Skip to comments.Emergency Preparedness….Top Post-Collapse Barter Items And Trade Skills
Posted on 06/11/2011 3:46:44 PM PDT by Kartographer
In todays modern globalist economy, we have relied upon centralized and highly manipulated trade, forced interdependency, senseless and undisciplined consumption, endless debt creation, welfare addiction, and the erosion of quality, as a means to sustain a system that ultimately is DESIGNED to erode our freedoms not to mention our ability to effectively take care of ourselves. We have been infantized by our financial environment. In the near future, those who wish to live beyond a meager staple of government handouts (if any are even given) will be required to make a 180 degree reversal from their current lifestyle of dependency and immediate gratification towards one of self sufficiency, personal entrepreneurship, quality trade, and a mindset of necessity, rather than unfounded excess.
This means that each and every one of us will not only be driven to form barter networks outside the designated confines of the mainstream, we will have to become active producers within those networks. Each and every one of us will need to discover practical goods and skills that will be in high demand regardless of economic conditions. Being that our society has all but forgotten how this kind of trade works, lets examine a short list of items as well as proficiencies that are sure to be highly sought after as the collapse progresses
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So we are preparing for Beyond Thunderdome?
I have provisions in case of a disaster (tornado, earthquake), certainly.
I can’t picture a scenario that would require seeds.
The list above and more is avaiable in my Preparedness Manual which you can downloard at:
If you havent already its time to prepare. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.
I think that we are at the very least in for a collapse much like that of Argentinas ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index), but as a armed society with a very large entitlement minded population our collapse will be much more violent and I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and large scale violence (look at what happened just this past Memorial Day weekend)and then there is this is going on in Chicago:Emanuel said he spoke with McCarthy over the weekend and again this morning about the situation. The mayor said the citys reputation as a safe place to work and shop downtown is being endangered by the thuggery. Many of the attacks are happening near the biggest tourist and shopping attractions in the city.
But, CBS 2s Jim Williams reports, the problem of mob attacks downtown is much bigger than the weekend beatings, according to beat cops who wanted to remain anonymous.
And its not just Chicago most major big Blue cities are increasingly reporting such flash mobs and gang muggings.
I see what I call Pocket Pogroms taking place in many big Blue cities and if you arent a 0bamamites yute its going to get Reginald Denny bad for you very quickly.
As the LDS say When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.
Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3
And a little something for those who do not believe:
“Chance favors the prepared mind.”-Louis Pasteur
What’s with all the “barter” discussion.
Roll out tariffs and buy American goods. America will keep jobs, and we’ll keep our money here.
No need to barter. We’ll just return to self sufficiency.
Let China barter.
Ask you elders how many depended on their gardens to feed them through the depression.
Plenty of barting was done during the great depression and there wasn’t any China goods back then.
You need to talk to your elders and learn from them.
“Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchhill
Well, that about covers everything anyway.
What’s left on the list that we don’t have?
I do note that sewing supplies and a good sewing machine are not listed. Or at least, I didn’t see them.
>>Ask you elders how many depended on their gardens to feed them through the depression.<<
Not very practical. Your list is more like a post-apocalyptic list. We have survived WW IV, we will still have grocery stores during this bad spot.
A garden gives great-tasting fresh produce and saves a few bucks but today isn’t really a dependable source of food.
The great depression was because America went from a producing nation to a not producing as much nation.
We already are now a non-producing nation. Any change will mean more jobs. Not less.
As I said for many a family during the great Depression their garden was the difference that allowed them to put something on the table everyday.
>>Plenty of barting was done during the great depression and there wasnt any China goods back then.
You need to talk to your elders and learn from them.
Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it. Winston Churchhill<<
This isn’t then. A garden and some D batteries will get you through a few months (depending on the season). Other than that it just makes you feel good for being “prepared.”
BTW: Your list is great for places that might get hit with natural disasters. Other than the seeds and other transient stuff I have all the rest, having survived the Northridge quake.
What, no bottle caps? Nuke cola? Geiger counters, maps or bobble heads?
>>As I said for many a family during the great Depression their garden was the difference that allowed them to put something on the table everyday.<<
In the summer or winter? In any area not in the US Southwest? I think not.
>>What, no bottle caps? Nuke cola? Geiger counters, maps or bobble heads?<<
A “Pong” game is must have!
Do you thinj that it will happen overnight and where will the moeny come from the build all the factories for these new jobs? We are broke.
It might happen just as you say, but it won’t happen over night and you will have to make do until it does.
Let’s start. Commence the trade war.
Have you never heard of canning?
I have the feeling you just want someone to argue with. Are you having a boring or bad day?
Oh, good grief. Stop sounding like such a helpless urbanite. Have you never heard of preserving food? Canning? Smoking? Salt or sugar curing? Root cellars?
Yes, they grew what they ate and grew enough to tide themsleves and their families over the winter. For crying out loud, there wasn’t always a Safeway. You need to get out more.
>>I have the feeling you just want someone to argue with. Are you having a boring or bad day?<<
Let’s face it, if we have to rely on back yard gardens we are so screwed that it doesn’t matter we have been able to create an enclave for our family.
Your list will last a few months at best — it won’t get you through a financial disaster as big as you posit.
That is reality.
Well yes. Maybe the soon the better, but either way it will not happen overnight. Many many things aren’t produced here in the US at all any more and many of the skills will have to be relearned. If we banned imports of shoes most Americans would be barefoot in a year and how many shoe factories are left in the US? Other than a few small specialty manufacturers none that I know of so how much would that extra pair of shoes someone put up be worth then in such a situation?
>> Commence the trade war.<<
Romulan Ale is huge in the black market.
So your alternative I guess is to just lay down and die. If that works for you....
>>Booze, tobacco, and sugar are the top three trade items in history.<<
Who needs tobacco and sugar?
(yes, I know sugar is what we cook with...)
The problem with all of these lists that I see is the short term emphasis. All of the stuff on that list sounds like the typical weekend rambo stuff.
Here is what people actually need: tools, skills and some raw materials. For example, that list has seeds on it. Ok, what are you going to do with these seeds? Dig them in with a stick? Harvest everything by hand?
Then the list says “pesticides.” That’s nice. Which pesticides? What do these pesticides treat? How do the author(s) intend to apply these pesticides? Most people reading this stuff couldn’t tell the difference between an insecticide and a herbicide, much less know that the most pernicious pest is often some form of mite.
The best investment most people could make is to find and download the USA Field Survival manual, then start efforts to find the Firefox series of books.
One better and older, but I wasn’t born with the right equipment. ;-)
>>So your alternative I guess is to just lay down and die. If that works for you....<<
If it gets to the post-apocalyptic point you suggest, we will all be winging it.
As I said, your list doesn’t even get you past a few months.
In such an environment, you don’t think a need will be somehow met, by someone desperate to support themselves? Cobblers were by and large a very local specialty. Some locales may get lucky and have a skilled one. Others may have to make do with inferior footwear for a while, but they’ll buy or barter for what they need. Others still might be near Old Gringo Boot Company, Carolina Boot Company, any number of shoe manufacturers still in business. You make do.
Garden greens thrive in the Pacific Northwest in the winter. Select seeds produced for your area. And you don’t need to water them once they’re established. And they may attract deer, which are delicious.
After that, you can take what you need.
Not my list the author’s list my work is noted in Post #4
>>The best investment most people could make is to find and download the USA Field Survival manual, then start efforts to find the Firefox series of books.
The Boy Scout handbook is probably one of the best sources of long term survival.
But why plan for a scenario that is so improbable? I just volunteered at a food bank this weekend. There was enough food to feed an army for years. On one day’s donations.
So we hit 15% unemployment (improbable, even with this administration). The infrastructure continues to exist, people continue to buy, donate, transport, etc. The world as we know it is NOT going away, unless “Mars Attacks” or “War of the Worlds” happens.
Who said anything about banning any imports? I sure never have.
I advocate tariffs. Across the board tariffs. Tariffs which make imported goods more expensive, and *encourage* consumers to decide to buy things made, grown or drilled out of the ground right here in America.
If any country reciprocates and we get in one or several trade wars that’s fine. We’ll buy from OTHER countries which do not — or make what we need here.
What we’re doing now is obviously not working. Might as well try another approach.
I pray that we can keep it blow 15%, but unofficially we are almost there and we are just now entering the second dip. And once we do what happens to those that have already been out of work for years?
It might. Or, less might do. Or more. The perceived value would fluctuate with scarcity and plenty. Bumper crop of tomatoes, it’ll take more of them to exchange. People are sneaky that way, they have an innate ability to estimate fair value.
I’m not even out of my forties and can remember the “Rolling Grocery,” a converted box truck that came through the rural areas near my grandparent’s farm. Call in an order, Mr. Wall would bring what you need. He’d also trade if you had something he could sell. He started out in the Great Depression and survived due to barter. He got enough cash to keep the truck on the road and to pay expenses. The other items fed him and his family.
OH well Mom I did what I could.
>>Not my list the authors list my work is noted in Post #4<<
Both lists are short-term. Your post #4 is better reasoned, but just extends short term by a short while.
If someone is concerned about violent flash mobs, one has an option: MOVE. The Chicago experience is merely a sign of what happens when liberalism settles in as a lifestyle. Think NOLA.
I don’t see flash mobs breaking out in Duluth or Fort Worth requiring people to paint signs saying “one gun and an ugly woman.”
Your position, although fun to contemplate in a “Twilight Zone” fantasy, really doesn’t make sense.
But everything on both the OP and your post #4 are good things to have on hand. Disasters can strike anytime and that is what those can help make it through.
Good list! Thanks for sharing it.
Do you have a ping list to which I could be added?
A very good expamle of what I am talking about. I can see that happening, but only in ‘Red’ areas in ‘Blue’ ones he would be flashed mobbed and killed for his tomatoes.
>>I pray that we can keep it blow 15%, but unofficially we are almost there and we are just now entering the second dip. And once we do what happens to those that have already been out of work for years?<<
That is a WHOLE different thread. But with 85% employment, modern USA society will continue to plow ahead.
If I say what I think about people out of work for years people will just get mad at me.
You read my manual fast, speed reader or a rain man?
And unemployment at 33% or 40%?
>>And unemployment at 33% or 40%?<<
Or getting hit by a meteor? Or aliens that look like rhinos attacking?
If this administration, nor carter’s, couldn’t drive employment down that low, it probably won’t happen.
And, as I said, if that DOES happen and we are a 350 million person Haiti, neither the OP nor the ideas in Post #4 will be of any help. Because we will be “Beyond Thunderdome” and any planning is just survivalist paranoia.
>>You read my manual fast, speed reader or a rain man?<<
Well we are already at unoffical unemployment rate of 15%+ so what do you think the next dip is going to bring? I sat at least that many again.
By the way this administration isn’t through yet not by a long shot.
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