Skip to comments.Judge Intervenes to Prevent Homeschooled Catholic Children from Getting Hooked on Phonics
Posted on 06/09/2011 6:13:55 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
Four children ages 9, 7, 5 and 3 from a homeschooling Catholic family in Notre-Dame-des-Bois in Québec, Canada have been ordered into public school for socialization and non-phonics reading instruction. As Lydia McGrew explains:
This case from Canada, which one would like to think couldnt happen in the U.S., is a fairly egregious example of judicial micromanagement: Judge Nicole Bernier (it would be a female judge!) ordered four children from a home schooling family into school and, in the case of children too young for school (down to age 3), into daycare so as to get what Judge Bernier calls socialization. To add injury to injury, Bernier wants the children to go to public school so that they will be taught to read (or, as the case may be, not taught to read) by non-phonics methods!
Now, this is crazy. The parents have not been accused of abusing or neglecting their children. Judge B. (by whatever ill fate she was brought into these innocent peoples lives) is just having a grand old time throwing around her weight and forcing them to raise their children as Judge B. would, presumably, raise her children. The notion of any sort of familial independence to make judgment calls about education is nowhere in the picture. (For the record, while I am a staunch advocate of phonics, I would consider laughable and pernicious the suggestion that some judge should interfere if parents were caught teaching their children to read by a look-say method.)
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What that Leftist tyrant in a black robe really wants is to have them Socialized with Socialism.
Indeed, our Canadian neighbors are going through the same struggles with Political Correctness as we are.
leftism / liberal fascism is NOT mere “political correctness”. These terms are not interchangeable.
On the other hand, I have seen children educated with both phonics and with look-say.
Phonics is a guide to decoding what the words are saying to you. Look-say doesn't work at all with kids who have no understanding of what those words are supposed to mean. If you've been taught phonics, you can figure out what a word sounds like without knowing what it means, and that has some distinct value in conversing with others later on. Look-say can leave you flat with new words. Relying on that method alone rather cuts the brain off at the frontal cerebral cortex.
Judge Nicole Bernier sounds terribly ignorant. I didn't know that Canada allowed people like that on the bench. She'd be much better off on one of those fascistic human rights panels.
Socialization? ...Let's call it what it is: Indoctrination.
The socialization that schools provide has been known to cause psychiatric problems that take years to recover from. Some former students never recover.
Children learn prison survival socialization in these institutions. Nearly all of these dysfunctional coping habits must absolutely be unlearned if they are to be successful in life.
Thankfully, humans are resilient and most move on to form health relationships with marriage, family, friends, neighbors, and co-workers. Sadly, some do not. We all know a few. :-(
That Judge sounds like a nut job. It looks like she gave bogus reasons to force the kids to go to school. I wonder if the family can personally sue this Judge?
Of course not - no one can personally sue a judge based on their rulings - are you kidding me? Voting the judge out of office is their only recourse, unless they move to another jurisdiction.
It’s a shame the “Report Abuse” button right below your post doesn’t work outside of the forum. Because sending kids to public school is a form of child abuse.
People like this judge repeat over and over that children won’t learn “socialization” unless they go to public school. Yet I’ve never seen anyone make a good argument as to what is the supposed benefit of all that “socialization.” Is there any empirical data that supports the claims made for its value?
Personally, I don’t see the benefit of shoving kids into an environment where bullying runs rampant. But maybe that’s just me.
“sending kids to public school is a form of child abuse.”
Yes it is. Many of them have hangups years after leaving.
They prefer to Reach Across the Aisle®, My Friend™.
Interestingly enough, the parents who were upset enough to demand a meeting with my husband when they found out we were going to homeschool were all outspoken conservatives. Funny how the idea of government controlling their healthcare had them up in arms; but the thought of anyone pulling children from government school was extremely offensive to them.
Let’s face it, we all know this is about neither “socialization” nor phonics. Canadadian voters teach what they tolerate.
Here in the U.S. we overthrew our British government over less egregious sh!t than this.
I'm thinking they didn't find it "offensive" that you and your husband pulled your kids from government-run schools, but that they felt like a bunch of dupes who had been conned all their lives about government-run schools. Sort of like the "crabs in a bucket" syndrome, if you know what I mean.
I am amazed at how so many people pour themselves into their children's school through involvement in athletic booster clubs and other activities. Their lives seem to be centered around our local school.
Hooked on Socialism.
The phonetic properties of the letters is what distinguishes our written language from, say, Chinese, with tens of thousands of characters to memorize.
Ignoring this property effectively doubles the effort required to learn both the spoken and written language. My grandson learned the phonetic values of the letters before learning the actual names of the letters.
People get angry, but never seem to ask what does he know about the school that I don’t?
Phonics is by far the best way to learn to read. I was lucky enough to have an old-school first grade teacher who taught phonics. I learned to read in a week (literally) and by the next year was reading chapter books on my own. My older brother was unlucky enough to land in a look-say first grade classroom, and didn’t get up to grade-level reading until about 4th grade. And he was never much interested in school, largely because of his early experiences.
My 4 y.o. twins are interested in words now, and I am starting to teach them (informally — they are only 4, after all!) how to sound out words. They are constantly running around here sounding out everything they can find. I am sure they will be proficient readers in a couple of years.
Pnonics really is the only way to teach reading!
Political Correctness is, ironically, the politically correct term for "Cultural Marxism".
So, indeed, they've made fascism sound "nice" by using a different term, but if you think they're functionally different, we'll have to disagree.
If the “good guys” don’t realize soon that the “bad guys” want to EXTERMINATE us and act accordingly,
I’m afraid the bad guys are going to succeed.
There’s always “Henry Bowman, pick up the white courtesy phone, your hogs are hungry.”
When there is no other recourse, the fascists bring certain things upon themselves.
I read a stat in some homeschool publication that said that of all professions, “public educators” had the highest rate of homeschooling.
Who wants socialist kids?
Is that allowed?
Reaching across the aisle to leftists is fine, as long as you're holding a flamethrower.
When I was 3 or 4, I was riding with my mom in the car, and I said something about a Conoco station. Maybe she had said she needed gas or something. She asked how I new it was a Conoco station, and I said "Well, it says C-O-N-O-C-O. That spells 'Conoco', doesnt' it?"
I don't think it sounds "nice" at all. In fact, my usual statement is that if it were the normal actually-factually form of correctness, they wouldn't need the extra word, so then it must NOT be correct.
The Progressives who are running our public schools, know that if you cant read you are easily controlled. Whole language/ Sight and Say has created a nation of functional illiterates. PHONICS is their enemy so they constantly seek to abolish its use because they know it produces readers.
You know what's more boring than watching paint dry? It's being 6 or 7 in a reading class and you already know how to read everything.
Sounds strange, but it's more than pictures ~ it's threads and trends ~ and the written language does not always mean exactly the same thing in one spoken language as it does another ~ usually because of idiomatic expressions ~ which are usually going to be different in each language.
In phonics you learn what "to", "too", and "two" mean in the same manner. In Look/Say you never really learn why they should be different ~ like growing up and every year they cut off a finger until you can't feel anything. Must be a horrible experience to be both genetically deficient and then get crippled by your teachers.
It was bad enough in my day (our day?), when the pace was set to accomodate the average student. Today I believe they attempt to set the pace for "no child left behind", but they do it at the expense of practically everybody else.
We campaigned to have our youngest put into first grade but were assured by the staff that such a move was rarely justified. Six weeks into the term we got a call that they were going to move her up because it was disrupting to the class to have her reading stories to the other children during breaks.
Our response was, "Really? Well if you think it best."
That seems true, Clintonfatigued.
What do you think TC?
I think Canada’s public schools started their educational decline later than the United States’s, and the operation of faith-based schools within the government system, as in Britain, helped to keep morally-solid public education available.
Now, the leftists are really pushing the radical agenda on all the schools, and cutting back on academic rigor. This is what drives the birth of a homeschooling movement. In the US, it’s been going on since the 1980s, and homeschoolers from the US are working with families in other countries to help establish a legal foundation for home education.
On the international front, things could go either way - toward more freedom, or toward a major crackdown. The UN is very opposed to home education: they want the One World drones programmed from birth, if they’re allowed to survive that long.