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Gary Johnson: Another Open-Borders Libertarian
Weekend Libertarian ^ | May 31, 2011 | B.P. Terpstra

Posted on 05/30/2011 5:27:50 PM PDT by AustralianConservative

Guru Gary Johnson is a perfect Woodstock libertarian. I can see why professional RINO libertarians would like an open-borders candidate too. They don’t listen to the victims of illegal immigration (or can’t remember them after a joint).

Johnson’s positions on abortion and “global warming” are similarly incoherent. On the other hand, and to be fair, he loves to mother drug addicts, so will win the Cheech and Chong vote (if they don’t sleep in).

Student lounges must be buzzing. Surrounded by security guards, pampered girly-boy libertarians love utopian visionaries. “His immigration policy is a vast muddle that would make the most liberal open borders Azatlan activist proud. He is against effectively securing the border, and against deporting illegals who are here, and seems pretty happy with the notion of simply letting them stay,” acknowledges the sympathetic Kurt Schlichter.

What a mess. Likewise, Alex Maisse, a fan, admits, “In the end, Gary Johnson appeals to Reason subscribers*, the people who attend events hosted by the [Soros-backed] Cato Institute and other middle-class enlightened types distressed by the parade of grotesques offered by the ‘mainstream’ parties.”

It’s my view that the open-borders libertarian crowd and friends of judicial activism have been undermining the so-called War on Drugs for decades. But I digress. Professional libertarians are often sheltered from the consequences of drug-first libertarianism and open-borders libertarianism, so they can afford their views.

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1 posted on 05/30/2011 5:27:54 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Johnson is wrong on border security, but the federal war on drugs is absolutely unconstitutional and has failed.


2 posted on 05/30/2011 6:08:54 PM PDT by Brett11
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To: AustralianConservative

This guy has about as much chance as gaining the nomination as Ron Paul. Which is little to none.


3 posted on 05/30/2011 7:03:03 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: AustralianConservative

The left would just love for this knucklehead to get the nomination.loosertarians


4 posted on 05/30/2011 7:04:35 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: AustralianConservative

Libertarians, who have some great ideas, are lost when they assume that economics alone make a successful country.


5 posted on 05/30/2011 7:12:36 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: AustralianConservative

That doesn’t sound like what Johnson had to stay in the debate in early May. He wanted to create a guest worker program with NO path to citizenship, and require tax id numbers for all of them.


6 posted on 05/30/2011 7:24:53 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Republicans curtail freedoms too, they just do it more slowly than Democrats.)
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To: AustralianConservative; All

I was a LP member for several years, strongly supporting laissez-faire economic and social policies, but resigned over the Gulf War, among other things.

I have never been, nor can I be, a Republican nor a Democrat, for both of these nearly indistinguishable entities selectively ignore the 10th amendment when it suits their agenda, and run roughshod over the rest of the Constitution when the ‘will of the people’ will allow it. They are all, with few exceptions in my lifetime, in violation of their oath of office. I doubt most of them have even read the Constitution, much less understood how fundamentally important it was and is to the success of this nation.

But the LP makes me sad - sad because of their continued self-deluding ignorance, sad because without a dose of nationalism they can never win a federal election, sad because if they did accidentally win a federal election their policies would be disastrous in the long-term.

There are 2 fatal weaknesses in the ‘mainstream’ libertarian thought process:

1. that you can still have a country if you don’t define and control its borders

2. that you can still have a country if you don’t defend it, at home and abroad

The latter is painfully obvious, if not completely self-evident. Individuals have an inalienable right to self-defense; so do the countries which protect those individuals. We may disagree about necessity and cost and circumstances and evidence, but not the fundamantal right. The federal government is charged with defending this nation; it is a valid federal power, specifically authorized by the Constitution. It has virtually no restrictions on how it is executed. War is hell. So end it quickly.

The former is more difficult to get across to some, because they are by nature accepting and trusting and friendly individuals. And I freely admit and advocate that open borders and free migration are perfectly sound policies among the 50 states, but not between nations, for the same reason that squatters and looters and festival campers have no right to enter and use your property without your permission. This is our house, and we reserve the right to refuse entry to anyone, for any reason.

Call it racism, bigotry, profiling, discrimination, or any other little label you care to slap on it, it doesn’t matter. Without these two things no nation will long exist.


7 posted on 05/30/2011 8:02:15 PM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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8 posted on 05/30/2011 8:53:22 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: Brett11

Of course, the war on drugs has failed. Unlike Singapore:

Americans don’t protect their borders

Judges give inconsistent (often soft sentences)

Movie stars frequently use drugs and are paraded as media heroes (sending wrong messages to teens)

I say: Launch a real war and then tell me if it works.


9 posted on 05/30/2011 11:00:50 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: Signalman

You’re right but he will attempt to influence the debates.


10 posted on 05/30/2011 11:01:44 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Right. I’m sure the left would love this guy. He is undermining your security. Terrorist cells no doubt love professional libertarians too.


11 posted on 05/30/2011 11:03:07 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: Amberdawn

Excellent point.


12 posted on 05/30/2011 11:04:01 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: newzjunkey

Johnson is all over the place – even his fans concede this point. He could be Arthur or Martha today.


13 posted on 05/30/2011 11:05:42 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: CzarChasm

Many people would share your frustrations. It would be lovely to think that illegal immigrants didn’t attack free market businesses and never accessed government welfare. Alas, that’s a fantasy.

I see a huge difference between the Democrats and Republicans on the most important issue of our time: abortion. Or the plight of the “useless eater” who is denied liberty.


14 posted on 05/30/2011 11:21:10 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Thanks AC.

As far the the dem/rep split on the matter, I see a fairly consistent dem view on the matter, not so much on the repub side. But while it is an important issue to many, it does not affect the physical protection/destruction of the nation. The entire world will suffer if this nation is allowed to disintegrate.

I have no idea what a ‘useless eater’ is.


15 posted on 05/30/2011 11:33:11 PM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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To: AustralianConservative

The US could easily win the war on drugs by seriously hitting and harming the large drug dealers. You try them and fry them. Lower level drug dealers you exile from America. You kick them out to some Devil’s Island where we airdrop some supplies. I’m sure there are some Pacific Islands that will be suitable

Why nor legalize murder and assault? That would lower the crime rate


16 posted on 05/31/2011 3:20:22 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: CzarChasm

Well said.


17 posted on 05/31/2011 7:28:21 AM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: AustralianConservative

It might work after a fashion, but we’d no longer be the constitutional republic the Founders handed off to us, as the war on some drugs is the single most destructive force the Constitution has ever known. Followed closely by the war on terror, of course. And, in case you hadn’t noticed, Singapore YET has a drug problem.


18 posted on 05/31/2011 10:01:27 AM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: Signalman

Even LRon has more of a chance than this guy.


19 posted on 05/31/2011 11:00:22 AM PDT by DangerZone (Close the primaries or say hello to Republican nominee for president Mitt Romney)
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To: newzjunkey

With millions of unemployed Americans, many receiving unemployment money provided by taxpayers, we don’t need (another) guest worker program.


20 posted on 05/31/2011 11:04:48 AM PDT by DangerZone (Close the primaries or say hello to Republican nominee for president Mitt Romney)
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To: dennisw

Good points. Why don’t libertarians legalize rape because rape laws aren’t working? It’s a red herring.

I’d also suggest that private companies help secure the border. Privatize it.

Why do libertarians have locks on their doors? Go figure.

Americans have the brains but government and activist judges have undermined security through selective “compassion.”


21 posted on 05/31/2011 8:16:32 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative; dennisw
What you both fail to consider is the simple fact that, while rape, robbery, murder and so forth, violate the rights of others because of the initiation of force, simple drug usage does NOT. But you typical drug warriors don't seem too troubled by the routine rape of the Constitution by the war on some drugs. Why is that? Relegalize drug usage and defund the Cartels and the terrorist Mooslimes, not to mention the drug criminalization industry in this country. THAT is the biggest single threat to our Constitution we face. Not that it troubles you drug warriors very much, as long as YOUR pleasures are left alone, right?
22 posted on 06/02/2011 7:25:37 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

Offhand I would say execute all drug dealers. You sell poison to young people and others....You push poison and you die. If a drug dealer got your little sister hooked on heroin you would want that dealer tried and executed. You libertarians live in your own little make believe worlds of open borders and open drug selling where all drugs are legalized


23 posted on 06/03/2011 6:51:58 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw

Yes, I know. You wouldn’t hesitate to see the remnants of the Constitution shredded and flushed away, all in the name of your obsession.

I have troubled myself to read up on the REAL history of the war on some drugs, and its origins would suit you well: utter and total control over the lives of others. And the scumbags in charge weren’t shy about it: the ______ race uses _______ and then wants to have sex with white women. You use kids. Parents who raise there kids right will have naught to fear. The other sort? Their kids would be little different from what we see today, except that drug turf wars would no longer be extant.

As for borders, I am more inclined than you, from my read of your blather, to want our borders secure, as a simple read of my stance would tell you.


24 posted on 06/03/2011 1:55:03 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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To: dcwusmc

Drug use and violence often go hand in hand. Run a small business in the real world and get back to me.


25 posted on 06/03/2011 5:46:03 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Only because of the unconstitutional and unconscionable drug laws. And for NO OTHER reason.


26 posted on 06/03/2011 8:16:50 PM PDT by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE)
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