Skip to comments.The beatings will continue (birthers)
Posted on 05/20/2011 11:05:31 AM PDT by STE=Q
Obama finally produced a long-form birth certificate, and as predicted, the media is using a rolled-up copy "to further beat the sizeable percentage of the population with [eligibility] doubts into either embarrassed or apologetic submission." The most popular birther-bashing method: charges of "racism."
(Excerpt) Read more at renewamerica.com ...
“Obama finally produced a long-form birth certificate...”
Slight correction: Obama finally produced a pdf multi-layered faked long form which has so many changed layers and errors that it takes over a page to list them. And, he sent a “lawyer” to Hawaii to pick up a pdf digital copy. Hmmmmm, how dumb does anyone have to be to believe it?
Couric dumb, Rather dumb, anyone in CNN or MSNBC dumb, that’s how dumb.
Did anyone really expect Obama to produce a legitimate BC? The left doesn’t care, and establishment Republicans aren’t going to stick their necks out on this one. In the world of modern politics, truth is relative, and Barry’s BC looks like it might have been thrown together by a drunk relative. But, no matter how bad it is, a lot of people are trying really hard to pretend it is real. I bet a lot of them are wishing Barry would have given them something better to work with.
No, he sent a lawyer to Hawaii to collect the paper copy produced by the State of Hawaii and then scanned that paper copy to produce the pdf to post on the White House website.
Here's another quote from the article. "Conservatives such as Breitbart want to bury birtherism so we can focus on "winning issues." Mark Steyn doesn't want to see Obama fail because of "rinky-dink technicalities" of eligibility, but rather, the failure of his ideology. Mark Levin worked to insure that the technicality of lying under oath earned Bill Clinton an impeachment, but now Levin, an expert on the Constitution, loudly refuses to address questions of presidential eligibility. Ann Coulter, who objects to the "birthright citizenship" practice, avoided all discussion on the very related issue of natural born citizenship and slammed half her party. Glenn Beck, who challenged viewers to "question with boldness" and ask, "does[the Constitution] matter," never acknowledged "birther" questions and instead insulted those who did."
Are you so stupid you believe that? There are expert witnesses who give video and photographic proof AND detailed analysis of why it is FAKE MANUFACTURED document. Did you look at any of this proof? It is all 100% on the money.
I write software for a living and have extensive experience in digital imaging, and they are factually correct.
It is a FAKE, FRAUF, MANUFACTURED file.
There IS NO DOCUMENT to be scanned by his attorneys or anyone. There is no physical document that was scanned to make this image.
If you don't like the 'birther issue' then go find one that you do like. We are tying to prove the Muslim Kenyan is a fraud.
OK if you disagree this is not an issue that YOU LIKE to pursue... then which issue DO YOU LIKE?
GO PURSUE IT instead of arguing with people on your side, amd wasting our time, if you are not willing to look at factual evidence that would be able to withstand cross-examination in court.
Do you want him to stay in office?
what are YOU doing to get him out? This happens to be what I do for a living- so I know it is a fraud. I have enough experience to qualify as a courtroom expert witness and i am telling you THIS IS FAKE
"There are none so blind as those who will not see"
The 1-2 million dollars is being spent to keep ???? from seeing the light of day?
I don’t get it.
On the other hand, Zero does enjoy spending other people’s money, and Soros has plenty where that came from.
It must be nice to have so much money that playing little games with a few million doesn’t cause you to break a sweat.
Those who got fixated on the idiotic quest of “Where is the Birth Certificate?” need to EAT CROW AND LIKE IT!
The following is a possibility: Perhaps they took his real BC copied and altered it with multiple layers to make a real document look fake. This would divert our attention from his dismal record as a president. Then, just before the election produce the original paper copy that show he was born in Hawaii.
Because he is perfectly confident he can show his lawyer or himself directly picking up a COLB from Hawaii DOH anytime it is worth his effort to do so.
Trump made it worth his effort to pick up the “long form”.
Birthers running around trying to get our candidates or commentators to sign on that it is a fake will make it worth his while to film the actual “pick up”.
He hasn't had to spend dime one of his own money.
Getting the amateurish birther lawsuits (can you say “Orly Taitz”?) dismissed has not been a huge expenditure of time or legal effort.
Asking why he didn't release it earlier is like asking why Hannibal didn't spring his ambush on the Romans.... until after they marched into it.
Corsi said in one of his radio interviews that Obama was restricted to using the skills of the loyal people around him, and that’s why the fake LFBC was so poorly done. It’s not like he could shop around for a real expert.
Those who got fixated on the idiotic quest of Where is the Birth Certificate? need to EAT CROW AND LIKE IT!
Your deragatory comment does not exhibit the thoughts of a person looking for the truth, but rather one wanting to be right and a feeble attempt to act superior to those whose opinions differ from your opinions. Do you scream at the referees when you don’t like their call and you see it differently? I suggest you try being a good sport, the game is not over yet, you may end up being the one eating whats left of the crow after you tried shoving it down peoples throats prematurely.
It is long overdue.
I was right that this was a mistake and that making “Where is the Birth Certificate?” your “Trump” card was a sure way to get destroyed. I was also right that any long form produced would only change the focus of the argument from “Where is it?” to that it was a fraud - or that he couldn't possibly be a NBC (”even if born in the Lincoln Bedroom”) because of his non-citizen father.
Sorry I was right.
Sorry that this issue was such an unmitigated disaster.
What I am NOT sorry about is taking to the woodshed those idiots who wanted all our commentators and candidates to sign on to the issue - or they were idiots and/or traitors with no respect for the Constitution.
Sarah Palin was right. The issue was, is, and always will be “a distraction”.
The layers in the PDF are perfectly explainable.
Unless you are emotionally committed to believing that Obama was not born in Hawaii.
The idea that he spent millions of dollars is based upon some shoddy research to begin with, but has become an article of faith among many a birther.
I love it when you Obots make a public fool of yourself.
Are the pixels placement perfectly explainable also, Obot?
I await your rebuttle.
The various genealogies suggest this guy has relates going back to the very foundations of America ~ same's me, and the same folks.
There's not a black person in America who will claim him as a relative except for his aunt who is regularly incarcerated by ICE.
You have no indication.
And he certainly didn't spend millions of his OWN money.
This feeds the delusional question of “Why didn't he release it BEFORE?” usually with accompanying histrionics.
Gee, why did Hannibal wait until the Romans had marched into position before he unleashed his ambush?
I guess SOME will NEVER figure it out.
And it seems that here at least, birthers are no longer allowed to rely upon the argument that anybody who said this was “a distraction” is an “Obot”.
I know that is the typical reaction of your typical birther to being corrected - but it really isn't logical, and increasingly idiotic - and now verboten.
The only “public fools” remaining, are the Birthers who keep repeating the same pointless, insane behavior by demanding the issue be reopened.
The facts are, the issue is dead. It cannot be resurrected and it will not go any further.
The theory that all of this was faked or real is no longer an issue. The only alternative left is to defeat Obama at the ballot box.
To keep on screaming this stupidity only gives Obama a greater advantage and makes the Birthers look like morons. The louder they scream it, the more they continue to pursue it, the more moronic they make themselves look. (The “Obot” label you stick on others, proves my point.)
So sorry to hear about your decision that the Constitution and Obama’s eligibility is a distraction. A distraction from what?
I once knew a person who was unable to walk and chew gum at the same time apparently that feat was too distracting for him, he had a narrow one track mind. He also could not drive a car and listen to talk radio at the same time, it was too distracting for him. He exhibited his lack of ability to multitask in all aspects of his life. He was a liberal who wanted the government to take care of him and he never questioned authority. He seemed happy with his limited abilities and didn't even realize his handicap. I guess ignorance is bliss. He was succesful in his own mind but others saw him as a tranquil slave to authority who would have fit right in in the movie Idiocracy. He would have been a fine lemming for the Nazis or current Commies. Most Freepers are not so limited, but it appears some are.
I’m so sick and tired of those on this forum who state this fraud and deception is a non-starter and “instead we should focus on the “issues”.
Well, following the Constitution as the Founding Fathers intended is a huge issue to me. Moreso than jobs, $4.00/gallon gas, or drilling for oil.
Hard to mount a cohesive offensive when a quarter of your ‘troops’ are practicing walking and chewing gum at the same time.
And it isn't so much that you are “walking and chewing gum at the same time” as the fact that what you are walking towards is an ambush laying in wait for you - chewing your gum like a cow chewing its cud - and just as obliviously.
Palin said it was “a distraction”. She was correct.
Now eat crow and like it.
Soros money at work, thanks dreamer.
It was that they insisted that anybody who didn't join them in chawing down on a big stick of gum and going for a walk into birtherland was an enemy of the Constitution and to be disparaged, called a traitor, their allegiance questioned, called an “Obot”, etc.
Clearly the birthers had a lot more on their mind than just going on their merry way chewing gum and tripping all over themselves. They wanted us down in the dirt and mud with them and Orly Taitz and Trump and all the other filthy little piggies.
Yes Soros money at work - it is the ONLY explanation.
THEY (Steyn, Levin, Coulter, Beck, Palin, et. al.) were right. BIRTHERS were wrong.
Those who got fixated on the idiotic quest of Where is the Birth Certificate? need to EAT CROW AND LIKE IT!
I could care less if he was born in the middle of Times Square.
The issue is as follows:
Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was born a British subject of the Crown when Kenya belonged to Great Britain. To be a natural born citizen and meet constitutional requirements BOTH parents must be US citizens.
The usurper is NOT a natural born citizen.
A rebuttal would be pointless. You are emotionally committed to a conspiracy theory (your labeling of anyone who disagrees with you as an Obot is only the most obvious sign) and no reasoning or evidence would convince you.
Everyone is overlooking the fact (obvious, methinks) that the original was photographed onto microfiche, then that was scanned with one of the early document automation systems, then of late retrieved, reassembled, and dumped to PDF file.
Storage was at a serious premium back then, so radical steps were taken to minimize file size, including automated breakdown of the file into oddly-arranged components of varying bit depth.
The more I look into this the more glaringly obvious it’s real. Everything people are screaming “proof of forgery!” about is in fact proof of mundane low-tech processing from original to birther. I bring these up, and people just scream “you’re wrong! I’m an expert! you’re wrong!” without any explanation or evidence.
Oh well. Judgement Day starts in a few hours ... no, wait, it’s 8:01 May 21 in New Zealand right now - anyone hear the reports about earthquakes, people disappearing, and general end-of-the-worldishness? Guess I’d better pack my bag.
I will accept your inability to defend your spurious charges as an admission of defeat.
Now go back down to mom’s basement and play with yourself.
Methinks you doth protest too much....you are not convincing anyone here, keep trying maybe you will convince yourself.
I’m surprised THAT is not the point being rallied around.
If it’s not a forgery, BHO admitted he’s not a US citizen.
And it continues! Yes, anybody who insists this was foolish and that fools should check themselves and mayhap be less the fool next time is OBVIOUSLY working for Soros!
Now EAT CROW and LIKE IT?
Liking it is, of course, perfectly optional.
But don't you see how nice I am?
I want you to enjoy the experience.
Hopefully LEARN from it.
The beatings WILL continue.
Yes, if 0bama didn't do the “layers” on purpose -via NOT turning off the default settings- he certainly should have. It couldn't have worked out better for him.
I think this is the first time I have seen anyone mention that it was converted to microfiche, it is certainly more obvious from the “negative” look of the Nordyke twins certificates that they went through the microfiche process.
The curvature on the left obviously dates from that time. The original paper forms were probably bound as a book and later scanned to create the microfilm copies (and these possibly later were digitized). After that it has gone through at least one digital conversion before Hawaii printed it. Then the White House scans the printout to create the digital image for the web.
So we are at least three conversion steps away from the original paper form.
But I know what it means, genius!
And that guy is a coward, unable to defend his position.
You want some?
It must be weekend passes for everyone at the asylum.
Yes. The text is plainly curved as an original would be. Maybe you just need a trained/experienced eye; I think it’s obvious. I don’t see how he thinks it’s “straight” except that being curved would conflict with his devotion to finding boogeymen where they don’t exist. Every pixel makes sense unless you don’t understand what’s going on, at which point screaming “FAKE!” just belies ignorance.
“You want some?”
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Can’t make a sane argument, so you’re threatening violence? Oh, you funny.
And yes, the text is curved, and the characters skewed accordingly with page bending, the variations consistent with normal typewriter inaccuracies (have you ever used one? do you realize how sloppy those things are?), and I can in fact spell “rebuttal”.
You are correct. The official story is Obama’s legal counsel retrieved two certified copies, allegedly photocopied from the actual archived document.
Even if that all is true, from there things get bewildering.
Primarily, WTF happened to the version published on the WH site for public consumption.
Yeah, odd crap happens sometimes when prepping PDFs. But we have here amounts to the Magic Bullet squared.
I dont know if the latest installment of a birth certificate from the Obama administration, is legit, or not, as I am not an expert on these things, and know close to nothing about Photo-Shop .
What I do NOW understand is what EVERY con artist, worth his salt, knows either intellectually, or intuitively, about the mind of the average decent person they will believe The Big Lie before they will believe the small one:
All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true within itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X
But unfortunately if the matter were so clear it should have been brought up before the election. Looking back, it's astonishing that more was not said, at least by people like Mark Levin.
I have strong doubts, to say the least, about Obama’s biography - his place of birth and/or the identity of his father, especially.
And the media outlets have been slavish in their bias - even Kim Jong-Il must be envious of such a compliant press!
But we have a document presented by the White House as a state record, and the state is not making any statements that it is a fraud.
And it's possible that whatever happened in 1961 was covered up or changed at the time, so that the birth records would indeed be in order.
I respect people who want to investigate further - again, if this were Bush and a parking ticket from when he was 17 the media would have been all over this.
Absent some dramatic development I do not believe this issue will result in any further disclosures. I would love to be wrong.
I am not focusing my energies in this area, but I appreciate the people who do. I am working to educate people about the policies at stake in the next election. I believe in each case, people are doing the right thing to get America back on track. I hate top see such vicious fighting going on here, because others can read it.
Just my opinion, which no one asked for. Thanks for any responses or flames in advance. :)
The following video lays it all out very nicely:
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i am not a techie... i don’t understand adobe, or layers,
so i make no claims there, either way.
but, i do have several things i am honestly curious about.
the photocopy curve mentioned above, is legitimate and expected. but, why do some words seem to curve less than others?
how can signatures be in different resolutions on the same document, unless one of them was pasted on? ml/nj has it here:
and boxes that are identical down to the pixel? :
why do other documents show the security paper background as they are supposed to, but this one LFBC doesn’t?
why does Hawaii list a birth for Virginia Sunahara in their index, and then claim they have no record of her?
...but all that, is still secondary to my biggest question:
WHY does he have a Connecticut SSN ?
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