Skip to comments.TEA PARTY AND OLD GUARD REPUBS WELL ON THEIR WAY TO RE-ELECTING OBAMA
Posted on 05/30/2011 12:02:25 PM PDT by MostlyAnti-Lib
An open message to the New York Tea Party:
Congratulations on your pitiful loss of the New York 26th district. Clumsily run; clumsily lost. Allowing Jack Davis to sell himself as a Tea Party candidate without exposing him as a liar leads one to assume that either the Tea Party leaders are incredibly stupid or they wanted Kathy Hochul to win. Allowing the Democrats to sell the outrageous lie that the Republicans Medicare reform plan is tantamount to an end of Medicare without exposing them as the liars they are was either incredibly stupid or you actually wanted Kathy Hochul to win. Wise up or continue to ensure Obama's reelection.
Why do our own guys drop the ball when they get a perfect opportunity to clarify the Republican policies? After watching that reprehensible video of Grandma being thrown off a cliff, Mitch McConnell on Fox News Sunday (5/22), neglected to mention that in the Paul Ryan plan for reforming Social Security and Medicare, for people 55 years of age and older, nothing will change. Grandma will not be thrown off a cliff, under the bus or down the stairs, whereas, under ObamaCare, there will be European-style rationing, which is the equivalent of (dare I say it?) Death Panels, and Grandma will be in deep trouble.
It is a good point: The perfect is the enemy of the good.
You can bet your butt that the DNC will take note of this and leverage the “I would rather vote independent than RINO” crowd.
By numbers, they didn’t give us barry zero soreto in 2008. But they will give us his second term.
Other than that obama and those who protect him will be lucky if they escape hard jail time.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
Sarah will turn things around for the Republicans in a matter of days, when she announces. Word of warning for the GOP- if Sarah (or someone at least as conservative) doesn’t get the nod for ‘12 there are a LOT of us that will go third party. We may not win ‘12 but by ‘16 the GOP will be the minor third party. This is your last chance.
>>In this case the fraudulent is the enemy of the good<<
And yet was able to draw off votes.
I agree we need the best conservative candidate — and my tag says who I say that is (Cain). But after all is said and done, we need to support whomever wins (even if we have to throw up after voting Romney — let us pray it doesn’t come to that).
The call for purity will kill us in 2012.
The only reason anybody can possibly promote voting for a RINO over a principled conservative is because they want to drag as many conservatives down the path to destruction with them. I can see no other explanation being that the only difference between a RINO and a liberal is the pace at which we self destruct.
Many around FR like to use the frog in the pot analogy, well it applies to no situation better than than the RINO vs Conservative situation. Fortunately we have some pretty smart frogs who are jumping out of the pot. Those of you who wish to remain hoping your combined body temperature will save you... lots a luck. I see a Chinese buffet table in your future.
>>If Sarah...doesnt get the nod for 12 there are a LOT of us that will go third party. <<
The words of “Conservatives for Obama 2012: when soft socialism isn’t extreme enough.”
You make my point for me.
NY-26 doesn’t mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Just stay focused on the good fight and Obama will be a one term wonder.
Davis ran as a "tea party" candidate to exploit a rift in the conservative movement, specifically that of free trade. No matter how many times we said he was a liberal, the democrats weren't going to vote for him anyway, they had their candidate.
Davis had an issue which resonated with a subset of the conservative movement, while the republican candidate spent the last two weeks downplaying the republican medicare plan. Also, Davis allowed a dynamic where the negative attacks were between Davis and Corwin, while Hochul stayed above the fray, and simply focused on medicare.
So in the end, Hochul was able to win all the democrats, plus people who love to vote but hate strongly negative attacks, and people who were swayed by the medicare lies.
Meanwhile, a lot of people who voted republican last time didn't show up. Some were still embarrased at electing a sleezeball, and didn't care to vote. Some turned off by the negative attacks, some didn't like Corwin distancing herself from Ryan's plan.
Davis attracted the Ron Paul vote to some degree, anti-free-trade, anti-interventionist, and somewhat libertarian. But he only got 9% of the vote.
I'd add that he managed to peel off votes that would have mindlessly voted republican: When he hit 23% of the vote, those voters were mostly republicans who for whatever reason were persuaded, for a moment, to leave the republican nominee. Once they were thinking, the attacks on Davis probably turned a lot of them off, so while they decided not to vote Davis, they probably stayed home.
The point is that 90% of a vote is keeping your base from thinking twice about something. Once they are told to choose, some will. The Democrat got about the same number of votes as in the general election, but the republican vote simply failed to show up.
Which is the last problem -- republicans tend to have jobs which require them to be at work; democrats are more unemployed, or teachers who have shorter workdays or work where the polling places are, or unions which have elections in their contracts. Democrats live in cities where it's easier to vote.
It's just a fact that in most special elections, the minority party does better than in major elections. They see a chance to finally win, which somewhat overcomes the apathy. I've seen republicans come close to winning strongly democratic districts in Virginia in special elections.
There is no "Tea Party". The "Tea Party" was a movement, nor an organization. Because it was not an organization, it didn't have protection for the name, and people coopted the name for their own purposes.
We can’t vote for Romney, that is a bridge too far.
I also question the RNC’s ineptness in New York’s 26th district election. This was Politics 101 tactics and the New York RNC acted like they were college freshmen at a beer party rather than studying for their political science final. Well, the party is over and they flunked political science. I hope this is not a national trend.
Whatever happens here should NOT reflect what's happening elsewhere.
Our rebubes are NOT Conservative. We tried to get a few elected but failed to do so.
NY is a true blue state. I learned that the hard way in 2008, in my little town in Suffolk County Long Island. Most of us are Conservative. I would have sworn we would take 2008, inspite of mclame, but because of Sarah.
Even in our local election, where I saw Carl Paladino, Joseph J. DioGuardi & John B. Gomez prominently displayed, went on my own “one man bandwagon”, I could have sworn we would win. Boy, was I wrong.
New York is NOT a place one should look at for ANY future of America.
A third party will guarantee OBummers re-election.
The fake Tea Party problem will not be an issue on the Presidential line. Yes, there will be some dunderhead Libertarian types (Ron Paul supporters, etc) who will vote 3rd party, but the vast majority of those opposed to Obama will vote for the Republican nominee almost no matter who it is.
Saying that though, this thing with fake and real Tea Party candidates running 3rd party has the potential to be a major problem on a congressional and maybe even state level. It seems pretty clear that in some places disgruntled Tea Party candidates and activists are perfectly willing to throw elections to Democrats in order to spite the GOP. In NY 26, Bellavia was the preferred Tea Party candidate and when he didn’t get the nomination he and some of his supporters actually endorsed and actively supported the fake Tea Party candidate Davis. All this just to stick it to the GOP. Have the NY Tea Party groups officially apologized for and banished their original candidate of choice (Bellavia) who turned out to be an utter scumbag? If they have, I haven’t heard it.
Additionally, a certain percentage of ignorant folks on the right apparently identify with the Tea Party and will vote for anyone with a Tea Party after their name without even knowing or understanding who the candidate is.
These factors suggest Dems will run fake Tea Party candidates wherever they can, and count on butthurt real Tea Party candidates who didn’t get the GOP nomination to run 3rd party in various spots throughout the country.
Considering the screw ups in NY 23 (2nd time around), the crap candidate Bellavia in NY 26 they originally supported and the nomination of that buffoon Paladino, it is probably safe to say the New York Tea Party has been more a negative than a positive. But the NY GOP is nothing to write home about either. We just have to hope that the various Tea Party organizations in the rest of the states get their act together and don’t fail utterly like their brethren in New York state. Overall the Tea Party nationwide has been a very positive force in pushing the Republican party to the right, they will just have to make a real effort to educate their folks that the Tea Party operates WITHIN the confines of the Republican party - and NOT as a 3rd party.
Gettin' kind of wierd - in my opinion!
How about Hillary for President? Obama is on the way out and will be soon removed from office. Obama is an embarrassment and also incompetent as President. He dosen’t deserve another term. If Hillary gets nominated, then the GOP candidate will have a chance.
Ya, think about it!
I don't know if I should tell you this or not, but, against my better judgment, I voted for McCain in 2008. A lot of good that did. But I will not knowingly vote for a RINO again.
If you nominate clowns like Paladino, you won't win anywhere.
New York is not very conservative friendly, but nominate good candidates and keep everyone on the same page and yes, we can even get our share of wins in NY.
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