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Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?
one man's opinion...

Posted on 05/24/2011 4:07:08 PM PDT by ken5050

As we enter the GOP primary season, I'm starting to notice more and more an annoying trend here in FR. It seems as though everytime there's an article, or someone posts a comment about Romney, either pro or con, it nearly always devolves into an extended, and acrimonious discussion about the Mormon faith. Those who defend it, and those who, for whatever reasons, can't abide it, both sides seem determined to wage an "end of times" batte on all the FR threads. Frankly, I'm tired of it, and just wish it would stop. I think that probably 99% of others here feel the same way.


TOPICS: Politics; Religion
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It seems that it's the SAME people, over and over again, posting the SAME comments, the SAME pictures, the SAME talking points, the SAME links, the Same scripture..ad nauseum.

Can we declare a truce?

It's ruining FR, and I expect it's only going to get worse. Most here tend to ignore it, and just leave the thread, so you can argue sillyamongst yourselves. However, that means that often a serious. meaningful article is totally ignored and overlooked.

These secterian comments do NOT belong on the political discussion threads, else FR will soon resemble Ireland a decade ago, where politics AND religion were cojoined.

So what to do? As I mentioned, most here just ignore those comments, and/or leave the thread. I think we should be more proactive, and start hitting the ABUSE button, because the pattern and practice of doing the same thing over and over is abusing the privilege of posting on FR.

The mods will soon become aware of who's causing all these problems, and maybe it will be necessary for a few extended "time outs" for some.

1 posted on 05/24/2011 4:07:11 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Admin Moderator

If you think my comments are uncalled for or unfair, please explain why, or pull the thread. I just think it’s time to stop this before it gets much worse.


2 posted on 05/24/2011 4:08:14 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: ken5050

What if an athiest was running?
Or a muslim?
Or a scientologist?


3 posted on 05/24/2011 4:09:52 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: ken5050

I agree, let folks fight it out in the Religion Forum under the very watchful eye of the Religion Mod.

The acrimony on this topic is one of the less attractive things about FR.


4 posted on 05/24/2011 4:10:34 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ken5050

I gotta agree. I get pretty tired of it being inserted into conversations that have nothing to do with religion.


5 posted on 05/24/2011 4:10:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ken5050

I agree with you, however you’re pissing into the wind.


6 posted on 05/24/2011 4:11:11 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: mewykwistmas

Re #3:

When that happens and they’re a major candidate we can cross that bridge.


7 posted on 05/24/2011 4:12:20 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: ken5050

Being neither for or against the Mormon faith I have to say that the people who discuss the pros and cons of it on FR have a perfect right to do so. Personally, I do not read Romney threads as I can’t stand the guy and would never vote for him, hence no interest in the threads.


8 posted on 05/24/2011 4:12:34 PM PDT by calex59
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To: ken5050

Is this another thread defending Romney’s magic underwear?

Because I’m really tired of hearing about Romney’s magic underwear.

I think it’s dirty politics to discuss Romney’s magic underwear
and doing so serves only to dirty the topic of Romney’s magic underwear.

No more dirty magic underwear!


9 posted on 05/24/2011 4:13:22 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: ken5050

Thanks Ken! I’m Lutheran, but I agree with your comments.


10 posted on 05/24/2011 4:13:50 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: ken5050

Amen


11 posted on 05/24/2011 4:13:50 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: mewykwistmas

What if Arnold Schwarzenegger really wanted to be a Mormon and was living his polygamist fantasy?


12 posted on 05/24/2011 4:13:56 PM PDT by dragonblustar ( I stand with Israel!)
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To: Artemis Webb
however you’re pissing into the wind.

In honor of Bob Dylan's 70th birthday, make that, blowing in the wind. I predict a Romney purge. Just a matter of time.

13 posted on 05/24/2011 4:14:00 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory; and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: ken5050

Yeah, good luck. There are people on here who can think of nothing but bashing Mormons. They’re fanatics. I would think there are websites for that kind of silliness. But they come here and inflict their ignorance on those of us just wanting to discuss current affairs, politics, economics and the elections rather than going where that kind of bigotry is wanted, pathetically.


14 posted on 05/24/2011 4:14:00 PM PDT by MissesBush
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To: ken5050
The problem is, if you are not a mormon, you are forbidden to get on the mormon "caucus" page and say anything.

So, we cannot speak our mind there, and now the speech police want to spread it to every other part of the board.

Is stifling free speech and opinions the mormon way? If so, you deserve any comment you get.


15 posted on 05/24/2011 4:14:21 PM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: ken5050

I believe that LDS is considered by management as an anti-Christian religion, making it fair game on all threads.


16 posted on 05/24/2011 4:14:29 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: dragonblustar

point


17 posted on 05/24/2011 4:14:41 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: mewykwistmas; ken5050
What if an athiest was running? Or a muslim? Or a scientologist?

Excellent point - romney/huntsman's beliefs are part and parcel to the whole package. Their judgement in this matter SHOULD be considered - especially since the prophet Joseph Smith was as bad, if not worse, than the prophet Harold Camping - and a fundamental requirement for a temple mormon is to acknowledge that smith was THE true prophet.

Given the block voting for romney by mormons (>90% voted for romney in the primaries) - they viewed religion as a deciding factor - and not his rino background.

18 posted on 05/24/2011 4:16:16 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ken5050
I'm for keeping all the religious threads out of “latest news”.
19 posted on 05/24/2011 4:16:44 PM PDT by NEPA (Give me liberty, not debt)
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To: FrankR

Why don’t you start a thread titled, “Why I disagree with the Mormons” or “Why I hate Joe Smith”? Then you can “speak your mind” till you’re blue in the face.


20 posted on 05/24/2011 4:17:20 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: ken5050

I am in agreement with you.

I am not personally supporting Mr. Romney or Mr. Huntsman.

But, if one was a Roman Catholic and one was a Southern Baptists, the “News” forum and the political threads on it would not be consumed by Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists dragging their theological differences and debates into their opinions of the two candidates.

The same consideration DOES SEEM to NOT be given to “News” forum political threads when a person who is part of the subject of the thread is Mormon.

I too wish this would stop and saying this is not a “pro” Mormon position. It’s a “take your theological disputes to the Religion forum” position.


21 posted on 05/24/2011 4:18:24 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: MNDude

Does /did Romney mention that he is a practicing Mormon? Did he say or suggest that the faith is important to him, helps him, defines him?

If so then it’s 100% legitimate to discuss it. Maybe if he gets elected he will try to impose some of his views on all of us.


22 posted on 05/24/2011 4:19:35 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (Lost your job as a birther under Obama? Become a 'deather'! Where's Bin Laden's death certificate?)
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To: ken5050

Personally I would love to never hear about mormonism ever again for the rest of my life, but Smith seems to possess them from the grave...


23 posted on 05/24/2011 4:19:46 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: ken5050
Most here tend to ignore it, and just leave the thread, so you can argue sillyamongst yourselves. However, that means that often a serious. meaningful article is totally ignored and overlooked.

I agree with you somewhat. I don't care about the Mormon thing because Romney is carrying so much low hanging fruit to hit him on, but how are you going to keep this free of religion when Romney and maybe Huntsman are involved in Mormonism and they make no bones about it. It seem an appropriate discussion on some level. I do see your point on the threads that are just endless one note bashing though.

24 posted on 05/24/2011 4:20:50 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: magritte; Religion Moderator
"I believe that LDS is considered by management as an anti-Christian religion, making it fair game on all threads."

Is this correct?

25 posted on 05/24/2011 4:21:05 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: magritte
I believe that LDS is considered by management as an anti-Christian religion, making it fair game on all threads.

I think that is little overstated.

Mormonism is considered by all main stream Christian belief systems to not be a part of Christianity.

Their own writings also substantiate that fact.

And in my experience, the mods deal with wacky posts from both sides of the argument fairly.

26 posted on 05/24/2011 4:21:18 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: ken5050

“It seems as though everytime there’s an article, or someone posts a comment about Romney, either pro or con”

Wait...there are pro-Romney articles posted here?


27 posted on 05/24/2011 4:21:46 PM PDT by Grunthor (CAIN/BACHMANN or BACHMANN/CAIN. Either way Obommunism is over.)
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To: ken5050

I agree with you, but am not holding my breath.


28 posted on 05/24/2011 4:24:03 PM PDT by rob777
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To: ken5050

I have to agree with Ken.

There is available the Religion Forum. All discussions about religion should belong in the Religion Forum!

I come to Freerepublic to look for Conservative discussions including scientific comments, and politics. Even a few sane Democratic discussion

It I want to read Religion Discussions, I can always go to the Religion Forum. That is what it is for!


29 posted on 05/24/2011 4:24:54 PM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound
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To: Artemis Webb
When that happens and they’re a major candidate we can cross that bridge.

Romney is a major candidate.
30 posted on 05/24/2011 4:27:21 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: ken5050

I disagree. If the candidate in question happens to be Mormon that is an important detail on how that person may govern. Hell the president we have now is muslim, and you see what is happening.


31 posted on 05/24/2011 4:28:52 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
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To: SoConPubbie

Go back and read my reply, which was to #3. The statement I was responding to wasn’t about the Mormons.


32 posted on 05/24/2011 4:29:45 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (artemis_webb@yahoo.com --Lord knows how long before I'm banned so please say hello sometime.)
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To: Wuli
“But, if one (candidate) was a Roman Catholic and one was a Southern Baptists, the “News” forum and the political threads on it would not be consumed by Roman Catholics and Southern Baptists dragging their theological differences and debates into their opinions of the two candidates.”

I wish it were true, but there are just as vocal and unhinged anti-Catholicism posters as there are anti-Mormonism, from what I have seen.

33 posted on 05/24/2011 4:30:03 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

The bible thumpers invade the scientific threads as well.


34 posted on 05/24/2011 4:33:24 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: ken5050

is your agenda to pimp Romney?


35 posted on 05/24/2011 4:35:21 PM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT (I am keeping the faith, I have not finished my course and I am fighting for the good)
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To: All

Any candidate’s espousal of any false religious worldview, such as Mormonism, is a matter of concern and a legitimate topic for discussion.


36 posted on 05/24/2011 4:35:26 PM PDT by onthelookout777
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To: Syncro

I’ll rephrase. If someone would criticize Sarah Palin because they found her Evangelical views wacky and bizarre, I think that would be considered off-limits by mgmt...Mormons won’t get the same consideration. There was some thread the first of the year where I got that impression (Joseph Smith Apostle or something similar).


37 posted on 05/24/2011 4:35:26 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: allmendream

“I wish it were true, but there are just as vocal and unhinged anti-Catholicism posters as there are anti-Mormonism, from what I have seen.”

I see what you are talking about, when the topic is a religious pronouncement or news about something in religion or on the religion forum. I don’t see it when it is candidates and their policy positions - like I believe I do when a candidate is Mormon.


38 posted on 05/24/2011 4:36:53 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: ken5050

I guarantee that if Romney is the nominee, the MSM will start exposing the stuff about the Mormon Church that is regularly put out here on FR, and the Democrats will exploit it to the hilt.


39 posted on 05/24/2011 4:40:11 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Wuli
When was the last major Presidential candidate Catholic?

I don't think John Kerry counts. ;)

I guess I mean on OUR side. The best parallel would be when discussing GOP possible nominees - would Catholicism bring up as much divisiveness as Mormonism?

I don't know. But I wouldn't assume, based upon past conduct, that it wouldn't be a major issue.

40 posted on 05/24/2011 4:41:43 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: ken5050

Can we please keep comments about the Mormon faith off the political discussion threads?
_______________________________________________

Can Williard Mitt Romney go away and leave us alone ???


41 posted on 05/24/2011 4:43:06 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ken5050
I strongly agree, attacking Mormons is completely unnecessary.

MYTH FLIP SLICK WILLARD RINO ROMNEY is a degenerate liar and snake oil salesman, but last I heard Mormons weren't doing any serious harm to mankind and provide lots of amusement.

42 posted on 05/24/2011 4:43:41 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: allmendream
but there are just as vocal and unhinged anti-Catholicism posters

That's an understatement.

43 posted on 05/24/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: onthelookout777

There are enough reasons to oppose Romney that his religion doesn’t have to enter every single thread.

For example his support of socialized medicine.


44 posted on 05/24/2011 4:43:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ken5050

bookmark


45 posted on 05/24/2011 4:44:21 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: dfwgator

You bet they would.

But it wouldn’t be religious bigotry when THEY did it - it would be framed as concern Evangelicals being bigots over the rather outlandish beliefs of Mormonism - which we will detail here.....


46 posted on 05/24/2011 4:44:32 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: ken5050

Just get Romney to quit and your problem will go away!


47 posted on 05/24/2011 4:45:02 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Wuli
>>“I wish it were true, but there are just as vocal and unhinged anti-Catholicism posters as there are anti-Mormonism, from what I have seen.”

>I see what you are talking about, when the topic is a religious pronouncement or news about something in religion or on the religion forum. I don’t see it when it is candidates and their policy positions - like I believe I do when a candidate is Mormon.

You're too new to FR.

Back in the 1840s, though, we had some threads that were real doozies!

48 posted on 05/24/2011 4:45:46 PM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: allmendream

Heckuva lot more Catholics than Mormons, and Catholicism has been around a lot longer than Mormonism, thus it is more legit in the eyes of most people.


49 posted on 05/24/2011 4:46:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ken5050
Cheese with your whine?


50 posted on 05/24/2011 4:49:19 PM PDT by Utah Binger (Inman FReepers Meet July 23 At the Maynard Dixon Home and Studio)
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