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Emergency Preparedness….Top Post-Collapse Barter Items And Trade Skills
randysright.wordpress.com ^ | 6/11/11 | randyedye

Posted on 06/11/2011 3:46:44 PM PDT by Kartographer

In today’s “modern” globalist economy, we have relied upon centralized and highly manipulated trade, forced interdependency, senseless and undisciplined consumption, endless debt creation, welfare addiction, and the erosion of quality, as a means to sustain a system that ultimately is DESIGNED to erode our freedoms not to mention our ability to effectively take care of ourselves. We have been infantized by our financial environment. In the near future, those who wish to live beyond a meager staple of government handouts (if any are even given) will be required to make a 180 degree reversal from their current lifestyle of dependency and immediate gratification towards one of self sufficiency, personal entrepreneurship, quality trade, and a mindset of necessity, rather than unfounded excess.

This means that each and every one of us will not only be driven to form barter networks outside the designated confines of the mainstream, we will have to become active producers within those networks. Each and every one of us will need to discover practical goods and skills that will be in high demand regardless of economic conditions. Being that our society has all but forgotten how this kind of trade works, let’s examine a short list of items as well as proficiencies that are sure to be highly sought after as the collapse progresses…

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Goods List
1. Water Filtration
2. Seeds
3. Fresh Produce
4. Long Shelf Life Foods
5. Food Producing Animals
6. Solar Power
7. Firewood
8. Gasoline And Oil
9. Silver and Gold
10. Firearms And Ammo
11. Body Armor
12. Tazers And Pepper Spray
13. Tools
14. Pesticides
15. Warm Clothing
16. Medicines
17. Toiletries
18. Speciality Items (ie potassium iodide pills, Geiger counters, medical grade mask...)
1 posted on 06/11/2011 3:46:48 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Top One Hundred Things to disapear first when SHTF:

http://theprepared.com/content/view/129/56/


2 posted on 06/11/2011 3:49:59 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

So we are preparing for Beyond Thunderdome?

I have provisions in case of a disaster (tornado, earthquake), certainly.

I can’t picture a scenario that would require seeds.


3 posted on 06/11/2011 3:55:21 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

The list above and more is avaiable in my Preparedness Manual which you can downloard at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

If you haven’t already it’s time to prepare. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

I think that we are at the very least in for a collapse much like that of Argentina’s ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index), but as a armed society with a very large entitlement minded population our collapse will be much more violent and I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and large scale violence (look at what happened just this past Memorial Day weekend)and then there is this is going on in Chicago:”Emanuel said he spoke with McCarthy over the weekend and again this morning about the situation. The mayor said the city’s reputation as a safe place to work and shop downtown is being endangered by the thuggery. Many of the attacks are happening near the biggest tourist and shopping attractions in the city.

But, CBS 2’s Jim Williams reports, the problem of mob attacks downtown is much bigger than the weekend beatings, according to beat cops who wanted to remain anonymous.”

And it’s not just Chicago most major big ‘Blue’ cities are increasingly reporting such flash mobs and gang muggings.

I see what I call ‘Pocket Pogroms’ taking place in many big ‘Blue’ cities and if you aren’t a “0bamamites’ yute” it’s going to get Reginald Denny bad for you very quickly.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

And a little something for those who do not believe:
“Chance favors the prepared mind.”-Louis Pasteur


4 posted on 06/11/2011 3:55:36 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

What’s with all the “barter” discussion.

Roll out tariffs and buy American goods. America will keep jobs, and we’ll keep our money here.

No need to barter. We’ll just return to self sufficiency.

Let China barter.


5 posted on 06/11/2011 3:57:39 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: freedumb2003

Ask you elders how many depended on their gardens to feed them through the depression.


6 posted on 06/11/2011 3:58:25 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; freedumb2003

Plenty of barting was done during the great depression and there wasn’t any China goods back then.

You need to talk to your elders and learn from them.

“Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchhill


7 posted on 06/11/2011 4:03:33 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Well, that about covers everything anyway.

What’s left on the list that we don’t have?

I do note that sewing supplies and a good sewing machine are not listed. Or at least, I didn’t see them.


8 posted on 06/11/2011 4:04:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Kartographer

>>Ask you elders how many depended on their gardens to feed them through the depression.<<

Not very practical. Your list is more like a post-apocalyptic list. We have survived WW IV, we will still have grocery stores during this bad spot.

A garden gives great-tasting fresh produce and saves a few bucks but today isn’t really a dependable source of food.


9 posted on 06/11/2011 4:04:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

Critical difference.

The great depression was because America went from a producing nation to a not producing as much nation.

We already are now a non-producing nation. Any change will mean more jobs. Not less.


10 posted on 06/11/2011 4:06:15 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: freedumb2003

As I said for many a family during the great Depression their garden was the difference that allowed them to put something on the table everyday.


11 posted on 06/11/2011 4:07:55 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

>>Plenty of barting was done during the great depression and there wasn’t any China goods back then.

You need to talk to your elders and learn from them.

“Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it.” Winston Churchhill<<

This isn’t then. A garden and some D batteries will get you through a few months (depending on the season). Other than that it just makes you feel good for being “prepared.”

BTW: Your list is great for places that might get hit with natural disasters. Other than the seeds and other transient stuff I have all the rest, having survived the Northridge quake.


12 posted on 06/11/2011 4:07:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

What, no bottle caps? Nuke cola? Geiger counters, maps or bobble heads?

Cmon!


13 posted on 06/11/2011 4:08:41 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Kartographer

>>As I said for many a family during the great Depression their garden was the difference that allowed them to put something on the table everyday.<<

In the summer or winter? In any area not in the US Southwest? I think not.


14 posted on 06/11/2011 4:09:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Soothesayer9

>>What, no bottle caps? Nuke cola? Geiger counters, maps or bobble heads?<<

A “Pong” game is must have!


15 posted on 06/11/2011 4:10:50 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Do you thinj that it will happen overnight and where will the moeny come from the build all the factories for these new jobs? We are broke.

It might happen just as you say, but it won’t happen over night and you will have to make do until it does.


16 posted on 06/11/2011 4:10:57 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Yes well.

Let’s start. Commence the trade war.


17 posted on 06/11/2011 4:12:07 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: freedumb2003

Have you never heard of canning?

I have the feeling you just want someone to argue with. Are you having a boring or bad day?


18 posted on 06/11/2011 4:12:53 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003

Oh, good grief. Stop sounding like such a helpless urbanite. Have you never heard of preserving food? Canning? Smoking? Salt or sugar curing? Root cellars?

Yes, they grew what they ate and grew enough to tide themsleves and their families over the winter. For crying out loud, there wasn’t always a Safeway. You need to get out more.


19 posted on 06/11/2011 4:14:37 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kartographer
Booze, tobacco, and sugar are the top three trade items in history.

/johnny

20 posted on 06/11/2011 4:16:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

>>I have the feeling you just want someone to argue with. Are you having a boring or bad day?<<

Boring.

Let’s face it, if we have to rely on back yard gardens we are so screwed that it doesn’t matter we have been able to create an enclave for our family.

Your list will last a few months at best — it won’t get you through a financial disaster as big as you posit.

That is reality.


21 posted on 06/11/2011 4:17:42 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Well yes. Maybe the soon the better, but either way it will not happen overnight. Many many things aren’t produced here in the US at all any more and many of the skills will have to be relearned. If we banned imports of shoes most Americans would be barefoot in a year and how many shoe factories are left in the US? Other than a few small specialty manufacturers none that I know of so how much would that extra pair of shoes someone put up be worth then in such a situation?


22 posted on 06/11/2011 4:17:50 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

>> Commence the trade war.<<

Romulan Ale is huge in the black market.


23 posted on 06/11/2011 4:18:53 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

So your alternative I guess is to just lay down and die. If that works for you....


24 posted on 06/11/2011 4:19:32 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JRandomFreeper

>>Booze, tobacco, and sugar are the top three trade items in history.<<

Who needs tobacco and sugar?

;)

(yes, I know sugar is what we cook with...)


25 posted on 06/11/2011 4:20:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

The problem with all of these lists that I see is the short term emphasis. All of the stuff on that list sounds like the typical weekend rambo stuff.

Here is what people actually need: tools, skills and some raw materials. For example, that list has seeds on it. Ok, what are you going to do with these seeds? Dig them in with a stick? Harvest everything by hand?

Then the list says “pesticides.” That’s nice. Which pesticides? What do these pesticides treat? How do the author(s) intend to apply these pesticides? Most people reading this stuff couldn’t tell the difference between an insecticide and a herbicide, much less know that the most pernicious pest is often some form of mite.

The best investment most people could make is to find and download the USA Field Survival manual, then start efforts to find the Firefox series of books.


26 posted on 06/11/2011 4:20:21 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: JRandomFreeper

One better and older, but I wasn’t born with the right equipment. ;-)


27 posted on 06/11/2011 4:20:44 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

>>So your alternative I guess is to just lay down and die. If that works for you....<<

If it gets to the post-apocalyptic point you suggest, we will all be winging it.

As I said, your list doesn’t even get you past a few months.


28 posted on 06/11/2011 4:21:56 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

In such an environment, you don’t think a need will be somehow met, by someone desperate to support themselves? Cobblers were by and large a very local specialty. Some locales may get lucky and have a skilled one. Others may have to make do with inferior footwear for a while, but they’ll buy or barter for what they need. Others still might be near Old Gringo Boot Company, Carolina Boot Company, any number of shoe manufacturers still in business. You make do.


29 posted on 06/11/2011 4:22:22 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: freedumb2003

Garden greens thrive in the Pacific Northwest in the winter. Select seeds produced for your area. And you don’t need to water them once they’re established. And they may attract deer, which are delicious.


30 posted on 06/11/2011 4:22:26 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Kartographer
Well, the looting guide I read agrees that water filtering is the highest priority. Then ammo for you gun.

After that, you can take what you need.

31 posted on 06/11/2011 4:23:00 PM PDT by woofer
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To: freedumb2003

Not my list the author’s list my work is noted in Post #4


32 posted on 06/11/2011 4:23:04 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: RegulatorCountry
"In such an environment, you don’t think a need will be somehow met, by someone desperate to support themselves?"

I do agree and don't you think a bottle of 'Jack' a couple cans of spam and few pounds of beans that you put back could seal the deal?
33 posted on 06/11/2011 4:27:13 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: NVDave; Kartographer

>>The best investment most people could make is to find and download the USA Field Survival manual, then start efforts to find the Firefox series of books.
<<

The Boy Scout handbook is probably one of the best sources of long term survival.

But why plan for a scenario that is so improbable? I just volunteered at a food bank this weekend. There was enough food to feed an army for years. On one day’s donations.

So we hit 15% unemployment (improbable, even with this administration). The infrastructure continues to exist, people continue to buy, donate, transport, etc. The world as we know it is NOT going away, unless “Mars Attacks” or “War of the Worlds” happens.


34 posted on 06/11/2011 4:27:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

Who said anything about banning any imports? I sure never have.

I advocate tariffs. Across the board tariffs. Tariffs which make imported goods more expensive, and *encourage* consumers to decide to buy things made, grown or drilled out of the ground right here in America.

If any country reciprocates and we get in one or several trade wars that’s fine. We’ll buy from OTHER countries which do not — or make what we need here.

What we’re doing now is obviously not working. Might as well try another approach.


35 posted on 06/11/2011 4:30:10 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: freedumb2003

I pray that we can keep it blow 15%, but unofficially we are almost there and we are just now entering the second dip. And once we do what happens to those that have already been out of work for years?


36 posted on 06/11/2011 4:30:10 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

It might. Or, less might do. Or more. The perceived value would fluctuate with scarcity and plenty. Bumper crop of tomatoes, it’ll take more of them to exchange. People are sneaky that way, they have an innate ability to estimate fair value.

I’m not even out of my forties and can remember the “Rolling Grocery,” a converted box truck that came through the rural areas near my grandparent’s farm. Call in an order, Mr. Wall would bring what you need. He’d also trade if you had something he could sell. He started out in the Great Depression and survived due to barter. He got enough cash to keep the truck on the road and to pay expenses. The other items fed him and his family.


37 posted on 06/11/2011 4:32:28 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: metmom

OH well Mom I did what I could.


38 posted on 06/11/2011 4:33:30 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

>>Not my list the author’s list my work is noted in Post #4<<

Both lists are short-term. Your post #4 is better reasoned, but just extends short term by a short while.

If someone is concerned about violent flash mobs, one has an option: MOVE. The Chicago experience is merely a sign of what happens when liberalism settles in as a lifestyle. Think NOLA.

I don’t see flash mobs breaking out in Duluth or Fort Worth requiring people to paint signs saying “one gun and an ugly woman.”

Your position, although fun to contemplate in a “Twilight Zone” fantasy, really doesn’t make sense.

But everything on both the OP and your post #4 are good things to have on hand. Disasters can strike anytime and that is what those can help make it through.


39 posted on 06/11/2011 4:35:03 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

Good list! Thanks for sharing it.

Do you have a ping list to which I could be added?


40 posted on 06/11/2011 4:35:35 PM PDT by kimmie7 (I do not think BO is the antichrist, but he may very well be 665.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

A very good expamle of what I am talking about. I can see that happening, but only in ‘Red’ areas in ‘Blue’ ones he would be flashed mobbed and killed for his tomatoes.


41 posted on 06/11/2011 4:35:53 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

>>I pray that we can keep it blow 15%, but unofficially we are almost there and we are just now entering the second dip. And once we do what happens to those that have already been out of work for years?<<

That is a WHOLE different thread. But with 85% employment, modern USA society will continue to plow ahead.

If I say what I think about people out of work for years people will just get mad at me.


42 posted on 06/11/2011 4:37:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: kimmie7

Done.


43 posted on 06/11/2011 4:38:52 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003

You read my manual fast, speed reader or a rain man?


44 posted on 06/11/2011 4:40:07 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003

And unemployment at 33% or 40%?


45 posted on 06/11/2011 4:41:04 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

>>And unemployment at 33% or 40%?<<

Or getting hit by a meteor? Or aliens that look like rhinos attacking?

If this administration, nor carter’s, couldn’t drive employment down that low, it probably won’t happen.

And, as I said, if that DOES happen and we are a 350 million person Haiti, neither the OP nor the ideas in Post #4 will be of any help. Because we will be “Beyond Thunderdome” and any planning is just survivalist paranoia.


46 posted on 06/11/2011 4:47:04 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Kartographer

>>You read my manual fast, speed reader or a rain man?<<

Rain reader.


47 posted on 06/11/2011 4:47:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

Well we are already at unoffical unemployment rate of 15%+ so what do you think the next dip is going to bring? I sat at least that many again.


48 posted on 06/11/2011 4:53:09 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003

By the way this administration isn’t through yet not by a long shot.


49 posted on 06/11/2011 4:55:04 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: freedumb2003
A garden gives great-tasting fresh produce and saves a few bucks but today isn’t really a dependable source of food.

I live in an area that allows a spring, fall and winter garden. I eat fresh produce year round and preserve what is needed otherwise. So when can I label my garden dependable? I really need to know.
50 posted on 06/11/2011 4:58:08 PM PDT by jy8z (From the next to last exit before the end of the internet.)
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