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VA Pastor Told to Remove Jesus' Name at Memorial Service or Else be Banned
Pundit Press ^ | 5/31/11 | Aurelius

Posted on 05/31/2011 9:59:18 AM PDT by rightistight

Pastor Scott Rainey planned to deliver a prayer at a Memorial Day ceremony yesterday. There was only one problem: that prayer mentioned Jesus.

To the vast majority of Americans, saying the name Jesus during a prayer would not only be all right, but almost required. However, the Dept. of Veterans Affairs and the Houston National Cemetery, and cemetery director Arleen Ocasio, found the name offensive and moved quickly.

“Our national cemeteries are places for all veterans of all beliefs,” Ocasio wrote in a letter to Mr. Rainey. “We cannot be exclusive at a ceremony meant to be inclusive for all our nation’s veterans.” She added that he had to remove the name of Jesus, "or he would not be allowed to pray."

She wrote in reference to the last line of Rainey's prayer: “in the name of Jesus Christ, the risen Lord.”

Rainey was shocked by the letter and Ocasio's demands. “I have never said a prayer in my life where I didn’t end it by saying ‘in the name of Jesus Christ, I pray, amen,’” he stated.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: politicallycorrect

1 posted on 05/31/2011 9:59:20 AM PDT by rightistight
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To: rightistight

The time is not far that we’ll have to simply ignore our own government in order to hold memorial services.

‘Twould be a slight thought that perhaps we should ban government employees from these services. Military - yes.
Civilian government - NO, H*LL no.


2 posted on 05/31/2011 10:03:15 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rightistight

PC at work. It will kill all of us.


3 posted on 05/31/2011 10:03:22 AM PDT by mathluv ( Conservative first and foremost, republican second - GO SARAHCUDA!!!!)
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To: Da Coyote

Whoops, I’ve pulled a Stupid Obama-ism. I choose to ban government types from our ceremonies, not any of our military.

And, specific bans to the cretin-in-chief, the smegma-lipped cheese bag joke of a president.


4 posted on 05/31/2011 10:04:33 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rightistight
The person who issued this edict is a bigoted fascist. What part of "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" does this bigoted fascist not understand?

I have a strong feeling that if there was a non-Christian rite taking place, no such edict would have been issued.

5 posted on 05/31/2011 10:05:47 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: rightistight

The world hates the name of Jesus


6 posted on 05/31/2011 10:08:20 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: rightistight

There was a time when I might have agreed with the pastor, but my Jewish friends are obviously influencing me. I’m more aware of how exclusive Christian prayers seem to Jews, and I’ve seen a lot of stars in Arlington. Not all of those white headstones have crosses on them.


7 posted on 05/31/2011 10:08:29 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Da Coyote
The time is not far that we’ll have to simply ignore our own government in order to hold memorial services.

As Christians we suffer no moral loss for ignoring government rules which go against the Law of God.

I can't help but notice the "oh if you don't like it don't participate" axiom of the left never seems to apply to us.

8 posted on 05/31/2011 10:09:02 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: rightistight

Wait...was not Jesus Jewish?! And was he not a prophet of Islam? By my count, that covers 3 religions. So what’s the problem!?


9 posted on 05/31/2011 10:10:29 AM PDT by mkboyce
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To: rightistight

Wait...was not Jesus Jewish?! And was he not a prophet of Islam? By my count, that covers 3 religions. So what’s the problem!?


10 posted on 05/31/2011 10:10:32 AM PDT by mkboyce
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To: rightistight

The Pastor, then, has been instructed to make a choice : be found acceptable in the eyes of the Creator, or be found acceptable in the eyes of sinful men. It's not really a choice at all, is it. Especially so for a man bearing the title "Pastor". The Good Lord will give Arleen Ocasio His own talking-to when the time is right. From now until then, either ignore her or tell her to go lay by her dish.


11 posted on 05/31/2011 10:10:59 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: rightistight

“Our national cemeteries are places for all veterans of all beliefs,” Ocasio wrote in a letter to Mr. Rainey. “We cannot be exclusive at a ceremony meant to be inclusive for all our nation’s veterans.” She added that he had to remove the name of Jesus, “or he would not be allowed to pray.”

Do it anyway. Do not deny Him before man.


12 posted on 05/31/2011 10:11:30 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: rightistight

He should be happy to be banned.

To be a Christian is to be persecuted.


13 posted on 05/31/2011 10:13:58 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: rightistight

There is POWER in that name!


14 posted on 05/31/2011 10:14:04 AM PDT by right way right
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To: Melas
There was a time when I might have agreed with the pastor, but my Jewish friends are obviously influencing me. I’m more aware of how exclusive Christian prayers seem to Jews, and I’ve seen a lot of stars in Arlington. Not all of those white headstones have crosses on them.

Then there should not have been a prayer at all. A Christian pastor should never be asked to pray to any deity other than the one he believes in. If they want to accommodate all faiths, they should invite a rabbi, imam, etc. The idea that the pastor should pray to "God", and that the "God" is supposed to represent the Triune Christian God, Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu, et al, is ludicrous.

15 posted on 05/31/2011 10:15:47 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Melas

Yeah, but America is a Christian nation. If Jews don’t like that FACT, they can move to Israel. My guess is many of them enjoy the liberties that only a Christian people would allow, based on the beliefs of Christian founders.


16 posted on 05/31/2011 10:15:48 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: right way right

INDEED!


17 posted on 05/31/2011 10:16:00 AM PDT by ConservativeChris
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To: rightistight

Matthew 10:33 (New International Version)

33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.


19 posted on 05/31/2011 10:24:29 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Melas

We had a Rabbi do the Invocation at our ceremony yesterday. He prayed in Hebrew. I bet there were six people including this Knight of Columbus who knew what the words meant. I would not call on him to be banned.


20 posted on 05/31/2011 10:25:56 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: rightistight

Everyone needs a rabbi, like Rabbi Joshua (aka Jesus), and that includes Mrs. Ocasio.


21 posted on 05/31/2011 10:26:39 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: rightistight

Rest of the story, May 27:
A federal judge ruled Thursday that the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs can’t keep a pastor from saying “Jesus Christ” in a Memorial Day prayer at Houston National Cemetery, The Houston Chronicle reports . “The government cannot gag citizens when it says it is in the interest of national security, and it cannot do it in some bureaucrat’s notion of cultural homogeneity,” U.S

http://spacecoastsentinel.com/tag/arleen-ocasio/


22 posted on 05/31/2011 10:30:27 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Melas

Did your Jewish friends vote for Obama? How do they like him now that he’s totally sold out Israel?


23 posted on 05/31/2011 10:32:40 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ozzymandus

Actually no, they did not, so I can’t even answer the second part of your question. The only folks I know personally who voted for Obama, are WASP women, for what’s it worth.


24 posted on 05/31/2011 10:37:14 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: La Lydia

bump


25 posted on 05/31/2011 10:49:37 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Sans-Culotte

You have it right.

If I go to a ceremony, and there is a wicca officiant there, and they make some reference to wicca, that’s my problem, not theirs. This is who they are and what they do.

I grew up in a Jewish area. In school we never had problems with Christian or jewish things. We sang a religious Christmas carol for the winter concert and a hanukah song. I think kids are stunted when all reference to peoples religion is taken out.

Suddenly diversity isn’t supposed to be diverse?


26 posted on 05/31/2011 10:51:00 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: rightistight

Do those jerks want the prayer replaced with an all inclusive and non offensive form letter?


27 posted on 05/31/2011 10:52:55 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Those who trade land for peace will end up with neither one.)
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To: rightistight
“We cannot be exclusive at a ceremony meant to be inclusive for all our nation’s veterans.” She added that he had to remove the name of Jesus, "or he would not be allowed to pray."

She forgets who the audience of the prayer. By removing Christ from the prayer, the audience no longer hears her prayer, but instead it becomes a vain mumbling, excluding all who think the prayer from being heard by God.

28 posted on 05/31/2011 10:53:09 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Melas

I’ll bet that over 98% of the headstones have crosses. Moreover, in my experience religious Jews, who are a small minority of Jews, don’t much mind. The secular Jews are usually th eones who are upset. Let them be upset.


29 posted on 05/31/2011 10:54:20 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: rightistight

Glad sanity prevailed (post 22), but their will come a time when speaking the name of Jesus will get you beheaded or stoned, just as it did in ancient times.

As for this situation, don’t ask a Pastor to speak if you don’t want him to mention Jesus. Ask a Unitarian... I’ve heard they pray “to whom it may concern”!


30 posted on 05/31/2011 11:00:33 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: achilles2000
Moreover, in my experience religious Jews, who are a small minority of Jews, don’t much mind.

Our experiences differ markedly.

31 posted on 05/31/2011 11:04:59 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
There was a time when I might have agreed with the pastor, but my Jewish friends are obviously influencing me. I’m more aware of how exclusive Christian prayers seem to Jews, and I’ve seen a lot of stars in Arlington. Not all of those white headstones have crosses on them.

Have a Rabbi say a Jewish prayer in addition to the Christian pastor saying the Christian prayer.

Christians must pray to God in the name of Jesus Christ. To purposely eliminate a phrase regarding praying in the name of Jesus is to deny Christ, the reward for which is eternal damnation.
32 posted on 05/31/2011 11:05:53 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I have a hunch that most folks have few problems with a generic prayer. I’ve seen about a million at different events, and it never seemed to me like the crowd was getting agitated.


33 posted on 05/31/2011 11:11:40 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Then again, I might just be a poor Christian, since I’ve prayed at the temple on the invitation of a Jewish friend.


34 posted on 05/31/2011 11:12:37 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas

>>I have a hunch that most folks have few problems with a generic prayer. I’ve seen about a million at different events, and it never seemed to me like the crowd was getting agitated.<<

No, if you pray a watered-down prayer to a non-specific deity that “everyone can agree on,” then you have prayed to nothing. Of course no one will be offended. This is known as the Football Game God, the one people bow their heads and pretend to pray to before a football game.

Very politically correct and non-offensive.

However, most of us are sick to death with all the PC crap being shoved down our throat, and having our rights squelched by self-appointed tyrants such as mentioned in the article.

Feel free to roll over and take it. The rest of us won’t.


35 posted on 05/31/2011 11:40:22 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
Feel free to roll over and take it. The rest of us won’t.

In order for me to "Roll over and take it." I'd have to first be offended, and I'm not offended.

However, most of us are...

I'll stop you right there. I don't believe that you're speaking for most.

36 posted on 05/31/2011 11:48:00 AM PDT by Melas (Sent via Galaxy Tab)
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To: Melas
I have a hunch that most folks have few problems with a generic prayer.

If one is praying to God... whether other folks find one's prayer acceptable is really moot, right ? Whether God finds one's prayer acceptable, that's the big question.

Because if God finds one's praying unacceptable, one could pray all day every day of one's life and still wind up in the same place eventually as if one had never prayed at all.

Then so many "professing" Christians will respond to that with all sorts of "how does anyone know what's acceptable", etc., etc., which really demonstrates that they don't know the answers to such questions as why and how to pray. Which means they are not basing their understanding of God on the the revealed word of God, the Bible. They have simply been exposed to the Christian faith, but the Holy Spirit has not moved them to study and understand the Bible.

If we only believe in God as a set of holidays and not even caring to read the Bible to find out which commandments of God we are breaking, how he wants us to live, etc., then are we not living in direct opposition to him, making up a religion in our own mind ? That sounds like mockery, insult, IMHO, since we know about the Bible, yet refuse to take the time to study and then live it.
37 posted on 05/31/2011 11:48:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: rightistight

Don’t let the idiots screen your speech!
If they insist, ask them which Gestapo address to send it to?


38 posted on 05/31/2011 11:48:19 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: right way right
Amen!

Philippians 2:9-11

"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Acts 4:12

"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

39 posted on 05/31/2011 12:04:37 PM PDT by 444Flyer ("...Rather the scorned- the rejected -the men hemmed in with the spears..." from 'A Consecration')
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To: rightistight
Only those who obey the master become the salve.
40 posted on 05/31/2011 12:11:03 PM PDT by Niteranger68 (Jared Lee Loughner - Disciple of Michael Moore)
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To: Melas

No, in order for you to “roll over and take it” you have cave in to the PC Police and leave Jesus out of the prayer, for fear of offending someone.

Which you have already said you would do.

So, feel free to roll over and take it. MANY OF US will not. And I would say, probably most on this thread.


41 posted on 05/31/2011 12:49:12 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Dear Lord, Please judge Barack Hussein Obama for betraying Israel, and not the whole nation. Amen.)
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