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Research Summary on Hawaii Birth Certificate Number 151-1961-010641:
The Post & Email ^ | May 13, 2011 | Researcher

Posted on 05/13/2011 11:28:13 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike

Editor’s Note: The following report was compiled by the person who traveled to Hawaii last July and reported her findings to The Post & Email shortly thereafter.

■According to the COLB posted on http://www.factcheck.org/ for Mr. Obama, his birth certificate number is 151-1961-010641. The number was allegedly assigned when his birth certificate was allegedly filed with the State Registrar on August 8, 1961. The Nordyke twins, whose original long-form birth certificates were posted on the internet, are identified as file numbers 151-1961-010637 and 151-1961-010638 respectively, and were assigned and accepted by the State Registrar on August 11, 1961. I am in possession of an email dated February 3, 2010 in which Ms. Okubo stated that the certificate numbers were assigned by the State Registrar and only in the main DoH office located on Oahu (Honolulu). ■Based on this information, it is not possible that 151-1961-010641 was assigned three days earlier than were 151-1961-010637 and 151-1961-010638. The file number 010641 was likely assigned on Friday, August 11, 1961 and no later than Monday, August 14, 1961. ■A small group of researchers that I work with identified an infant girl named Virginia Sunahara, born on August 4, 1961 at Wahiawa Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu, HI. Due to complications, she was transferred to and later died at Kapiolani Women and Children’s Medical Center (most likely) on August 5, 1961. This happens to coincide with date of birth and birthplace of the Nordyke twins. Assuming that her medical records were also transferred to Kapiolani, the birth certificate likely originated at Kapiolani and was included in the group of birth certificates that contained the Nordyke twins.

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WHERE DID THE NUMBER COME FROM?
1 posted on 05/13/2011 11:28:19 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Oh, birthers, you will never fail to find new sources of tinfoil.


2 posted on 05/13/2011 11:31:54 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
WHERE DID THE NUMBER BIRTH CERTIFICATE COME FROM?
3 posted on 05/13/2011 11:31:54 AM PDT by Jim 0216
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Socrates weeps...


4 posted on 05/13/2011 11:33:04 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; kingattax

Boroach Obuggery is a fraud! Impeach him now!


5 posted on 05/13/2011 11:33:16 AM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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6 posted on 05/13/2011 11:35:21 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: mquinn
It's a conspiracy to keep the price of Aluminum up.

Birthers are a tool of Big Bauxite.

7 posted on 05/13/2011 11:36:07 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

So the real name of the Kenyan is [i]Virginia Sunahara[/i] ? Interesting....


8 posted on 05/13/2011 11:39:57 AM PDT by mvonfr
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To: Hotlanta Mike

This might be why no one else ever came forward to say that was their number!

Wonder if the Mother was Ann. That was the recent name believed to have originally been written on the forgery...Stanley and Dunham to have been Photoshopped.

Interesting.


9 posted on 05/13/2011 11:43:29 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: Hotlanta Mike

ping


10 posted on 05/13/2011 11:43:29 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: mquinn
I want the TRUTH, I'm not going to sit there and act stupid just because someone says he is legit. Something IS definitely wrong and should be investigated. If Birthers are right, heads need to roll, and if we are wrong in our beliefs so be it. At least we got to the TRUTH!!!!
11 posted on 05/13/2011 11:44:01 AM PDT by lula ("The TRUTH has no agenda" Glenn Beck)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

It is looking more and more like barry bassturd was ‘gifted’ a number that had been initially assigned to a little girl who died within days of her birth. So, is that CIA work, or Hawaii covering for their butts after years ago billy ayers’ girlfriend creating an ID for barry bassturd?


12 posted on 05/13/2011 11:44:19 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Well, the various authorities managed to stave off this investigator, so that nothing can be proved. But it certainly fits the timeline. It strikes me as a real possibility.

Note, too, that the Hawaiian registry of births did NOT distribute pre-numbered birth forms to the various hospitals, as I have often seen the anti-birthers claim. Instead, the forms were numbered at the central office in the order in which they were received.

So the date discrepancy between Obama’s supposed date of birth and birth number and those of the Nordyke twins remains unexplained.

As I said, no proof here, because the officials stonewalled the investigator. But it certainly is a possible explanation of who Obama’s family and their accomplices stole the birth certificate from.


13 posted on 05/13/2011 11:45:35 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: Hotlanta Mike

this whole thing stinks like a 5 day old fish for sure. the bigger problem is our master’s unwillingness to do anything about it.


14 posted on 05/13/2011 11:52:06 AM PDT by Jeff Vader
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To: mquinn

I’m not going to say Obama is illegitimate, but everything that doesn’t coincide with who he is supposed to be needs to be investgated.


15 posted on 05/13/2011 11:52:14 AM PDT by Jonty30
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DONATE


16 posted on 05/13/2011 12:02:23 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: mquinn

Funny how your tagline accurately describes you.

You Obama-bot trolls are just so much noise as you cover year ears and say “la-la-la-la” whenever new data is revealed on the issue of Certifigate.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 12:02:54 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: mvonfr
Amazingly there are a good number of Ann Sunahara's around ~ and in Hawaii too. Hmm.

Yes?

No?

18 posted on 05/13/2011 12:03:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mquinn

Anyone that believes that bc is real has his head in the sand. He’s had alot of time to get a decent fake made and he finally did when he had to. Everyone knew he would eventually come up with a fake. Unfortunaltely, there’s nothing to be done about it. I guess you think it’s ok to have a fraud as president. Why did it take him so long to show it?


19 posted on 05/13/2011 12:03:21 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: mquinn

An electronic facsimile of an alleged document is not proof of authenticity.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 12:05:43 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: lula

How will you know when you get the truth?


21 posted on 05/13/2011 12:13:55 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

When it reinforces what Birthers want to be true. Then it will be declared as “Truth”.


22 posted on 05/13/2011 12:18:35 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Interesting information contained at the link. Thanks for posting it.

I sure wish someone would make another effort (or multiple efforts) to get the Sunahara family to cooperate in getting copies of both documents. The truth in this matter would help to either expose the usurper and his co-conspirators or close the door on a false lead.

So far, it sounds like the assumptions have a fair chance of proving to be true, especially in light of the serious abnormalities in the so-called “proof” offered up by the 0bama people.


23 posted on 05/13/2011 12:22:01 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( Obama's in need of a good Caining next year. )))))
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To: El Sordo

Sounds about right.


24 posted on 05/13/2011 12:23:27 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: stuartcr

When a non-doctored document is produced that proves one side right and one side wrong.

And by “document” I specifically exclude a digital image posted to a website or sent in an email.

Thus far, that all the 0bama people have produced. They’ve proven exactly nothing to verify that he was born in Hawaii.


25 posted on 05/13/2011 12:25:59 PM PDT by Two Kids' Dad ((((( Obama's in need of a good Caining next year. )))))
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To: dandiegirl

I don’t think anyone “believes” it because they have their head in the sand - well, maybe idiots. But anyone promoting it as “real” on FR is just a troll, serving their master. Hardcore Dems and supporters of Zero don’t care what crimes are committed to keep him usurping in the White House. Crime means nothing to them, truth means nothing to them.


26 posted on 05/13/2011 12:28:04 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: lula

Obama’s FR apologists claim that demanding the president prove his constitutional qualifications is a waste of time; at the same time, they always have the time to chime in with their ad ignorantium opinions.


27 posted on 05/13/2011 12:34:45 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Two Kids' Dad

I guess we’ll just have to wait until that happens then.


28 posted on 05/13/2011 12:35:03 PM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Two Kids' Dad
If, as he claims...



... Obama has two certified copies of his birth certificate, why does he not make one copy available for inspection, instead of releasing an obviously doctored electronic version?
29 posted on 05/13/2011 12:36:07 PM PDT by obama-facts (www.obama-facts.org)
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To: El Sordo

Hope and Change are all that’s left in Pandora’s Bauxite.


30 posted on 05/13/2011 12:42:02 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Cicero; Hotlanta Mike; Nepeta; Plummz; Bikkuri; GregNH; Fantasywriter; warsaw44; ColdOne; ...
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■According to the COLB posted on http://www.factcheck.org/ for 0bama, his birth certificate number is 151-1961-010641.

The number was allegedly assigned when his birth certificate was allegedly filed with the State Registrar on August 8, 1961.

The Nordyke twins, whose original long-form birth certificates were posted on the internet, are identified as file numbers 151-1961-010637 and 151-1961-010638 respectively, and were assigned and accepted by the State Registrar on August 11, 1961.

I am in possession of an email dated February 3, 2010 in which Ms. Okubo stated that the certificate numbers were assigned by the State Registrar and only in the main DoH office located on Oahu (Honolulu).

■Based on this information, it is not possible that 151-1961-010641 was assigned three days earlier than were 151-1961-010637 and 151-1961-010638.

The file number 010641 was likely assigned on Friday, August 11, 1961 and no later than Monday, August 14, 1961.

■A small group of researchers that I work with identified an infant girl named Virginia Sunahara, born on August 4, 1961 at Wahiawa Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu, HI.

Due to complications, she was transferred to and later died at Kapiolani Women and Children’s Medical Center (most likely) on August 5, 1961.

This happens to coincide with date of birth and birthplace of the Nordyke twins. Assuming that her medical records were also transferred to Kapiolani, the birth certificate likely originated at Kapiolani and was included in the group of birth certificates that contained the Nordyke twins.>/i>

Cicero wrote, "it certainly is a possible explanation of who 0bama’s family and their accomplices stole the birth certificate from."

. . . . Article, then alot more at the link.

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31 posted on 05/13/2011 12:59:30 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: tumblindice
Obama’s FR apologists claim that demanding the president prove his constitutional qualifications is a waste of time; at the same time, they always have the time to chime in with their ad ignorantium opinions

It doesn't take much time to point out that argumentum ad ignorantium is a logical fallacy--that just because you don't have proof doesn't mean something is proven false.

Sorta like BHO's birth claims.

32 posted on 05/13/2011 1:01:37 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
re: WHERE DID THE NUMBER COME FROM?

Reminds me of the old, old joke about the buck private who was standing guard duty at 3 am in the middle of nowhere when his Lt. suddenly showed up and asked him “What would you do if you saw a destroyer sailing across that open field toward you?” The private replied “I sink it with a torpedo, sir!” The officer responded, “Oh yeah, and just WHERE would you get a torpedo?” The private’s reply, “Same place you got your destroyer, sir!”

So the answer is, THAT number came from the same place as Obama’s social security number!

33 posted on 05/13/2011 1:05:21 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (I would rather lose with Sarah than win with a RINO!)
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To: LucyT

Now THAT is gold!


34 posted on 05/13/2011 1:06:17 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (A Movement that does not move cannot call itself a Movement.)
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To: LucyT

Now THAT is gold!


35 posted on 05/13/2011 1:06:35 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (A Movement that does not move cannot call itself a Movement.)
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To: mquinn
Oh, birthers, you will never fail to find new sources of tinfoil.

Please enlighten us on the LF certificate. Why do you believe the WH release is real? Please share your forensic qualifications with us. As a newb you sure are quite the believer in Obama. Why is that?
36 posted on 05/13/2011 1:07:22 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: LucyT

Thanks, Lucy


37 posted on 05/13/2011 1:08:28 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: obama-facts
OMG, Are you telling me that his lawyer took a private jet out to Hawaii to personally pick TWO certified PDF's??????
38 posted on 05/13/2011 1:15:22 PM PDT by GregNH (Re-Elect "No Body")
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To: obama-facts
... Obama has two certified copies of his birth certificate, why does he not make one copy available for inspection, instead of releasing an obviously doctored electronic version?

According to the Expert testimony May 10, 2011 in the Taitz case, the fraud took place in Hawaii from a couple of different COLBs. They may not have a hard copy to release. The AP version was scanned and flattened version of what was given by the WH. The WH released "digital" version was the one entered into evidence.
39 posted on 05/13/2011 1:17:10 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: mquinn

Another AFTERbirther autotron speaks out from a position of weakness. I’d ask you a question but you are probley a computer program.


40 posted on 05/13/2011 1:31:06 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: stuartcr

Because you will no longer be posting on out threads asking stupid questions.


41 posted on 05/13/2011 1:34:22 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: stuartcr

Because you will no longer be posting on our threads asking stupid questions.


42 posted on 05/13/2011 1:34:31 PM PDT by stockpirate (Republicans that vote for socialism, support socialists are socialists.)
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To: mquinn

Worried, troll?


43 posted on 05/13/2011 1:34:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: lula

BINGO! and the concern troll is so very concerned.


44 posted on 05/13/2011 1:36:17 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Hotlanta Mike
SUBJ: EXPLANATION FOR LATER OBAMA BC NUMBER

I just emailed the following at 2:54 PM CT, today, Friday, 05/13/2011, to info@devrich.com, the guy who made the video re: the purported "birth certificate" on http://FakeBirthCertificate.org, debunking the version found on http://WhiteHouse.gov:

Dear info@devrich.com,

I saw your video of Obama's alleged "Birth Certificate."

You analysis is GREAT, but I think you stated that the twins were born hours before him.

The OBAMA "certificate"
Birth: 7:24 PM on 08/*04*/1961
Signed: 08/08/1961
Certificate: 10641

The TWINS' certificates:
Birth: 2:12 PM and 2:17 PM on 08/*05*/1961
Signed: 08/11/1961
Certificates: 10637 an 10638

--i.e. the twins were born 19 "certificate-hours" "LATER"--
with 10637 an 10638, and 5 minutes apart, respectively

The MOST LOGICAL explanation is that **IF** Obama was ACTUALLY born in **KENYA**, it would have taken EXTRA TIME for even a PHONE CALL to be made back to Hawaii---via a long distance operator---or even a wire---to relay the message of the birth to Hawaii.

In addition, according to the world map found at WORLD MAP WITH TIME ZONES (http://www.worldtimezone.com/index24.php), Kenya is THIRTEEN (13) HOURS **AHEAD** of Hawaii, due to the time zones, so:

KENYA @ 1924 (7:24 PM) on 08/04/1961 (Obama's purported birth time) would be
HAWAII @ 0624 (6:24 AM) on 08/04/1961 (1924 - 1300 = HAWAII 0624) and

HAWAII @ 1412 (2:12 PM) on 08/**05**/1961 (the first twin's birth date & time) would be
KENYA @ 0312 (3:12 AM) on 08/**06**/1961 (HI 1412 + 1300 = KENYA 2712, putting it to the next day)

Comparing the times in Kenyan time, Obama was born at 1924 on 08/04/1961 KENYAN TIME
and the first twin was born at 0312 on 08/**06**/1961 KENYAN TIME,
so if Obama was born in Kenya, he was born 1 DAY, 7 HRS, 48 MIN earlier than the first twin:

08/04/1961 @ 2400 minus
08/04/1961 @ 1924 equals 4 hrs 36 min before on 8/04/1961

Plus ALL 24 hrs of 08/05/1961

08/06/1961 @ 0312 minus
08/06/1961 @ 0000 equals 3 hrs 12 min of 08/06/1961

TOTAL: **IF** Obama was born in KENYA, he was born 1 DAY, 7 HRS, 48 MIN of **ACTUAL** TIME PASSING **BEFORE** the first twin was born in Hawaii.

If Obama's mother (or Obama's purported Kenyan relatives) did not or could not get a phone call placed through to Hawaii that night (remember how hard it was to make long distance calls even WITHIN the U.S. in 1961, much less FROM AFRICA), it could very well might not have even been ATTEMPTED until 0800 (8 AM) Kenyan time on 08/05/1961 (i.e. the next day), and could VERY EASILY have taken until JUST AFTER the TWINS' BIRTH, to even be known about in Hawaii and forwarded to the proper authorities for recording the birth of the child of Hawaiian residents.

If actual "Doctors" (or "officials") in Hawaii were made aware of the birth as soon as it was known in Hawaii (or they received some sort of actual documentation via wire from Kenya), they may have SIGNED the "certificate" on 08/08/1961, but may have WAITED for some actual documents to arrive by wire.

It is the only LOGICAL explanation that makes sense to me.

45 posted on 05/13/2011 1:38:12 PM PDT by Concerned (My Motto: It's NEVER wrong to do what's RIGHT!!! -- VoteSurber.org)
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To: mquinn

keep drinking your kool-aid, 0bot.


46 posted on 05/13/2011 1:40:41 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Responsibility2nd

That.... is a troll.


47 posted on 05/13/2011 1:42:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: mquinn; LucyT; Las Vegas Ron; Candor7
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48 posted on 05/13/2011 1:42:43 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: LucyT

:) tick tock


49 posted on 05/13/2011 1:45:20 PM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: LucyT; BP2; Fred Nerks; Jim Robinson
■A small group of researchers that I work with identified an infant girl named Virginia Sunahara, born on August 4, 1961 at Wahiawa Hospital in Wahiawa, Oahu, HI.

Due to complications, she was transferred to and later died at Kapiolani Women and Children’s Medical Center (most likely) on August 5, 1961.


I believe this piece of particular evidence was originally found by BP2 in 2009, and Fred Nerks re-found this key information while researching FR.

It is a logical choice for Obama to use Virginia's birth certificate number for a forgery, and this lead is now being followed up. :-)

50 posted on 05/13/2011 1:53:07 PM PDT by Red Steel
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