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From Seasonal Libertarianism To Long-Term Welfare
Weekend Libertarian ^ | June 1, 2011 | B.P. Terpstra

Posted on 05/31/2011 8:27:46 PM PDT by AustralianConservative

Happy with high taxes America? Thank an unwed single mother! From The Heritage Foundation:

In fact, roughly 75 percent of all families on welfare are single-parent families. With the number of unwed births skyrocketing over the last five decades (more than 40 percent of births in the United States today are to single moms), the cost of federal welfare has mushroomed. Currently, Washington operates more than 70 welfare programs at a cost edging toward $1 trillion annually.

Yet poverty and government dependence aren’t the only problems connected to single-parent families. Children raised without fathers are at greater risk for a host of negative outcomes, such as poorer social and emotional behavior, delinquency, and lower academic outcomes.

Thank the Soros-backed Cato Institute too. Conservatives did warn libertarians. Realists know the deal: Support adults-fist libertarianism - lose your financial liberty.

Ignore Rome? In reality, seasonal libertarians who undermine the importance of rearing children in marriage are promoting government dependence. Why should churches and taxpayers be pressured to cover the costs, when think tank theologians disappear?

There’s also a problem when a society places Libertarianism over Responsibilitarianism. Balance is lost, when liberty becomes a $1 trillion chain.

(Excerpt) Read more at weekendlibertarian.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: blogpimp; dependence; kochbrothers; singlemothers; singleparentfamilies; soros; taxation; unwedmothers; welfare
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1 posted on 05/31/2011 8:27:49 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Obviously a growth industry fueled by government money. Who said the government was always a drag on industry?


2 posted on 05/31/2011 8:36:45 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: AustralianConservative
For some reason the blogger who writes this stuff likes to use the word "Libertarianism" over and over again, even though it has nothing to do with what he is saying.

Minor detail - libertarians don't believe in welfare payments except in the most extreme instances, and certainly not for unwed mothers.

3 posted on 05/31/2011 8:38:43 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: AustralianConservative

The author is an idiot who hasn’t the slightest clue about what libertarianism is.


4 posted on 05/31/2011 8:39:06 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: AustralianConservative

Takes two to create a child. Takes two to raise/support a child. The AWOL parent is more to blame for that child costing others to support. At least the parent that stuck around is doing something to hold up his/her end.


5 posted on 05/31/2011 8:40:19 PM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: AustralianConservative
Support adults-fist

Here's another reason the author is an idiot. He or she depends upon spell check instead of actually reading their own words.

6 posted on 05/31/2011 8:40:48 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lorianne
Takes two to create a child. Takes two to raise/support a child. The AWOL parent is more to blame for that child costing others to support. At least the parent that stuck around is doing something to hold up his/her end.

EXACTLY!!! That needs to be repeated!!!

On another note, I firmly believe the number one problem with any and all social services is illegal aliens that should not be here to begin with. I know MANY single parent mothers and all of them that I know are all working and struggling to survive without social services. Not all single mothers are on the dole- many fathers have opted out of fathership but not all single mothers are draining the system because of it. I know that many single mothers are on social services- but most of them have relatives that have paid into the system for many years- that is not usually the case with illegals. Many illegals send their money to Mexico to relatives that are not paying into the system, while collecting many benefits here.

We do have deadbeat citizens that exist on the dole when they likely could get off their backside and go to work. We have always had them- and our system wasn't this messed up because of them. I absolutely believe illegals have overwhelmed our social services, our educational system, our judicial system- courts/jails. I believe illegals are the elephant in the room for all these major issues. When the border is secure and large numbers of illegals are deported then I will complain about citizens that abuse the system. Until we go after the worst offenders- illegals then I will not believe we are serious about these issues.

7 posted on 05/31/2011 9:02:20 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: freeandfreezing

Exactly. Libertarians I know would see that “almost $1T welfare” figure and immediately drop it from the budget as a no-brainer and call it “an excellent START.” While libertarians would say raising a child alone is the parent’s right, NONE would suggest the taxpayers pay for it.


8 posted on 05/31/2011 9:14:41 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (There's a reason the mascot of the Democratic Party is a jackass.)
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To: AustralianConservative

“Soros-backed Cato Institute”????

LOL. The Cato Institute was founded by Charles Koch and Ed Crane. Soros didn’t have a thing to do with it other than speak at a Hayek event there a while back. Soros was invited to speak there because he attended the London School of Economics when Hayek and Popper taught there. Even though both Cato and Soros knew they were intellectually opposed, Soros was a good speaker selection because he could represent the view of the opposition. That’s what happens in a real debate: opponents present their arguments. The so-called “weekend libertarian” offers an exceptionally lame argument: he does not even understand the libertarianism well enough to oppose it. (At least Soros is smart enough to create a decent libertarian straw man for his argument. The author of this article could not even manage to describe the faintest resemblence to libertarianism.)

Fact is, the writer does not understand libertarianism, or perhaps he does, and is trying to create a misimpression about libertarianism among the conservatives at FR.

Bearing in mind that the Kochs — the same libertarian Kochs that liberals love to hate — founded the Cato Institute, consider the following or the distinction between the practical politics of the Kochs and Soros.

Individual donations to federal candidates, parties and political action committees (1989 to 2010)

Koch Brothers: $2.58 million
George Soros: $1.74 million

David Koch: $2,224,170
•$667,500 – National Republican Congressional Committee
•$555,000 – Republican National Committee
•$191,400 – National Republican Senatorial Committee

Charles G. Koch: $363,100
•$58,900 – National Republican Senatorial Committee
•$50,000 – Republican National Committee

George Soros: $1,748,627
•$252,670 – Democratic National Committee
•$147,216 – Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee
•$259,716 – Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee

David Koch’s Favorite congressional members:
$17,100 – Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.)
$7,600 – Elizabeth Dole (R-N.C.)
$7,200 – Mark Foley (R-Fla.)
$6,600 – James Inhofe (R-Okla.)
$5,000 – Sam Brownback (R-Kan.)

George Soros’ favorite congressional members:
$6,500 – Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.)
$6,200 – Jon Cranley (D-Ohio)
$6,000 – Ken Salazar (D-Colo.)
$6,000 – Dan Maffei (D-N.Y.)
$5,500 – Tom Perriello (D-Va.)


9 posted on 05/31/2011 9:53:57 PM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: freeandfreezing

In theory professional libertarians are against welfare, in reality they promote it through their actions. Open borders – a pathway to welfare. Encouraging youth to have sex knowing full well they can’t support themselves. Pretending that drugs don’t create dependent citizens. And so on.


10 posted on 06/01/2011 6:38:25 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: Lorianne

I’ve never bought the two wrongs make a right argument. Nevertheless, this argument ignores the fact that many women have children and kick the father out too. Or love sperm banks.


11 posted on 06/01/2011 6:40:25 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: Skepolitic

Soros has given thousands to CATO, period. So CATO is backed by him. I wonder why.


12 posted on 06/01/2011 6:42:52 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Now there’s an exercies in socialism - you’re responsible for the consequences of anything you didn’t prevent someone else from doing. Nice.


13 posted on 06/01/2011 6:44:19 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Kellis91789

That’s true – libertarians say they would cut all welfare taxes (in their theoretical world). In the real world, where real people live, taxes will continue to rise where there is unwed mother promiscuity, period.

So is it a wise to look the other way? Why are libertarians so silent on this issue? I wish they were as LOUD about marijuana rights as they were about responsibility. (Read Ann Coulter’s Guilty for the long version.)


14 posted on 06/01/2011 6:50:05 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: tacticalogic

In point of fact, professional libertarians have undermined borders for years, and encouraged the anchor baby movement. They have supported laws to damage the institution of marriage and so on. Next they’ll be using the Nuremberg defense and say their leaders encouraged them. Ann Coulter was right.


15 posted on 06/01/2011 6:55:50 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

In point of fact, libertarianism is not a profession.


16 posted on 06/01/2011 6:58:05 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: AustralianConservative

How many women who can afford sperm banks are on welfare?

A child need 2 parents to thrive. Why are we demonizing the parent who is THERE, the one who has not absconded?

There would be far fewer kids on welfare if both parents contributed to both the raising and the financial support of their own offspring. The parent who is AWOL is more the problem than the parent who is there.


17 posted on 06/01/2011 8:09:20 AM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: Lorianne

True but if we discontinued subsidizing unwed parenthood, we’d have a lot less of it.

What other “job” can one get that pays more the more kids you have? Those of us who actually earn a living have to “make do” when we CHOOSE to add to our family.

And every single child is a CHOICE which comes from voluntarily engaging in the behavior that results in a child.


18 posted on 06/01/2011 8:13:06 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: GatorGirl

A choice is made by both parties when they engage in sex.
The party that skips out entirely on his/her responsibility is more at fault (both to the child’s detriment and the taxpayer) than the party that sticks around.


19 posted on 06/01/2011 8:32:55 AM PDT by Lorianne (o)
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To: AustralianConservative

“Soros has given thousands to CATO, period.”

1.) DiscoverTheNetworks.org does not indicate any Soros support of Cato. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237
Cato’s left-wing critics do not indicate Soros support of Cato. http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/cato-institute

But, you did say it was “thousands”? Wow! Even though the amount is trivial, can you supply a citation for that?

2.) For all those “thousands”, Soros did not get much love from Cato. Consider this clip from a Cato article:

“Have you ever wondered why billionaires like George Soros financially support politicians who say they will ‘increase taxes on the rich’? The answer quite simply is that the tax increases are most often put on people trying to become rich, not those already rich. ... The hypocrisy of George Soros is often noted. He is a man who voices many left-wing and even socialist ideas and has been a major critic of the United States for years. Yet, his actions in his own financial interest, using highly questionable tactics and insider information, have made him billions. His modus operandi is to do political favors for left-wing politicians and then use them for his own advantage. ...

when people like George Soros and other big financial backers of politicians use confidential inside information or their ability to manipulate the political class for their own ends, it hurts everyone else. The larger the government and the more discretion government officials have regarding issues that can damage or benefit private parties, the more opportunities there will be for abuse and corruption.”

Those are the words of a sycophantic recipient of Open Society money. It should be obvious that Soros has no influence at Cato.


20 posted on 06/01/2011 8:40:52 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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