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Cave of Forgotten Dreams
World Magazine ^ | Harris

Posted on 05/17/2011 8:45:28 AM PDT by flowerplough

In a film that blends paleontological wonders with existential pondering, Cave of Forgotten Dreams asks the question, "What constitutes humanness?" German director Werner Herzog creeps deep into Chauvet Cave in southern France, where researchers say they have found the earliest known cave paintings. The charcoal paintings etched on the curved walls of the cave—some say from 32,000 B.C., others say 10,000 B.C.—look as though someone scratched them there last week.

A landslide sealed the cave thousands of years ago, creating a perfectly preserved time capsule until explorers discovered it in 1994. Only a few scientists are allowed inside, and Herzog labored under a set of strict rules to preserve the cave's delicate environment. He had to use battery-powered cameras and lights that did not give off heat. The film crew was forbidden to step off a 2-foot-wide walkway and could only stay in the cave for a few hours at a time. Despite the logistical difficulties, the film is a cinematic tour de force. Herzog uses light and shadow to create the illusion of a flickering torch on a cave wall, just as the painters would have seen it long ago. The filming elevates 3D to true artistry, giving shape and depth to the curves and contours of the cave wall. The paintings are more fluid and full of life and movement than medieval paintings thousands of years later.

There's a sense that these ancestors were not the hulking, empty-headed cavemen often portrayed but souls with the urge to communicate and represent the wonders of their world. The paleontologists and archaeologists approach the paintings with awe, dreaming about the lives and hopes of the people who created them. "It is," says narrator Herzog, "as if the modern human soul had awakened here."

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History
KEYWORDS: cave; caveart; chauvet; chauvetpontdarc; france; godsgravesglyphs
French govt's official(?) cave website: http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/arcnat/chauvet/en/
1 posted on 05/17/2011 8:45:29 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: flowerplough
I've enjoyed Hertzog’s work, I will have to see this
2 posted on 05/17/2011 8:50:55 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: NativeSon

Even added a ‘t’ to his name I like that much


3 posted on 05/17/2011 8:52:20 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

Ping


4 posted on 05/17/2011 8:57:12 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: flowerplough

29,000 BC was only a trillion seconds ago.


5 posted on 05/17/2011 8:57:12 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: NativeSon

My good deed for the day, then. And to enjoying Herzog’s work; wish I could remember where I read that the artist’s highest hurdle is “delight”. Artists might confront, or shock, or explore, or inform, but the real artists attempt to share, and delight.


6 posted on 05/17/2011 8:57:42 AM PDT by flowerplough (Thomas Sowell: Those who look only at Obama's deeds tend to become Obama's critics.)
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To: NativeSon

“z” in german is pronounced “ts”, as in “rats”.

OBTW, “Herzog” means “warlord”. It is an actual german office - in war, the Herzog rules.


7 posted on 05/17/2011 8:59:59 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: Jacquerie

Pretty close! 29699 BC was a trillion seconds ago.

We’ve come on a lot in the last trillion seconds - no doubt about it. But alas, much of our art does not delight. Government funding will do that.


8 posted on 05/17/2011 9:18:34 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: flowerplough
It is definitely good to read a thread that doesn't make my blood boil once in a while... Delight, yes, “Encounters at the End of the World” would fit that (IMHO)
9 posted on 05/17/2011 10:14:31 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: patton
the Herzog rules

awesome, did not know that.

Once upon a time I was able hold a decent conversation in what I believe was considered hoch Deutsch. Half my family is German/English

10 posted on 05/17/2011 10:20:46 AM PDT by NativeSon
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To: NativeSon

Yeah, once upon a time I could converse in German, too.

Language - use it or lose it.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 10:25:46 AM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: flowerplough

bump for later


12 posted on 05/17/2011 10:28:26 AM PDT by goldfinch
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To: NativeSon
"It is definitely good to read a thread that doesn't make my blood boil once in a while... Delight, yes, “Encounters at the End of the World” would fit that (IMHO) "

Ancient Encounters is a pretty good book.

13 posted on 05/17/2011 11:32:13 AM PDT by blam
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Thanks patton.

Hey, typing that is kinda neat. "Thanks patton." Great nick.

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14 posted on 05/17/2011 6:32:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for the ping, SC. Wife and I saw the previews for this movie about 3 weeks ago at a theater in Bethesda, MD and it looked fascinating. We will certainly see it...


15 posted on 05/17/2011 7:05:22 PM PDT by Pharmboy (What always made the state a hell has been that man tried to make it heaven-Hoelderlin)
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To: Jacquerie
29,000 BC was only a trillion seconds ago.

If I had a dollar for every one of those seconds, I could pay off 1/14 of the national debt.

One fourteenth hardly seems worth it. I'll just keep the trillion dollars.

16 posted on 05/17/2011 7:42:27 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: SunkenCiv
Chauvet cave images
17 posted on 05/17/2011 7:57:57 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: flowerplough

This is one movie that I truly want to see in 3-D. I heard an interview with Herzog about this - what a challenge to film.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 10:31:06 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: Pride in the USA

Sounds like a film you would enjoy!


19 posted on 05/17/2011 11:43:22 PM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: lonevoice

You are right. I have to see this film.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 5:24:21 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Jacquerie; SunkenCiv; All

After 29 Kya there were three noticeable drops in world temperature. I suspect that one at 22 Kya was caused by the eruption of Sakura-Jima which left a 15 mile diameter caldera now known as Sakura-Jima Bay with a small volcano of that name at one side. Does anyone know of 2 major volcanoes between 29 and 22 Kya to explain the other two drops?


21 posted on 05/18/2011 6:28:52 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: flowerplough; SunkenCiv

Am I crazy or can you see the birth of pointillism in some of these images.

Could have been an attempt to save paint on large images, but it worked.

Surprising that there are so few human images. You’d think the artitsts would have wanted to memorialize themselves as well as the animals around them.


22 posted on 05/20/2011 6:14:43 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: wendy1946

Thanks, they’re beautiful.


23 posted on 05/20/2011 5:56:05 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv; patton
There's a sense that these ancestors were not the hulking, empty-headed cavemen often portrayed but souls with the urge to communicate and represent the wonders of their world


24 posted on 05/20/2011 6:02:38 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: wildbill

Wait, we have to pick just one?!? ;’)

There was an impact on what passed for modern art when stuff like this was discovered. Pick-asso was influenced by folk art (basically, garage sale crap from countries which don’t yet have garages today), and earlier on paintings in the 18th and 19th centuries were influenced by the art found in Pompeii etc.

During the late middle ages/early renaissance the Papacy moved back to Rome, and all kinds of classical masterpieces (and some real junk as well) was excavated as new foundations were dug and the like. Michelangelo was profoundly influenced by the discovery of this Roman Empire masterpiece:

http://www.google.com/images?q=laocoon%20group&spell=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=image_result_group

I seem to remember an allegation that the Laocoon group was sculpted by Michelangelo, and attributed to ancient Romans. I can’t imagine any way for that allegation to be the least bit credible.

Ah, here it is:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1386416/posts


25 posted on 05/20/2011 7:25:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: wendy1946

Thanks wendy.


26 posted on 05/20/2011 7:28:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: colorado tanker

Nah, my hair turned grey years ago.


27 posted on 05/21/2011 9:11:54 PM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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