives the school more time to indoctrinate the young minds about Heather’s two momies.


12 posted on 05/12/2011 7:07:55 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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Don’t worry. After 12 years, they’ll be totally illiterate.


13 posted on 05/12/2011 7:08:09 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: no gnu taxes

As I recall, not only did we know colors shapes ABCs and numbers. we had to know how to read basic words and sentences. Of course that was the 60s....... My children just graduated HS and the senior year sole requirement was to eat lunch.(no actual classes were required!)


14 posted on 05/12/2011 7:09:21 PM PDT by Snuph ("give me Liberty...")
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To: no gnu taxes

If I may, what inspired you to sign up today to post this?


15 posted on 05/12/2011 7:09:53 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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Learning the basics has been pushed down so that kids are now expected to learn what they used to learn a grade or two early.

Five year-olds should be playing and learning how to get along, not academics. As a sweet friend (preschool teacher) of mine once said, “Future employers can train people to do the job, they need people who can get along together.”


16 posted on 05/12/2011 7:12:19 PM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: cripplecreek
I am angry and cynical about public education. I have been poking around the recovery.gov website, which is supposed to provide transparency to how stimulus funds were spent in your state.

While attempting to figure out how much a new visitor center at a state park in Sudbury, MA cost that had THIS blood pressure-raising sign in front of it:

I was unable to determine how much this thing cost (at least millions) but I did stumble across some stuff that I am going to try to post on here when I get it together.

They make the website and data so obtuse that even I began to lose focus after a while. But after downloading quarterly data into a spreadsheet and manipulating it, I found that in successive quarters, there were large outlays of stimulus funds, two million dollars here, two million dollars there to an entity called Minuteman Nashoba Health. These were by far the largest chunks of outlays. So when I looked it up, you know what it was?

Healthcare for teacher's unions. Damned healthcare for unions.

MY TAX DOLLARS, THAT THE GOVERNMENT TOLD US WAS CRITICAL TO KEEPING THE COUNTRY AFLOAT, ARE BEING USED FOR A LUXURY WELCOME CENTER THAT PROBABLY PROVIDES ONE FTE, AND IS BEING USED TO PROP UP LAVISH UNIONS.

Sudbury is one of the wealthiest towns in Massachusetts. and they were getting millions and millions in just a couple of quarters I looked at to pay for teacher's health care.

To say I am pissed is an understatement. So I am not in a mood to talk about how great public schools are today.

17 posted on 05/12/2011 7:14:24 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: no gnu taxes

They really do of themselves alot and have to resort to contrived studies alot.


18 posted on 05/12/2011 7:15:17 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: no gnu taxes

Last chance to learn before the union teachers get their claws into them.


19 posted on 05/12/2011 7:17:39 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: rlmorel
I was a hold out on closing the public schools until Glenn Beck turned me on to this little gem a month or so back. "We are one" teacher's toolkit.

Teachers Toolkit (pdf)

It includes this handy little "student pledge form".

AS A STUDENT who believes in acting collectively and who supports workers’ right to bargain for good jobs and a better life, I am interested in doing one or more of the following (please check all that apply):

I want to connect with the union movement on my campus or in my community.

I want to help organize a teach-in like today’s for others on my campus or on a different campus.

I want to support workers’ organizing and collective bargaining struggles on my campus and in my community.

I want to learn about the AFL-CIO’s Organizing Institute programs. Please e-mail me information.

I would like to become a member of Working America, the community and student affiliate of the AFL-CIO. (www.workingamerica.org)

I would like to talk to someone about becoming an organizer for Working America.

20 posted on 05/12/2011 7:21:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: no gnu taxes

My kindergarten was only half a day and we had to write our name, count(to ten I think), and know our address and phone number to get to first grade. Some kids knew more than the minimum. I remember being angry that I didn’t know the days of the week when a girl in my class did.


21 posted on 05/12/2011 7:23:57 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: no gnu taxes

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/about_us/as_seen_on/how-productive-is-your-child%27s-school%3F

My granddaughters school.


22 posted on 05/12/2011 7:32:45 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: Snuph

That was my recollection about kindergarten. Then again, I am 63 years old and went to public school in NYC before the teachers were unionized.


23 posted on 05/12/2011 7:37:02 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: no gnu taxes
Kids now are expected to know their alphabet,

Cyrillic or Chinese?

know how to write their name,

How else can they sign away their rights?

be able to count to 20,

How else will they know how many full meals in a month?

and know all of the basic colors

Mostly red.

and shapes

You know, hammers, ... sickles, ... that kind of thing.

24 posted on 05/12/2011 7:40:56 PM PDT by PENANCE
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They want them to know it so that the teachers won’t have to do their jobs.


25 posted on 05/12/2011 7:46:19 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: cripplecreek

Un-frickking-believable.

Thanks for that link...

This was just two fiscal quarters in Massachusetts, stimulus money going to pay for teacher’s unions healthcare:

FY 2010 Q2
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH Health Insurance premiums for district employees $1,184,601
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH School employees health insurance payments (Apr-Jun) $382,238
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH GROUP 4th quarter FY09 health insurance premiums $265,251

FY2010 Q3
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH School employees health insurance payments (Apr-Jun) $382,238
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH Health Insurance premiums for district employees $1,184,601
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH GROUP FY10 health insurance premiums $183,765
MINUTEMAN NASHOBA HEALTH GROUP 4th quarter FY09 health insurance premiums $26,5251
MINUTEMAN-NASHOBA HEALTH GROUP Health Insurance Trust $241,820
MINUTEMAN/NASHOBA HEALTH Emp por health insurance premiums for school employees $18,8029


26 posted on 05/12/2011 7:46:39 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: cripplecreek

Link didn’t work for me...


27 posted on 05/12/2011 7:48:09 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: wolf24

Good for you. God bless you and good luck!


28 posted on 05/12/2011 7:48:53 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel

Gotta keep the sheeple and the useful idiots stupid until after 2012, then they can let the shoe drop.


29 posted on 05/12/2011 7:50:11 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: no gnu taxes

I agree. Our 2nd grade grandson in AK has already learned fractions ~ in 2nd grade! And he has weekly book reports due plus an hour of homework nightly.

I was shocked.


30 posted on 05/12/2011 7:50:59 PM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: FourPeas

I was being too polite to ask that question. I don’t think I posted a vanity thread until I had been on FR for about a year.


31 posted on 05/12/2011 7:51:27 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: tcrlaf

32 posted on 05/12/2011 7:52:51 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: apillar

Thank God for our “backward” ways here in WV. As you say, the teachers are pretty conservative. We even managed to get a Tea Party guy on the Board of Ed. They are pretty much the same way along the Ohio River on the Ohio side. Probably because so many WV folks move over there. My DIL is a kindergarten teacher and the school where she teaches is gung ho patriotic and conservative. The kids even put on a great appreciation show for the fathers who are vets last fall. There were many “cloudy” eyes that day.


33 posted on 05/12/2011 7:52:51 PM PDT by WVNan
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Sigh. America. It is still out there somewhere. Sometimes, just not here.


34 posted on 05/12/2011 7:54:38 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: wolf24

Congradulations.


35 posted on 05/12/2011 8:00:41 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: wolf24

Have fun! I remember starting with my first four year old.

A tough and rewarding journey.


36 posted on 05/12/2011 8:13:30 PM PDT by Persevero (We don't need Superman -- we have the Special Forces)
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To: rlmorel; freedomfiter2; Persevero

Thanks for your kind sentiments!

My wife is spearheading the effort at this point! I came home from work for lunch and they were reading “The Boxcar Children”....


37 posted on 05/12/2011 8:27:51 PM PDT by wolf24
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To: rlmorel

We all have a cross to bear. For all her conservative ways, WV is still democrap because of the unions. It’s an uphill climb to try and change that machine.


38 posted on 05/12/2011 8:31:33 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: no gnu taxes

when i started kindergarten in the early seventies, i had to know my abc’s, count to 20, know my full name, phone number, and how to tie my shoes.
a few months ago i called that same public school and asked what sort of stuff my 5 yr old needed to know when she starts k this year and i was told “oh you know, basically just the stuff she is already learning in pre-school.” i informed this individual that my child does not go to pre-school, or daycare, and i needed to know what i should work with her on. the dingbat on the other end of the phone said “well, i don’t know really, it’s just the stuff she should have learned in pre-school.”
hubbymayhem and i took the girl in for registration and a teacher talked to us and to our daughter. she pulled the girl aside and spent about 20 minutes giving her a “quiz”. my never went to pre-school kid scored 87 out of 100 on a quiz that is specifically designed so that no one gets 100%. the teacher was a bit surprised that no pre-school was involved. alphabet,check; count to 10, check; shapes, check; matching,check; write her name, check; name the picture, check; eventually blow the bell curve all to hell, damn right!


39 posted on 05/12/2011 8:35:11 PM PDT by madamemayhem (defeat is not getting knocked down, it is not getting back up.)
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By the end of kindergarten, they are doing basic math and composing short essays.

Well, a heck of a lot of kids must be skipping kindergarten then because we continually have reports that HS grads and many college freshmen can't do basic math and compose short essays.

40 posted on 05/12/2011 8:47:02 PM PDT by Will88
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The way of public schools, (and some copy cat private schools) has been making me crazy for years. They push for pre-K programs (like here in Florida) and head start so they can start with the indoctrination early. They push them to learn stuff they are not ready to learn and require nightly homework and projects that the parents have problems completing. Much of the time the homework is useless busy work and does nothing to reinforce anything except boredom. It does not make them hungry for more, it teaches them nothing and it is a waste of time. Many of the kids get burned out and frustrated and by the time they reach about the 5th grade they give up. It is an ass-backwards way to teach, but it is no accident. God Bless any parent that is able to home school and God help any that can't.
41 posted on 05/12/2011 8:51:24 PM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( All 4 sharing the truth & wealth of great information found here)
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To: Krodg
"What the eighth graders are learning is crossing the boundaries of language arts, environmental science and deductive reasoning."

Oh good! A public school is catching up to the classical homeschoolers -- this sounds like the integration of subjects, which is proper for the dialectic stage! Kind of like ... medieval classical education! :-)

"Taken by and large, the great difference of emphasis between the two conceptions holds good: modern education concentrates on "teaching subjects," leaving the method of thinking, arguing, and expressing one's conclusions to be picked up by the scholar as he goes along. Medieval education concentrated on first forging and learning to handle the tools of learning, using whatever subject came handy as a piece of material on which to doodle until the use of the tool became second nature." ~ Dorothy Sayers

42 posted on 05/12/2011 8:58:51 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: madamemayhem

Pre-school is so overrated.

Even if your daughter knew nothing, she would soon catch up and fly. I am thoroughly convinced of that. I wasted so much money on pre-school.


43 posted on 05/12/2011 9:02:19 PM PDT by agrarianlady
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To: no gnu taxes

FWIW, I overheard a guy in a restaurant talking just the other day about taking his family to England recently. He has a daughter (18 - 19). They visited the Churchhill memorial; afterward, his daughter asked “who was that guy Churchhill?”

He refers to his daughter as “functionally illiterate.” Good for one thing, having kids. The US is in for a very rough next
30 years.


44 posted on 05/12/2011 9:02:19 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: FourPeas

Yeah, this n00b appears to have a strange smell to him. Have to wait to see what he posts next.... :-)


45 posted on 05/12/2011 9:03:34 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: wolf24

“My wife is spearheading the effort at this point! I came home from work for lunch and they were reading “The Boxcar Children”....”

Readalouds were a huge feature of our home school and I don’t regret one of them.

From the whole Lord of the Rings trilogy, the Hobbit, all the Little Britches and Wilder books, some Dickens. . . Ramona the Pest is a Must Read for our kindergartners, but the whole family listens in. I include the teens.

Right now I am reading Mrs. Piggle Wiggle, my elementary school kid loves but so does my jr higher.


46 posted on 05/12/2011 9:03:55 PM PDT by Persevero (We don't need Superman -- we have the Special Forces)
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To: no gnu taxes

If what you say is true, and generally so, Why Oh Why do I read so often that the kids in our schools by disgustingly large percentages are unable to read at a level of competence deemed appropriate for their age?


47 posted on 05/12/2011 9:18:33 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: no gnu taxes

I also was amazed at what they demanded your 5 year old to know,then quickly found out it was only for their convenience, as they basically get nothing done here as all our local schools are failing ones.
Even the homework in the lower grades involved the parents teaching them what was necessary and then letting them do it.
As they became older they were able to get things done on their own,most likely due to the foundation laid down in the home.


48 posted on 05/12/2011 9:24:19 PM PDT by catroina54
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To: bvw

My sweetie teaches on the southside of Chicago. A Catholic, 100% African-American school. No vouchers, parents pay for tuition and the school has LOTS of fundraisers.

He shares your love of 3rd & 4th graders. While he has to teach several grades, this is still the group he loves the most. The best way I can describe his thoughts are, that he feels this is his last, best chance to really reach kids; before the cultural pressures start taking a toll. I hope I’m explaining it right. I guess he means that they are still kids then, and so teachers can still make a difference. But starting with 5th grade, it becomes progressively more difficult. I guess what we used to call “the sex, drugs, & rock & roll” kick in. By the time the kids reach 7th & 8th grade, he’s ready for them to GO.

By then, the good ones are still good, heading to the better high schools. The rest of them are wasting their parents’ money (and the funds of private benefactors who absorb an enormous chunk of the tuition cost). They are “adult size,” somewhat violent, disrepectful, and interested in continuing the “lifestyle.”

He’s a little discouraged and seeking a geographical transfer next year.


49 posted on 05/13/2011 5:11:30 AM PDT by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: no gnu taxes

Once, Kindergarten was to learn social skills and discipline to be in a place of learning. Then it wasn’t enough, Pre-K was for that. Next, you’ll be required to school them from three or something, jeez.


50 posted on 05/13/2011 5:26:31 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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