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Elderly patients dying of thirst: Doctorsforced to prescribe drinkingwater to keep the old
Daily Mail ^ | 5/25/11 | Sophie Borland

Posted on 05/25/2011 9:44:57 PM PDT by Nachum

Doctors are prescribing drinking water for neglected elderly patients to stop them dying of thirst in hospital. The measure – to remind nurses of the most basic necessity – is revealed in a damning report on pensioner care in NHS wards. Some trusts are neglecting the elderly on such a fundamental level their wards could face closure orders. The snapshot study, triggered by a Mail campaign, found staff routinely ignored patients’ calls for help and forgot to check that they had had enough to eat and drink.

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Full Title: Elderly patients dying of thirst: Doctors forced to prescribe drinking water to keep the old alive, reveals devastating report on hospital care
1 posted on 05/25/2011 9:45:00 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum

This is sad. I have an elderly relative possibly at the end of her life, in the hospital in queens right now. I hope they are giving her enough fluids,


2 posted on 05/25/2011 9:46:31 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Nachum

RomneyCare


3 posted on 05/25/2011 9:51:07 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Nachum

The daily horror show on ObamaCare in the UK, totally covered up by the evil democrat party US media.

Not one in a hundred people in the US are aware of the truth.

Yeah, we see these on Free Republic, but that is about all.


4 posted on 05/25/2011 9:55:12 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (When the past no longer illuminates the future, the spirit walks in darkness.)
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To: Nachum

You’d think that water taps would be made available for the patients that still have the ability to operate them. It can’t be that expensive an item can it?


5 posted on 05/25/2011 9:55:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Nachum

Tine to get rid of a lot of nurses. If they can’t be bothered to provide water, they have no place in healthcare.


6 posted on 05/25/2011 9:56:01 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Bockscar

But not for Obama, congress critters, Muslims and all those special interest groups that are exempt.


8 posted on 05/25/2011 10:05:27 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: matt04

How about just throwing the nurses out the windows? If they cannot be counted on to give fluids to thirsty patients, they are basically wastes of skin.

Either that, or hire more nurses. The hospitals could be understaffed.


9 posted on 05/25/2011 10:05:41 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: Nachum
Drip, Drip, Drip
(It's another form of water boarding just for our elderly)
10 posted on 05/25/2011 10:05:53 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: Nachum
You say horrible death by dehydration. Obama says long term cost savings.

tomayto - tomahto

11 posted on 05/25/2011 10:09:14 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! Tea Party extremism is a badge of honor.)
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To: Nachum
At what point does society...whether a govt board, an insurance company, the family, the market...or even the patient say "enough" ?

As we cross the threshold of 2 workers for every retiree...with the advances in medical care and assisted living, folks are living well into their 80s and 90s fairly regularly.

Are there enough resources in the country to fund every conceivable medical procedure and unlimted assisted care?

Those resources don't exist.

How does a compassionate society decide that allocation of resources? That will be one of our great moral challenges of the next 30 years.

How do we provide unlimited medical care and assisted living for 40 to 60 million people over 65?

Is it even possible?

I say it is not possible.

12 posted on 05/25/2011 10:12:22 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Yaelle

“I hope they are giving her enough fluids”

Is there someone who can go and check up on her?

Never be in a hospital without an advocate, this is what a relative who just underwent some very serious sh*t told me.

Also, Republicans need to seize on these stories and tell them, as the inevitable future of health care under the dem/socialist mode.


13 posted on 05/25/2011 10:14:59 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Nachum
Hang a sock out the window when it rains then suck on it.
14 posted on 05/25/2011 10:14:59 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Obama can't see something pure like the truth without wanting to abort it.)
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To: Nachum
Ain't Socialized Medicine just peachy keen?
Everyone is so looking forward to 0B0Z0Care,doncha know.
</sarcasm>
15 posted on 05/25/2011 10:15:57 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Brandonmark
(It's another form of water boarding just for our elderly)

Make that water hoarding

17 posted on 05/25/2011 10:20:07 PM PDT by Brandonmark (News Coverage)
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To: Nachum
They might as well be adrift on the ocean...”Water, water everywhere but not a drop to drink.”
18 posted on 05/25/2011 10:25:35 PM PDT by JPG (Bibi 1, O'Hamas 0.)
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To: matt04

A few years ago there was quite a dust up after a rather affluent man ‘experienced’ a hospital stay. Conditions were so bad his wife had to be creative and forceful to sweep him out of that hospital and into another. He then wrote an expose of sorts for the newspapers. He was QUITE specific about the nurses in the first hospital: “dirty, grubby hands” “unwashed hair” “unkempt, dirty uniforms” and described how EVERY nurse who had attended him had loudly spoken of her tawdry sex life with other nurses while changing bedding etc. It seems to be wage related - the pay is so low that only this type of person becomes a nurse in that hospital. At the time, the officials responsible for that hospital said all of the nurses were quite ‘gutted’ by his comments etc. Seems nothing has changed.


19 posted on 05/25/2011 10:25:54 PM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote

The NHS have cut back on RN’s - I believe they’re talking about nursing aides who practically run the units or wards.


20 posted on 05/25/2011 10:33:51 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Nachum
Dealing with the elderly is an embarrassing social dilemma. Younger folks, who can't emotionally handle the reality that they'll someday be in that condition themselves, are desperate to salve their consciences by passing their parents off to third parties: rest homes, etc. Their consciences are assuaged because they've "done something."

Earlier cultures dealt with the problem more mercifully IMO. When the time came it was part of the social contract in many societies to leave old folks alone in the wilderness to die with dignity of exposure, starvation and thirst -- a much kinder and quicker fate than being left to the not-so-tender mercies of minimum-wage airheads who entertain themselves by placing bets on which of their charges will wet or soil themselves first.

I'm reaching that time of life. Thank God I haven't given all my guns away!

21 posted on 05/25/2011 10:33:56 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Yaelle

Does anyone record the amount of water they drink? Is anyone home up there to think and recall that they need a drink. These are the issues for you and what this article is about.


22 posted on 05/25/2011 10:35:07 PM PDT by Domangart
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So nurses in the UK are nothing but butchers who "forget" (yeah, "forget") to give the helpless eldery patients depending on them, water??? Insane. So these "forgetful" executioners - I mean, nurses - need to have prescriptions of the medicine - I mean "water" so the helpless elderly do not die of thirst. What depths of cruelty!

23 posted on 05/25/2011 11:07:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Bernard Marx

Plenty of earlier cultures revered the elderly and took care of them with kindness and respect!


24 posted on 05/25/2011 11:07:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah

Not joking here - my husbands grandmother passed away in a “better’ nursing home - the Dr. put her cause of death down as

DEHYDRATION.

Yes. Thing is she paid her own way there for the first four years, then MOST of her funds were gone. Medi-caid/care had to pick up about 50% after that, but we still paid her private medical insurance.

And she died of DEHYDRATION. The nurses didn’t do SQUAT - even about informing us there was a problem.


25 posted on 05/25/2011 11:21:53 PM PDT by Ladysforest
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"How about just throwing the nurses out the windows?"

I couldn't help but give my take on the above remark. It illustrates thinking that I am sure that certain individuals in the nursing staff are doing. It illustrates a morality that is willing to trade one bad behavior for another. It is a God complex and it is the result of the the self-esteem movement which began in 1969.

In the case of certain individuals in a nursing staff, they may feel they are over worked and under paid or feel some form of injustice. So, to express their displeasure in the situation, they trade their poor treatment for a behavior that exacts a punishment for that treatment. Sometimes that punishment manifests itself in an outrageous action. Such a morality in the nurse's case, acts out their assault on their self-esteem by trading their displeasure for the displeasure of the patient. This behavior is just like your comment, which I know is in a figurative way, takes pleasure in a drastic action; like tossing nurses out of windows. This type of thinking manifests itself in the same type of street justice that causes a patient to suffer a slow, painful death by dehydration.

It reminds me of the story of a restaurant worker who took out his feelings of injustice by peeing in the coffee. It reminds me of the student who takes a gun to class and kills teachers and classmates.

It gives that nurse a sense of justice where the patient by proxy, is the one who pays for their displeasure.

26 posted on 05/25/2011 11:26:37 PM PDT by jonrick46 (2012 can't come soon enough.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

how about requiring families to take in their elderly and care for them themselves, instead of expecting the govt to provide?.......not there’s an idea....


27 posted on 05/25/2011 11:29:37 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Ladysforest

Cruel witches. Horrible. How can people be so disgustingly heartless.

A woman I know cares for her elderly grandmother at home, along with homeschooling her two or three children. I don’t think her grandma is bedridden but does need someone at home with her all the time.

That’s what families are for, and used to be like. Of course some elderly have such medical conditions they can’t be cared for at home, but even in some cases, a health home care visit a few times a week would make the home care practicable, and of course much cheaper than a nursing home staffed with butchers and murderers.

Sorry to hear about your husband’s grandmother. Cruelty to the helpless and the elderly makes me enraged.


28 posted on 05/25/2011 11:30:20 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: KarlInOhio

In the case of Terri Schiavo they called it a “peaceful death”.

We had a relative die this way in a nursing home. Once “they” determine that you are already on your way out, they can decide that water is unnecessarily prolonging your life.


29 posted on 05/25/2011 11:38:10 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Mariner
it is NOT possible....

taking care of elderly adults is more labor intensive than taking care of an infant...

an infant is small, easily handled...if he has a soiled diaper, its a quick job to clean up...if he needs food or drink, just grab a bottle....they are soothed by rocking or swaddling..

elderly...the sick elderly...are frail...they could still be large, heavy, difficult to turn...they don't swallow properly.....they take a long time to eat....they choke on pills...you can't put them in a safe crib so they don't fall out...."patient rights" etc....but when they do climb out on their own, there is hell to pay....

people in a hospital are not prisoners...if they don't want to eat or drink, then they can't be forced too....

if they don't want to stay in bed, and you can't restrain them or use those "drugs" to help them relax, then you better be prepared for broken hips and skull fractures....

its a no win situation...

so be prepared to keep your elders in your home....because no country can afford one on one care for the millions and millions that will need care....its impossible....

30 posted on 05/25/2011 11:39:27 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Ladysforest
so how many years did your husbands grandmother LIVE in that awful nursing home?....at least 4 ....and how OLD was she?...and WHY was she in a nursing home?....

did you want her to have one nurse....and its not nurses..its nurses aids....for all HER needs?....or were the other patients to be ignored....

did she have diabetes?...heart failure?...renal failure?...was she an aspirator?....not able to eat or drink enough....???

did you want her on tube feedings?

WHY did NO family take her home?....complain all you want...but if family is not going to take responsibility, than there is no room to criticize....

Why did the family leave grandma in such a rotten place with such rotten caregivers?....

31 posted on 05/25/2011 11:46:51 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Nachum
"The snapshot study, triggered by a Mail campaign"

a lousy study by a paper that sensationalizes.....

32 posted on 05/25/2011 11:48:18 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Nachum
I once heard that an elderly man I had known my entire life had been ejected from the nursing home where he had been living. He had somehow ended up in a ward of people with very advanced dementia even though I knew from previous visits that, although he had some problems, he did not belong there. When I went to visit him I found him barely able to move or speak, lying in the main room of the ward with all the others who were similarly mute and motionless.

I inquired from the doctor on duty if his current condition could be the result of a drug overdose. The doctor clearly though nothing was amiss. But right after this one of the nurses whispered to me: "You can get him out of here."

I had an ambulance called and he was transferred to a nearby hospital (which considering the closeness of the hospital was a ridiculously involved procedure in itself), At the hospital doctors quickly found that he was extremely dehydrated, that this was the reason for the apparent change in his condition, and told me that he would have died very soon if he had not been brought in. Soon he was revived and we were having a conversation.

He still had some serious problems but he lived for several years after this incident. Anyway this taught me that:

1. There probably are a lot of cases where the symptoms of extreme dehydration or other critical health problems are confused with dementia.

2. Once you appear to have dementia, or even if you are just among others with dementia, a lot of people (including doctors) are not going to inquire too closely about your well-being.

3. Sometimes nurses have a better idea what is going on than doctors, but they can be afraid to speak up.

33 posted on 05/25/2011 11:56:19 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Mariner

Reading threads about this issue, I am often reminded of STNG ( Star trek next generation) episode with David Ogden Stiers.
In his characters culture when one reached 60 yrs of age they were expected to die, or commit suicide.
It was considered a stain on the family if they did not.
Since I saw that episode sometime in the 80’s I have often reflected what set of circumstances could lead the USA to implement. Since 0 care has come to be, I no longer wonder what set of circumstances, but when we will be forced to end our lives.

In my life I have met any people who are vibrant productive members of society well into their 7,8,9,10th decade of life.

When I was in trade school in early 80’s, I was in class with retired engineer, he was 74 yrs of age. He went back to school to learn a new trade because he was bored in retirement.

I do not think any govt entity should be able to decide when a citizen should die.
What I was only useful for generating taxes, but now that I am done paying taxes I should die.
As to resources, if we had responsible civic minded pols ( I am killing myself LOL) that were more concerned with fiscal responsibility this would not even be a discussion.

I could go on but I do not like rants, therefore I am done ranting for the night.


34 posted on 05/26/2011 12:00:08 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: matt04

nursing homes nurses are horribly overwhelmed. This is a symptom of a bad system as much as it is a bad nurse. I have worked on a floor that what would be considered a nursing home. I had 11 patients and got an admission that made 12. The admission took about 2.5 hours to complete. That left me with 9.5 hours to take care of 12 patients. That leaves me with 47.5 minutes per patient. Charting on each patient takes approximately 17 minutes each. That leaves 30 minutes per patient. Each patient gets a physical assessment. A thorough physical assessment takes about 10 minutes. That leaves 7 minutes left per patient or 84 minutes total. So, you now have 1 hour and 24 minutes minutes to safely pass medications to 12 people. That may or may not be enough time depending on the meds and the patients. Notice I haven’t mentioned a lunch, a break, going to the bathroom, or doing any kind of dressing changes, or helping people go to the bathroom, or extenuating circumstances that require calling physicians and taking orders, drawing blood, starting IVs, cleaning up poop and pee, walking up and down the halls checking patients, turning patients every two hours, obtaining vital signs, writing/taping report for the oncoming shift, talking to the patients and/or their families, etc. I have worked on other floors where I had 5 patients that were so complicated that they took even more time to deal with incidentally. Nurses are being asked to do too much. This is the healthcare system you got. Firing more nurses won’t fix it, it will more likely collapse it. I think I should have been a plumber. I would be paid more, worked less, and held to a lesser standard. Plumbers don’t go to jail when they eff up your sink installation. Nursing sucks.


35 posted on 05/26/2011 12:05:34 AM PDT by RC one (DO NOT RAISE THE DEBT LIMIT!)
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To: Nailbiter
Since I saw that episode sometime in the 80’s I have often reflected what set of circumstances could lead the USA to implement. Since 0 care has come to be, I no longer wonder what set of circumstances,

Well, mandatory spend-downs on IRAs are one factor. You reach the age where you can access your IRA, and are forced to drain the thing, as if you're supposed to drop dead once the $ runs out.

36 posted on 05/26/2011 12:07:52 AM PDT by kittycatonline.com
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To: kittycatonline.com

Why not draw down then pay into Roth or is that not allowed. I am uninformed on that aspect


37 posted on 05/26/2011 12:17:19 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: FormerACLUmember

...”The daily horror show on ObamaCare in the UK, totally covered up by the evil democrat party US media.

Not one in a hundred people in the US are aware of the truth.

Yeah, we see these on Free Republic, but that is about all”...

You are correct...Here we preach mostly to the choir..We need to post articles on FACEBOOK and any other social media we have privy to..We need to join every communication vehicle we can to get the word out to people about what Americans face with Obamacare..The evidence is right under our noses.


38 posted on 05/26/2011 2:24:15 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Nachum

I believe part of the Kenyan Medical system that the Democrats have forced and the Republicans wil,do go along with is the unionization of the medical profession. When hosp9ital staffs are all unionized we will have this phenomenon in spades. Patients will no longer be the focus of nurses and hospital techs’ work. Union politics and union concerns will rule totally and they have nothing to do with things like patients’ welfare.


39 posted on 05/26/2011 2:29:08 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: arthurus

Sort of like United Airlines and passengers?


40 posted on 05/26/2011 2:30:59 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (Khach hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: cherry

...”how about requiring families to take in their elderly and care for them themselves, instead of expecting the govt to provide?.......not there’s an idea”....

Those who love their elderly will do that..Unfortunately, the relatives want to drain their elderly of any money they might have, but they do not want to do anything for it.


41 posted on 05/26/2011 2:32:33 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: jonrick46

No matter how poorly I was treated by my boss, I would NOT take it out on a customer. If I were a nurse, and I treated a patient poorly, I would deserve to be tossed out a window, too.

I can always look for another place to work, meanwhile...


42 posted on 05/26/2011 2:42:01 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I hate politically correct sorosmonkey superheroes!)
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To: RC one

Thank you, Nurse, for posting. We need to get back to family care for our elderly. However, the problem today is that the “Sandwich Generation” is already having to rear the Grandkids because the Mom’s are single, divorced, or just stressed because both parents work and it is killing some who are already elderly themselves. How would they take care of Grandma and the Grandkids, too?


43 posted on 05/26/2011 2:43:46 AM PDT by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Nachum

They’re sending a mixed message to the staff. They actually want these folks to LIVE??


44 posted on 05/26/2011 2:49:04 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Our Constitution: the new Inconvenient Truth)
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To: matt04
"Tine to get rid of a lot of nurses."

Good luck with that..there is a shortage of nurses for a reason. The good care givers are working alongside people who the facilities drag off the street to make their numbers. There are people working in these facilities that are unable to be hired anywhere else.

45 posted on 05/26/2011 2:50:54 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: matt04

In socialized health care the practitioners are in direct competition with their patients for funding. Less money spent on patients means more available for workers.

The fact doctors have to prescribe water to keep patients alive indicates the nurses are killing patients by depriving them of water.


46 posted on 05/26/2011 2:52:57 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Domangart

The emphasis of this article is that people simply aren’t drinking enough water during hot summer months.

About eight years ago in Europe....we had one of those rare 95-degree periods that lasted about six weeks. It was a funny thing. Off in France....hundreds of senior citizens died, and the chief reason in the end was lack of water. These folks were consuming a fraction of the water that they should have been drinking, and consuming wine instead. In Germany? There were only around a dozen senior citizens to die from the heat....mostly because older Germans were drinking mostly water or water with juice.

The science and medical community came out after the event....to proclaim that people had forgotten ages old knowledge of drinking water to replenish yourself.


47 posted on 05/26/2011 2:55:10 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: ThanhPhero

I flew UA twice and lost my baggage both times. They know where it is. A clerk told me so and said he had handled one bag. The Company told me that they would not send my bags to me or compensate me for them. In talking to others who have flown economy class on UA I have come to believe that a certain percentage of Economy Cass luggage is never loaded in a fuel saving measure. The staff on UA planes treat the passengers as merely an unreasonable requirement for them to do some desultory work on their vacation time. They don’t even seem to understand that it is the passengers that make it possible for them to wear the nifty uniforms and travel to exotic places which is what they think their whole employment is about. They resent the passengers and treat them with high disdain. I have also flown KAL and Cathay who treat passengers as if they would really like them to fly on their airplanes again. I never had any trouble with baggage or anything else on them at all.


48 posted on 05/26/2011 3:17:32 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: RC one
When I worked in a nursing home as a nursing assistant, our unit had 42 patients. Sometimes there was only one nurse for those 42 patients. The unit was assigned 3 assistants. I usually had 13 patients to care for; however, if an assistant called in sick or on vacation, the 2 left over would have 21 patients each to feed, clean up after incontinent spells, get dressed for bed, get into bed, do q 2 hour rounds, answer call bells, etc., etc.

The lone nurse had meds to pass out for 42 patients, charting and all that you mentioned in your post. Most had to stay overtime to get their paperwork finished.

It's a 90 mile an hour job.

49 posted on 05/26/2011 3:18:48 AM PDT by 3catsanadog (If healthcare reform is passed, 41 years old will be the new 65 YO.)
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To: bronxville

“The NHS have cut back on RN’s - I believe they’re talking about nursing aides who practically run the units or wards.”

You are absolutely correct. There is a huge difference between a Registered Nurse and a Nurse’s Aid. Most people perceive anyone in scrubs as a “nurse” but this is so incorrect. Only RN’s can dispense medicines, perform specific procedures etc. The “nurse” who takes your blood pressure and temperature and brings you water or ice chips is 99% of the time a Nurse’s Aid. Here in the US we experience mostly well trained good Certified Nurse’s Aids; but once Obamacare’s “reduction in payments to providers (i.e. hospitals)” kicks in who knows what will happen. Nothing good I’m sure.


50 posted on 05/26/2011 3:44:58 AM PDT by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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