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Was Bin Laden in Charge and Will his Death Defeat Jihad?
Terror Trends Bulletin ^ | 15 May 2011 | Unattributed

Posted on 05/15/2011 2:27:33 PM PDT by LSUfan

In the wake of the killing of Osama Bin Laden, there is a debate as to the extent that Bin Laden was operationally in charge of Al Qaeda.

It seems apparent that Bin Laden was actively communicating with Al Qaeda elements, but it wasn’t in real time. He used a system of couriers to relay messages via email and the internet, but went to great pains to securely communicate. This means no direct internet connection and no phones, cellular, satellite or landline.

This would preclude any real dialogue with operators and cells.

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TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; binladen; gwot; hamas; hezbollah; homegrownjihad; india; iran; iraq; islam; jihad; jihadintheusa; lashkaretaiba; muslims; obl; osamabinladen; pakistan; taliban; terrorism; wot

1 posted on 05/15/2011 2:27:35 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

No, and no. And it seems these nimrods are running with version 1.00, in which the compound didn’t have huge dish antennas.


2 posted on 05/15/2011 2:33:55 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: LSUfan
There are 2 billion muslims. They have more than their share of radicals. Will they just say oops we lost and give up? OBL was just one small operator. Look at Hamas, Muslem Brotherhood, Fatah, radical clerics....

Why would they stop now? They have tens of thousands of missiles to shoot at Israel and sharp knives to cut our heads off.

3 posted on 05/15/2011 2:37:10 PM PDT by mountainlion (America land of the free because of the Brave.)
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To: LSUfan
Will his Death Defeat Jihad?

An embarrassingly ignorant question. Jihad has been committed for over a thousand years, and will continue to be committed until the last jihadist is terminated. Which isn't anytime soon, from the looks of it.

4 posted on 05/15/2011 2:42:21 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: mountainlion

We don’t win wars anymore. We fight them to manageable standstills because total defeat of an enemy demeans him.


5 posted on 05/15/2011 2:44:44 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: mountainlion

There are 2 billion muslims
No, there are not that many Muslims in the world.

Notwithstanding, nothing has been done about Iran, the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism. And in this year alone, their influence has greatly expanded.
6 posted on 05/15/2011 2:46:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: LSUfan
Was Bin Laden in Charge and Will his Death Defeat Jihad?

Yes and no. The ideology of radical islam has been at war with us since 1785. UBL was just one of many enemies of ours who embraced this ideology. This ideology can only be defeated if all of its followers are killed, reformed, or marginalized, sorta like how we had to deal with the Nazis.

7 posted on 05/15/2011 2:50:58 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: LSUfan

In response to the first question: Get real. In response to the second question: Grow up.


8 posted on 05/15/2011 2:57:07 PM PDT by pallis
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To: LSUfan
OBL was just a CIA asset turned PO'd Muslim. More dangerous than most, but not in control of much either. If he was a top dog, he would have had many guards. Soldiers to keep him safe from us, soldiers to keep him safe from his rivals wanting his power base.

I know my opinion is a distinctly minority opinion, but OBL was a boogeyman, invented to frighten us into the arms of a Tyranny. We will probably never know where all the tentacles go on the attacks on 9/11, and OKC, but they were linked, and our govt knows this.

9 posted on 05/15/2011 3:35:32 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: LSUfan

The worst about this is that this juvenile blog effort is by the Vice Director of the Center for Security Policy in DC. So much for Gaffney and cohorts, I suppose.


10 posted on 05/15/2011 3:36:28 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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11 posted on 05/15/2011 4:06:00 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Hardraade

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12 posted on 05/15/2011 4:16:38 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

And Napoleon communicated with his commanders by courier. So?

Given the U.S. advantage in sigintel, any rational opponent will be able at need to operate using Napoleonic command-and-control structures.


13 posted on 05/15/2011 4:19:10 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

Actually, that is not correct, David.

Napoleon did not communicate via courier in the PLANNING phase. He was limited to communicating by courier in the OPERATIONAL phase.

Being limited to communication by courier in the planning phase inevitably results in a disjointed, cumbersome planning process in which the necessary two-way dialogue is all but impossible.

Clearly these aspects had to be delegated to others. I believe that Bin Laden never actually provided much more than overall direction. I believe the operational details were always left to KSM and his capture crippled Al Qaeda much more than Bin Laden’s death will.


14 posted on 05/15/2011 4:40:09 PM PDT by LSUfan
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To: LSUfan

“Was Bin Laden in Charge and Will his Death Defeat Jihad?”

No.
And no.

The “Jihadi in Charge” actually died 1,400 years ago, but remains “in charge” through his unchangeable screed that is embraced by more than a billion. They are all his “soldiers”, whether they be on active duty or merely “in support” of the cause.

“Mein Kampf” essentially died with its creator.

Islam lives on — and surges — without his physical presence. But his “presence” continues as its spiritual leader through his words and exhortations.

The only way to defeat the jihadis is to destroy that which motivates them.

What motivates them?

If you know the answer, you also know what must be “destroyed”....

Just sayin’....


15 posted on 05/15/2011 6:41:35 PM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: LSUfan; The_Reader_David
Are we *still* on this almost magical level of incompetence proudly displayed by a *director* of the Gaffney Gang, spouting this moronic nonsense of "no contact with the outside world"?

Allow me to educate you (and maybe that "Center", although I'm starting to think they're like inner-city-Obietown cretins)

Spot the dish. Hint: it's BIG, it's round, it's to the right :)).

Geez. Photobucket

16 posted on 05/15/2011 7:04:34 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: Olog-hai

the world’s largest sponsor of terror is Pakistan, not Iran. Second are the Saudis (look at how much they budget to set up madrassas around the world), Iran is third. The real threat are Sunni jihadis not so much Shia’s


17 posted on 05/20/2011 2:29:14 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: runninglips

“Soldiers to keep him safe from us, soldiers to keep him safe from his rivals wanting his power base” — he was protected this way, he was protected by the Pakistani military base plus the thought that the US would not step on Paki territory


18 posted on 05/20/2011 2:30:30 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: LSUfan
Clearly these aspects had to be delegated to others. I believe that Bin Laden never actually provided much more than overall direction. I believe the operational details were always left to KSM and his capture crippled Al Qaeda much more than Bin Laden’s death will.

good analysis

19 posted on 05/20/2011 2:33:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Libspeak: "Yes there is proof. And no, for the sake of privacy I am not posting it here.")
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To: Cronos

the world’s largest sponsor of terror is Pakistan, not Iran. Second are the Saudis (look at how much they budget to set up madrassas around the world), Iran is third. The real threat are Sunni jihadis not so much Shia’s
And your basis is what, exactly?
20 posted on 06/03/2011 2:11:11 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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