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Court: Chicago Must Hire 111 Black Firefighters
The Constitution Club ^ | 05-14-11 | The Rat

Posted on 05/14/2011 4:32:09 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen

JUSTICE SERVED?

The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Friday that the Chicago Fire Department must hire 111 black applicants who passed a firefighters entrance exam 16 years ago and pay millions of dollars to thousands more who took and passed the same test.

Was justice served?

An attorney for the group said that the 111 jobs would be filled from applicants who passed the 1995 test and that their pensions would be adjusted as if they’d been firefighters since 1995.

Attorney Joshua Karsh also said that 6,000 other blacks who also passed the test will divide “tens of millions of dollars” that would have been paid to 111 firefighters from 1995 until today.

The 1995 test was intended to measure an aptitude for firefighting. Officials indicated that they would randomly hire the top 1,800 who scored 89 or better. Because only 11 percent of black candidates scored 89 or better, the overwhelming number of applicants hired from the test were white.

As a result of the ongoing court challenges to the 1995 test, the city didn’t offer another one until 2006. What did they change? The new test was given on a pass/fail basis – ALL applicants – not just the top ones – were processed randomly.

Maybe that’s fine for firefighters – maybe it’s not; I’m not an expert on the requisite skills of firefighters. Doctors? Engineers? America’s schools and universities?

Hopefully, the playing field will be leveled before we have to find out the hard way.


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; chicago; firefighters; merit

1 posted on 05/14/2011 4:32:14 PM PDT by TheConservativeCitizen
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

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2 posted on 05/14/2011 4:35:06 PM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals states you have to hire blacks who are less qualified then other applicants and pay them millions of dollars in lawsuit fees.

The color of one’s skin is more important than one’s aptitude and intelligence according to the court.


3 posted on 05/14/2011 4:41:49 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

“Fire Department must hire 111 black applicants who passed a firefighters entrance exam 16 years ago...”

Are they going to repeat the physical tests or is the recruit who 16 years later is 40lbs. overweight, 16 years older and lacking the strength of a younger man overlooked for political correctness?


4 posted on 05/14/2011 4:42:30 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
Since when does passing the test guarantee employment?
5 posted on 05/14/2011 4:50:14 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Now who would have believed that this could happen in a northern city such as Chicago. After all, these things only happen in the South. Why down here below the Mason-Dixon Line, we still have to have a federal judge approve the closure of schools for budget purposes and also changes to the curriculum at most of the schools in predominately minority neighborhoods for fear that there will not be equality.

If this discrimination thing happened in the fire department, perhaps it is happening in other governmental institutions. Now how in the hell did this get by our “Community Organizer-in Chief” during his tenure in Chicago? Can he get anything right?


6 posted on 05/14/2011 4:51:28 PM PDT by Saltmeat
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Should they appeal this? Frankly, I’m not at all sure what SCOTUS would do at this point. They’ve all gone mad.


7 posted on 05/14/2011 4:53:19 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Can some of those be white guys covered with soot?

Sorry for the off-color humor...


8 posted on 05/14/2011 4:53:52 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Brace yourselves for the next Great Chicago Fire, Windy Citizens.


9 posted on 05/14/2011 4:53:59 PM PDT by Argus
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

“Court: Chicago Must Hire 111 Black Firefighters”

Does it matter if they are qualified or is being black qualification enough?


10 posted on 05/14/2011 4:54:19 PM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Unless it was proven the selection process was rigged, or was outside of statistical probability.......take it to the SCOTUS. That will stop everything. They might not have had the best system of selection, but if it was random......it was a system nonetheless.

Did the legal argument include the public bearing the tax burden on an honest, however imperfect system?


11 posted on 05/14/2011 5:00:34 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Awesome. What will be the impact on a city of having 111 fire fighters who will absolutely do jack s#$t?


12 posted on 05/14/2011 5:03:41 PM PDT by upstanding
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
Attorney Joshua Karsh also said that 6,000 other blacks who also passed the test will divide “tens of millions of dollars” that would have been paid to 111 firefighters from 1995 until today.

WooHoo, hit the lottery!

13 posted on 05/14/2011 5:08:30 PM PDT by hattend (Obama is better than OJ... He found a killer while on the golf course.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
Chicago, who gives a F.
14 posted on 05/14/2011 5:10:29 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

This is why I never choose minority physicians for my healthcare. Even though there may be some fine minority doctors on the list, there’s a huge chance they’re there via affirmative action. It’s not fair to those who are wonderful, but until the whole a.a. thing is done away with, people will always have questions. Respectable, competent professionals of all races should abhor affirmative action.


15 posted on 05/14/2011 5:12:02 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: OpusatFR

Good Question


16 posted on 05/14/2011 5:16:18 PM PDT by hattend (Obama is better than OJ... He found a killer while on the golf course.)
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To: WaterBoard

The real tail kicker is that in 2001, a labor arbitrator ruled that the city discriminates against whites when it promotes a lower-scoring minority over a white. (Fran Spielman, “City ordered to promote white firefighters”, Chicago Sun-Times, Apr. 14, 2001). In 2002, a federal jury found that the 1986 test was fair, and that the city discriminated by promoting lower-scoring minorities over whites, awarding millions. (AP, May 18, 2002).

Given the recent decision by the 7th Circuit - diametrically opposed to earlier rulings in jury trials, they would appear to put the city in an impossible position. That is other than just being an open checkbook for the flavor of the day. Between the two rulings, the city is on the hook for over $800 million.


17 posted on 05/14/2011 5:23:40 PM PDT by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

I don’t like making calls on little evidence, but from what I’m reading, these people are being chosen for their skin color, not their ability to do the job...and as a current volunteer firefighter, that’s dangerous for the city they’re supposed to protect.

Keep your ears and eyes open. If, in the future, we start hearing about poor firefighting service in Chicago, we’ll know what the cause was.


18 posted on 05/14/2011 5:24:16 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Everything’s about race now. We have become the most racist Country in history. We are obsessed with race! we are approaching insanity.


19 posted on 05/14/2011 5:30:29 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: Cicero

Yeah, this case should be appealed.It will lose in the Supreme Court. There was no racial discrimination. It’s obvious.


20 posted on 05/14/2011 5:33:42 PM PDT by stimulant
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To: Grunthor
There will be plenty of people who took the test, passed it and were not hired who will show up for their share of the loot.

First thing that will happen is someone will notice that most of them seem to be white folks ~ this is, after all, Chicago.

21 posted on 05/14/2011 5:54:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MayflowerMadam
Although I'm not terribly picky I prefer Jewish, Japanese, Chinese or Persian physicians ~ particularly those whose families were "trapped in America" back when the Ayatollahs took over ~ definitely top end people.
22 posted on 05/14/2011 5:57:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

insane

and the taxpayers take another hit


23 posted on 05/14/2011 6:04:57 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: OpusatFR

I wonder what lawsuits will be rendered about the lack of remedial training to bring substandard firefighters up to snuff after some get killed, or caus ethe deaths of their fellow firefighters, for incompetence. Another catch-22 like when the city makes you shovel your walks, then lets people sue you if they slip on them because you modified God’s work...


24 posted on 05/14/2011 6:07:34 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

What about Asians? Where are all the Asian firefighters, huh????

chicago is soooooooooooo effin’ stupid to hire dumb-azzzes


25 posted on 05/14/2011 6:17:25 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (I am keeping the faith, I have not finished my course and I am fighting for the good)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Time to raise premiums on property insurance in Chicago.


26 posted on 05/14/2011 6:18:09 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

“Someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more.” Chewbacca


27 posted on 05/14/2011 6:27:12 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: svcw

No kidding. They sure don’t give a sh1t about it when not hiring all the white guys that pass the test.


28 posted on 05/14/2011 6:40:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

More reparations. That’s all this is.

Pay off the black folks.

They don’t have a case,but they get a pay off.


29 posted on 05/14/2011 6:56:52 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Of course, the dirty underbelly of this ruling... all those firefighters who WERE hired at that time - scored better on the test... but now that isn’t “fair”, so now the city has to hire those who didn’t score as high... AND get 15 years of “credit” in the TAXPAYER-FUNDED pension plan...

Ain’t it nice when judges carry out their political bias (can we say a form of reparations?) using their rather powerful position?


30 posted on 05/14/2011 7:21:15 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman

!!!


31 posted on 05/14/2011 7:32:52 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

absolutely disgusting ruling. there is no merit to this ruling.


32 posted on 05/14/2011 7:41:51 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Years ago, a woman told me.....

“I don’t want any black doctors, and I don’t want any black attorneys.”

By the way, she too, is black.


33 posted on 05/14/2011 7:55:28 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Obama is a bigger threat to the safety of America than Osama)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Well it’ll be interesting to see how this 7th Circuit decision hols up vs the SCOTUS decision in the New Haven (CT) firemen’s case.


34 posted on 05/14/2011 8:01:38 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: TheConservativeCitizen; potlatch; PhilDragoo; devolve

Is this redistribution or reparations?


35 posted on 05/14/2011 10:04:33 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: MarDav

“Can some of those be white guys covered with soot?

Sorry for the off-color humor...”

Why?? The time for political correctness is over. If they are not qualified dump em’!


36 posted on 05/15/2011 3:04:20 PM PDT by Blackhawk45 (The NRA has it wrong - Our CCW permit is the 2nd Amendment!)
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