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Are the Attacks on Herman Cain Actually Helping Him?
Muny Dews Blog ^ | 5-19-11 | Muny Dews

Posted on 05/19/2011 2:26:03 PM PDT by Brookhaven

Anyone can see that there is a concerted effort by Ron Paul supporters to attack Herman Cain. The reason is obvious: Herman Cain's performance in the South Carolina debate sucked the oxygen out of the Ron Paul campaign. Paul--a fringe candidate at best--was depending heavily on making a show in the SC debate to drum up early enthusiasm (and donations) for his 2012 run.

But an unexpected thing happened in the debate. Herman Cain not only won the debate, he dominated it. Ron Paul was reduced to making the most outrageous statments he could think of in an attempt to garner any attention what so ever (calling for the legalization of not just marijuana, but heroin). Ron Paul came away from the SC debate empty handed, and if things don't change that's how Paul will come away from future debates as well. As of now, it looks like the 2012 Ron Paul campaign is (like Newt Gingrich's) DOA.

Any YouTube, news story comment section, or internet forum making any mention of Herman Cain was suddenly flooded with anti-Cain posts. This was no accident. Just spend a little time on any Ron Paul forum and you'll see they're talking about two things: (1) how to support Ron Paul, and (2) how to destroy Herman Cain.

The plan seems to be to highlight Herman Cain's time with the Federal Reserve Bank; portraying it as an evil institution bent on taking over the world along with its Illuminati masters (and no, I'm not being sarcastic; I've seen a number of these posts mention both the Federal Reserve and the Illuminati).

Now for the typical Ron Paul supporter (as well as the fans of George Noory's "Coast to Coast" radio show) this is a powerful argument. But to non-Paul supporters (the 99.8657% of Americans who don't know the correct procedure for folding a tin-foil hat), it doesn't come across as negative at all. In fact, it comes across as a huge positive for Herman Cain.

Without the (unintended) help of Ron Paul's supporters, Herman Cain would still be fighting the stereotype that he's just a "pizza man." But now, he's know across the internet as an expert on the Federal Reserve System, the nation's money supply, macro-economics, and national/international finance. Given that the biggest challenges facing the next president will be financial, this kind of knowlege and experience will be a huge plus for any candidate--again, at lest in the minds most voters (the 99.8657% of voters that are not Ron Paul supporters).

Are the attacks on Herman Cain by Ron Paul supporters actually helping Cain? Yes they are, because they have exposed something about Herman Cain to the public that most people didn't know about--that he has an impressive background at the highest level of fianance.


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: cain; hermancain; ronpaul
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1 posted on 05/19/2011 2:26:07 PM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: Brookhaven

I like Herman Cain. I might even drive down to Atlanta on Saturday for his presidential kickoff.


2 posted on 05/19/2011 2:27:23 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: Yet_Again

I’ll have no problems voting for him.


3 posted on 05/19/2011 2:28:25 PM PDT by Westbrook (Having children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: Brookhaven

Yikes, I bet the Paulistinians weren’t expecting that.


4 posted on 05/19/2011 2:28:56 PM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Westbrook

Herman Cain Announcement Rally - May 21st 2011285 International Blvd NW
Marietta St
Atlanta, GA 30313
(678) 601-2772
12 Noon

https://foursquare.com/venue/22152705


5 posted on 05/19/2011 2:31:35 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Grunthor
Yikes, I bet the Paulistinians weren’t expecting that.

I'm sure they weren't, but in the typical Paulinista mindset, the Federal Reserve is right up there Al Queda (actually they probably think the Federal Reserve is worse).

But the typical voter? C'mon, the Fed is part of the nations's financial system. Not a secret plot.

6 posted on 05/19/2011 2:32:39 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I’d rather have a businessman who needs political advice than a politician who needs business advic)
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To: Brookhaven

L.Ron Paul. His followers are just like the other L. Ron people!


7 posted on 05/19/2011 2:34:12 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Brookhaven; taraytarah; DarthVader

8 posted on 05/19/2011 2:34:38 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Westbrook
I’ll have no problems voting for him.

This cracker is down to two candidates. Palin and Cain. If Palin doesn't get her magnificent fanny into this race soon, I'm going for Cain...

9 posted on 05/19/2011 2:34:43 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Grunthor

They are Paulintoligests! Same tactics!


10 posted on 05/19/2011 2:36:28 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: April Lexington

I know several people who seem to be emotionally invested in a Palin run. If she announced that she was not only NOT running but backing Cain?

Talk about upsetting the establishments’ apple cart!


11 posted on 05/19/2011 2:36:54 PM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: Kartographer
Herman Cain Announcement Rally - May 21st 2011285 International Blvd NW

Wait. What's wrong with this picture? The guy with the bus said the world was going to end on the 21st!

12 posted on 05/19/2011 2:38:12 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Brookhaven

I came on this thread to say I had not really seen any attacks on Herman Cain. However since the piece is also about Ron Paul and his Wing Nut followers I’ll happily say that my memory is coming back...

yes...
yes...
There have been FAR too many vicious attacks on Mr. Cain by Ron Paul!


13 posted on 05/19/2011 2:38:28 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: April Lexington

It will be the start of the end of the world for ‘Bammy’!

WEATHER ALERT! Batten down the hatches boys! There be a Hermancain’ a com’n!


14 posted on 05/19/2011 2:42:15 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Brookhaven

What did you expect?

Ron Paul is a racist bigot and all of his followers are flakes and cuckoos.

ESPECIALLY the ones here that infest FR like bedbugs in a cheap motel.


15 posted on 05/19/2011 2:46:08 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (One of these days, Alice....one of these days.....POW!! Right in the kisser!!!!)
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To: Kartographer
No doubt! First, Cain is a real African AMERICAN who shares the American Experience, warts and all, with the rest of us. Second, Cain is light years smarter than Obama. The IQ gap is astounding. Cain will make an excellent president and will fix our country. Should Palin not run, I'm for Cain. Period.
16 posted on 05/19/2011 2:47:41 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

Herman Cain is the only candidate who is willing to fight and attack the WH interloper. This is a Herman Cain thread — for those who support Gov Palin (who has not seen fit to enter the fray)maybe should start a separate thread devoted to her. To my mind she is much TOO divisive to run for POTUS - VP OK.


17 posted on 05/19/2011 3:00:16 PM PDT by famousdayandyear (On the 18th of April 75 hardly a man is now alive who remembers)
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To: Brookhaven
Sometimes bad press is better than no press. Especially since this gentleman seems very capable of handling such difficulties with grace.

Mr. Cain is what Obama should have been. In their haste to be seen as progressive, the Democrats picked the absolutely worst candidate in history.

I'm not holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. A vote for whatever RINO candidate is fielded is not a vote for Obama, as many will say. It is a vote of great importance, a vote stating that we refuse to play the game anymore. I'm tired of leaving the polling place feeling like I need a three day shower. Enough is enough.

18 posted on 05/19/2011 3:00:55 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: All
My apologies. It should have been voting booth, not polling place.
19 posted on 05/19/2011 3:06:37 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Sometimes bad press is better than no press.

I'm not sure it is bad press (except in the minds of Paul supporters).

Chariman of a Federal Reserve Branch
Understands finance
Understands the banking system
Understand the monetary supply
Understands economics

Compare that to Obama's Treasury secretary who couldn't figure out how to use Turbo Tax to file his own taxes--and HE'S the one advising Obama on financial decisions.

We're in financial trouble; a guy like Cain--who actually understands finances--looks pretty good right now.

20 posted on 05/19/2011 3:09:20 PM PDT by Brookhaven (I’d rather have a businessman who needs political advice than a politician who needs business advic)
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To: Brookhaven

Herman Cain could be the one. He might just be the next Ronald Reagan.


21 posted on 05/19/2011 3:10:07 PM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Brookhaven
THE DYNAMIC DUO.....:
22 posted on 05/19/2011 3:25:54 PM PDT by flat
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To: Brookhaven
I'm not sure it is bad press (except in the minds of Paul supporters).

Not at the moment perhaps. As he gains more recognition, you can bet that the Liberal character assassination squad will go into overdrive.

What really got my attention was a comment he made "It's okay. I'm not hyphenated". Which told me that he understands that he is an American before anything else. He also underscored the idea that he wants to win due to the merit of his ideas. I have no doubt that he was proud to be an American well before Michelle Obama.

You have presented a list of real qualifications; the more I hear about him, the more I like him.

23 posted on 05/19/2011 3:28:11 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: April Lexington; kingattax
If Palin doesn't get her magnificent fanny into this race soon, I'm going for Cain...

Magnificent fanny??? Weird.

Forget her fanny. Consider the qualifications and success and national appeal of Cain. This man has the ability to lead and unite...first in the primaries, then the election, finally as President and Commander in Chief!

Executive Experience waiting to turn things around! God as his Counselor desiring to save this country and her relationship with Israel !!

24 posted on 05/19/2011 3:30:16 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: Brookhaven

No doubt the Fed attack has backfired - but I have a theory on the real reason for that attacks, besides the mindless obsession with the Fed. Cain, who they always thought would finish behind their man, was moving on up (to the East Side?). They were doing all they could to drag him down so they wouldn’t finish last.

I think they’ve given up now.


25 posted on 05/19/2011 3:31:23 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: Brookhaven

Not to worry Ron Pwaul will finish at the bottom of this race as expected.


26 posted on 05/19/2011 3:35:17 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: Brookhaven

Ron Paul is only hurting himself, much as Flukie Newt did so fatally. Ron Paul is no gentleman, thus absolutely not presidential material!


27 posted on 05/19/2011 3:38:11 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( On the cutting edge)
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To: Kartographer

The Herman Cain rally will be at Centennial Olympic Park right across the street from CNN headquarters.

CNN employees can either look out the windows or cross the street to see the rally, but probably they’ll just ignore the announcement.


28 posted on 05/19/2011 3:45:15 PM PDT by Atlantan
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To: taraytarah

amen !


29 posted on 05/19/2011 3:50:49 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: Wildbill22; taraytarah
Herman Cain could be the one. He might just be the next Ronald Reagan.

Mr.Cain has already revealed that he has a very important thing in common with President Reagan - a clear vision of how unique and incredible America truly is.

30 posted on 05/19/2011 3:57:18 PM PDT by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: April Lexington
No doubt! First, Cain is a real African AMERICAN....

Waiting for the first Democrat to say 'inauthentic': that's when we'll know he's got their attention.

31 posted on 05/19/2011 4:07:04 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Brookhaven

Herman Cain forever. LRon Paul never.


32 posted on 05/19/2011 4:13:07 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Brookhaven

Where are these attacks by Ron Paul supporters on Herman Cain? This is not the first time I’ve heard it, so I’m not saying there isn’t anything there, but I’d like a link to a FR thread where Ron Paul supporters are attacking Herman Cain.

I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but as likely a scenario is someone trying to get Conservatives mad at each each. Someone else wants the Conservatives at each others throats.

I happen to be a Ron Paul supporter. I also like Palin, Bachmann and Cain. Most of the rest are RINOs.


33 posted on 05/19/2011 4:33:05 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: DarthVader

Ron Paul will do well. There are guys running who will do worse.

Ron Paul, last time, did better than a lot of guys who ran last year. Did better than Hunter, Thompson, Tancredo, Giuliani, Thompson, Brownback, Gilmore. Didn’t do as well as McCain, Romney, Huckabee. And these results came when he started as an unknown. This time around, he’s in 4th place, like he was last time, with Palin, Romney, Gingrich ahead. That’s the current poll numbers, roughly.

Cain will likely be moving up in the polls based on the reaction to his debate performance. They say Gingrich hurt himself, so you could see him falling in the polls. Bachmann is moving up a bit too.


34 posted on 05/19/2011 4:38:59 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Brookhaven
WTF are you talking about?

Tim Geither was chairman of the NY Fed. Sooo... it was bad for Geither but good for Cain?

Doesn't make much sense.
35 posted on 05/19/2011 4:44:00 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Brookhaven

You should see all the nasty stuff the Paultards say about Cain on their websites. They really do think he is a major threat because he is leveraging the internet like they thought they had cornered the market in.


36 posted on 05/19/2011 4:44:53 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Brookhaven

The Paultards don’t know the difference between the Federal Reserve chairman and what the regional Federal Reserve (which Cain was a CEO of) do. The latter has absolutely nothing to do with monetary policy or ‘printing’- it helps banks ensure checks clear and works with transferring money between banks. They just see Fed and piss in their pants. (Notice they never call for an audit of the Treasury Department- where the real power lays?- the Fed is an easier bogeyman).


37 posted on 05/19/2011 4:47:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Brookhaven

The fact that Cain was the Chairman of the Kansas City Fed is certainly a very noteworthy part of Cain’s resume. Ron Paul’s people definitely don’t like that resume bullet. A lot of people don’t. But, definitely, there are some that do. Establishment Republicans would most certainly look at that as a prime Establishment position, that “dumb people” - as Liberals see Palin - simply do not get.

If you’re talking to someone who is not a Conservative, but is a liberal, Northeastern, country club, business Republicans, and you want to sell Cain, you want to put “Chair of the Kansas City Fed” right up front. The Fed is elite. You don’t have to be elite to run a pizza shop. But if the Fed trusts you, you have the elite stamp of approval.
And a lot of elitist, Mike Castle type Republicans do love those elite credentials. Cain had more “elite” vetting than Obamas resume seems to indicate.

Cain really can’t mention this Fed Cred to Conservatives as many are distrustful of the Fed.


38 posted on 05/19/2011 4:47:47 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: mnehring
Why exactly are you a "Paultard" if you are not for Herman Cain?

The TEA party started because of TARP & the bailouts.

Why would I vote for somebody who supports those things?
39 posted on 05/19/2011 4:47:56 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Why exactly are you a "Paultard" if you are not for Herman Cain?

I never said you were if you weren't, I was addressing the specific article. Also, regarding the TARP bailouts, Cain was an outspoken critic of them when they happened. There is major internet spin about one commentary he made about one small aspect of what became TARP that is making him look like he supported them. He was a very vocal critic on his radio show of TARP.

40 posted on 05/19/2011 5:02:19 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
All it takes is one article in support of TARP for me not to support a candidate.

America is a capitalist country. We should not pick winners and losers based on who is closest to the government.
41 posted on 05/19/2011 5:05:41 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Minus_The_Bear

What’s funny, the one article everyone references does not mention TARP at all, it mentions is temporary minimal emergency loans and it was said at a time when our side was debating the issue and people were discussing all potential ways to work it, especially when it was a thought it was an external finanical attack.

...what is funnier is your second sentence is an almost word for word quote of what Cain said about TARP.

...what is even funnier is I noticed you have been corrected on this over and over and over here and you keep repeating the same thing...


42 posted on 05/19/2011 5:13:42 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Brookhaven.
Anyone can see that there is a concerted effort by Ron Paul supporters to attack Herman Cain. The reason is obvious: Herman Cain's performance in the South Carolina debate sucked the oxygen out of the Ron Paul campaign... Herman Cain not only won the debate, he dominated it. Ron Paul was reduced to making the most outrageous statments he could think of in an attempt to garner any attention what so ever (calling for the legalization of not just marijuana, but heroin)... Without the (unintended) help of Ron Paul's supporters, Herman Cain... [is now known] across the internet as an expert on the Federal Reserve System, the nation's money supply, macro-economics, and national/international finance. Given that the biggest challenges facing the next president will be financial,... Are the attacks on Herman Cain by Ron Paul supporters actually helping Cain? Yes they are...

43 posted on 05/19/2011 5:37:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: mnehring
Actually the article does... Herman Cain says how it would be wonderful for citizens to hold preferred stock of the banks. He also tells "free market purists" to "hush."

Now, he can play John Kerry & say "I was for it before I was against it."

Or he can lie and say he never wrote it and he doesn't even know what TARP is.

Neither are going to work.
44 posted on 05/19/2011 5:41:19 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: truthfreedom

Ron Paul has no chance whatsoever. He will pull no more than 2-4% of the vote and that’s it.


45 posted on 05/19/2011 6:31:42 PM PDT by DarthVader (That which supports Barack Hussein Obama must be sterilized and there are NO exceptions!)
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To: SunkenCiv; kingattax
Herman Cain's performance in the South Carolina debate sucked the oxygen out of the Ron Paul campaign... Herman Cain not only won the debate, he dominated it.

Not only does Mr. Cain offer direct and thorough answers, but also a very commanding presence.

Herman's Answers Only Video

46 posted on 05/19/2011 7:06:48 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: taraytarah

Thanks!


47 posted on 05/19/2011 7:23:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: taraytarah
Magnificent fanny??? Weird.

Hey! Give me a break! I had to get it past the moderators!

48 posted on 05/19/2011 7:49:31 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: SunkenCiv

You’re welcome! His responses reveal an incredibly savvy candidate whose comprehension of practical solutions extends far beyond financial parameters.


49 posted on 05/19/2011 7:52:49 PM PDT by taraytarah
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To: April Lexington; kingattax
I had to get it past the moderators!

Point being: 'Palin getting her "magnificent fanny" into this race soon' is a weird comment when referring to one's choice in a candidate.

Sarah Palin in Helen Thomas' body would never work.

50 posted on 05/19/2011 8:30:10 PM PDT by taraytarah
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