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My Thoughts on the GOP Debate Last Night
http://libertarian-neocon.blogspot.com/2011/06/my-thoughts-on-gop-debate-last-night.html ^ | libertarian neocon

Posted on 06/14/2011 8:21:17 AM PDT by libertarian neocon

So a miracle happened last night and somehow I was able to actually watch the GOP debate while it was going on and neither Ben10 (my kids' favorite) nor So You Think You Can Dance (my wife's favorite, as is just about any reality show that is on) entered into the picture at all. This is something that happens about as often as a full solar eclipse so I'm grateful, especially because I really did enjoy watching the debate last night, which was unexpected. Anyway, I thought I'd jot down some of my thoughts of how the different candidates fared in the debate and my general impression of them as candidates. Just so you know, my critique will be based solely on impressions of the candidates at the debate and will not draw on any of my preconceived notions (of which, I have many). Also, many of my comments may be highly superficial in nature as, for the most part, there was little difference between what the candidates said. After all, they are all gunning for the same electorate, the conservative activists who tend to vote in primaries.

Romney: The clear winner of the debate. His style was the most Presidential and I could see him going toe to toe with Obama in a debate and wiping the floor with him. The only issue I had with him, and it was minor, was that he looked like he not only aged in the last few years, but it looked like he rotted. It was as if he were Dorian Grey and someone accidentally damaged his portrait. Am I being too mean? Don't we all age? Yes, we do. But it's important that we don't come across as a bunch of senior citizens looking to battle the youthful Obama, like we did last election. Youthful vigor wins elections and has for much of the last 50 years (Obama over McCain, Clinton over Dole, Clinton over Bush, etc.). You might think Reagan was an exception but given how wimpy Carter came off as, Reagan actually seemed more vigorous despite being older.

Pawlenty: A bit of a letdown early on. As many others have noted, he should have gone in for the kill earlier on, in a sincere and principled way. I think he probably had too much advice earlier on about not going too negative and how people might be put off by that. Unfortunately, his Rube Goldergesque explanation of his Obamneycare comment (which he was implying was only a criticism of Obama) made him seem insincere and wimpy. And I now he could have done so much better with just a few tweaks as he did have a much better debate later on when he had warmed up a little and killed some of the butterflies in his stomach. The only other issue I had with him was that I kept wondering if he had a spray tan. He is from Minnesota, he doesn't have to be tan!

Bachmann: She is definitely a star and her debate performance was great. She was much more polished and confident than anyone else on the stage other than Romney. I liked it when she said she was running for President of the United States so wouldn't try to meddle in state affairs. The only thing I didn't like was when she kept saying she took in 23 foster kids. I know she is trying to sound generous, which I am sure she is. But for me and other east coasters, I think it just comes across as weird and perhaps a bit creepy. I don't know why but it does. I also wasn't a huge fan of the hair, which looked like it had 10 cans of hairspray and seemed hard enough to repel bullets. I was also surprised by the giant crows feet around her eyes, that might be a function though of the 6 inches of makeup she was wearing for the debate as I've seen her before and they weren't so pronounced (hey I said some of my comments would be highly superficial)

Paul: I normally don't like Ron Paul, but I did enjoy his performance at the debate. He, of course, focused on the fundamental problems with big government. Of course, the National Journal said he continued to be a fringe candidate because he was bringing obscure topics like "monetary policy" into the debate. I'm sorry, monetary policy is obscure? Maybe for you English major reporters but not for anyone who cares if the government is printing money and continuously devaluing the dollar for the last ten years. Anyhoo, the only critique I have for Paul's performance was that he kept referring to the "church" as a substitute for government. Couldn't he have said non-profit community organizations or something? Maybe try to be a little more inclusive? Libertarians are a small enough minority, now he has to bring religion into it?

Santorum: He did okay in the debate but I couldn't get over a couple of things. First, his nose looks way too small for his face. Did he have some sort of weirdo nosejob? He kind of has this Michael Jackson thing going on, at least to my eyes. Also, he always looked like he was in pain every time he said something. I mean, if he can't answer a fluff question like "Leno or Conan" without looking extremely constipated, he has a problem.

Gingrich: He did a wonderful job I thought, other than his wishy washy response to the Ryan plan question. He was generally confident and highly intelligent. Based on the debate by itself, I'd say he has a shot. But based on the fact he is kind of a whacko and extremley inconsistent, I don't think so.

Cain: A cartoon character of a candidate. I really could make no sense of his answers to the "will you have a Muslim in your cabinet" question, they would make sense for a little bit and then he would contradict himself. I think he could get the nomination of the Rent is Too Damn High Party. I think I liked the idea of him much more than what I saw last night.

At this point, I think Romney looks like he will be very tough to beat in New Hampshire. I also think that unless Pawlenty can become more confident I think he might lose Iowa to Bachmann, who is a much more exciting speaker. Anyway, we'll see what happens at the Ames Straw Poll in a couple of months, it should be interesting! Other than these three, I don't see anyone escaping the single digit range in primaries.


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1 posted on 06/14/2011 8:21:20 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: libertarian neocon
Romney LOST because he was caught (not yet exposed)
lying again. He said he opposed TARP.


Milt Romney (The Magic RINO and Poser):

"I also think it's important for us to nod to the president when he's right," Romney said....
Romney, who spoke at a dinner for the National Republican Senatorial Committee,
said he's pleased with the president's plans to "finish the job" in Iraq and Afghanistan
-- lines that drew applause from the partisan audience. He also applauded the president
for standing up to the auto industry.
"I hope he continues to be tough ....The former businessman even offered faint praise for
Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, saying that after a series of initial missteps,
"I think he's finally getting close to the right answer."

2 posted on 06/14/2011 8:26:04 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: libertarian neocon
Romney: The clear winner of the debate. His style was the most Presidential and I could see him going toe to toe with Obama in a debate and wiping the floor with him.

Really dude? Where you on Chrystal Meth? Romney looked old and spoke in canned sound bites. And you opinion of Santorum's solid Conservative performance being off because his nose is too small? You are a horses ass or a silly hack troll.

Either way, IBTZ.

3 posted on 06/14/2011 8:26:42 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: libertarian neocon

You only have one television? What year is it—1956? :)
You can buy a second one for less than it costs to fill up the car with gas.


4 posted on 06/14/2011 8:27:30 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Lib Logic: Foley bad, therefore all republicans bad. Weiner bad, therefore Weiner bad.)
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To: libertarian neocon

IBTZ!!


5 posted on 06/14/2011 8:29:09 AM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: libertarian neocon

Dittos to everything. Yes, Romney DID look older (that may also be WISER!). Bachman did ‘clean up’. Maybe she’s trying to out shine the missing Palin? Gingrinch did sound strong (we have a deep bench, eh?) but does anybody really think he has a shot? Paul and Cain sounded ‘kooky’, (step aside, please.) Santorum must have hemmoroids. He looks like he’s hurting.


6 posted on 06/14/2011 8:29:33 AM PDT by conductor john (from jersey)
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To: Lazlo in PA
a silly hack troll

Why do you say that? He's been on FreeRepublic for almost a week.

7 posted on 06/14/2011 8:29:38 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Lib Logic: Foley bad, therefore all republicans bad. Weiner bad, therefore Weiner bad.)
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To: libertarian neocon
I am displeased that so many republicans showed up to be put on display by CNN. The moderator was running the show as if it was all about him. I was waiting for someone to look him in the eye and say; "We have a nation in trouble and you are asking about Leno and American Idol?"
8 posted on 06/14/2011 8:30:13 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: libertarian neocon
Romney -- looks older.
Santorum -- has a small nose.
Bachmann -- don't like her hair.

Duly noted.

9 posted on 06/14/2011 8:31:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: libertarian neocon

Paul came off as an ‘old crank’. He seemed to ramble his answers.


10 posted on 06/14/2011 8:32:51 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

We have ourselves a Noob Troll here. Making fun of Santorum and Cain, but thinking Romney and Gingrich were great. Some solid posting history too. 5 whole posts.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:libertarianneocon/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


11 posted on 06/14/2011 8:34:09 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: libertarian neocon

Please report to the JimRob re-education camp ... /sarc


12 posted on 06/14/2011 8:34:30 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Lazlo in PA; libertarian neocon; Jim Robinson; ConjunctionJunction; Al B.; SolidWood; Leisler; ...
IBTZ

libertarian neocon: "Pawlenty: A bit of a letdown early on."

Wrong. Pawlenty praised Gov. Palin. Up two for him.


libertarian neocon: "Bachmann: She is definitely a star and her debate performance was great.
She was much more polished and confident than anyone else on the stage other than Romney."

Wrong again. Romney's and Rollin's RINO-Wench Bachmann
exposed herself last week as a weak
GOP backstabber, like her honey-pot Romney.

libertarian neocon is an salient RomneyBOT.


13 posted on 06/14/2011 8:35:51 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Romney had his rearend handed to him when his response to Afghanistan was to “let the Generals on the ground” decide when we pull out, and whoever it was - retorted that this was not ‘leadership’ worthy of a “Commander in Chief”.


14 posted on 06/14/2011 8:36:49 AM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: libertarian neocon

There was a debate last night?

Who was there?

Anyone important? didn’t think so....


15 posted on 06/14/2011 8:37:15 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: libertarian neocon

Everybody watched the “debate” through their own prism. Trolling many sights the comments were similar and as expected. Many said Romney is a Mormon and untrustworthy. Gingrich, a historian that likes to cheat on women. Cain, a nice polite gentleman but with no ability to govern. Bachman, a pretty woman but no real experience. Pawlenty, too mundane. Paul, a guy that hates anything that goes against the Constitution. Santorum, what is he doing there. Most of these comments came from people that probably didn’t even watch the “debate.” Their opinions have been forged by the careful crafting of each candidate by the Old Media. As far as I’m concerned all the candidates had good points and the worse one of the bunch, whoever that may be, would be 100 times a better President than the incumbent.


16 posted on 06/14/2011 8:41:30 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: Baynative

Did you also notice how King would start trying to interrupt the candidates 20 seconds into their answers?


17 posted on 06/14/2011 8:42:03 AM PDT by camerongood210 ( Matthew 24)
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To: Diogenesis
Isn't that a pic of Michelle at a Palin/McLame event? I recall Palin hanging with Mittens in '08 too. It was all hands on deck to drag that loser McLame over the finish line.


18 posted on 06/14/2011 8:42:19 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: libertarian neocon

Sorry, but Romney’s perpetual smirk turned me off. Cain was a disappointment, Paul comes off as somewhat crazy, and Newtie slithered around a bit. And, yes, Santorum’s nose is crooked. I wonder if that was an old injury?

The big loser, however, was CNN for that stupid format and the cutsie-pie questions.


19 posted on 06/14/2011 8:43:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: libertarian neocon

“neocon”

The name fits.

Thanks for wasting 10 seconds of my time.


20 posted on 06/14/2011 8:43:37 AM PDT by wolficatZ (Somebody once wrote "Revenge is a dish that has to be eaten cold".)
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To: libertarian neocon
Romney: The clear winner of the debate.

BZZZZZZZZZ! WRONG. Mitty was the clear PHONY of the debate. He’s looking old and kinda haggard too.

Gingrich: He did a wonderful job I thought …

STRIKE TWO!

Paul: I normally don't like Ron Paul [note: classic sly libertarian paulbot strategy], but I did enjoy his performance at the debate.


STRIKE THREE!!! YOU’RE OUT!

21 posted on 06/14/2011 8:43:45 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Baynative

The biggest thing I learned last night was that John King is a major douche.


22 posted on 06/14/2011 8:45:41 AM PDT by RockinRight (Rock you like a Hermancain!)
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To: libertarian neocon; humblegunner
"libertarian neocon" since June 9, 2011" ... because FR needs a good laugh ....


credit: FReeper humblegunner

23 posted on 06/14/2011 8:46:51 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: The Bronze Titan
Romney was full of his BS answers last night. When Ron Paul took the question Romney failed on and said he was the Commander in Chief and would make the decisions, I laughed out loud. Mittens looked so stupid as usual answering a simple question.


24 posted on 06/14/2011 8:47:38 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: libertarian neocon
ROMNEYSRECORD
25 posted on 06/14/2011 8:49:03 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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To: libertarian neocon; paulycy; 50mm

Candygram ....
26 posted on 06/14/2011 8:49:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

BEHOLD: The CROWDS LOVE and reach out for Gov. Palin.
and abhor and shun the fascist, backstabbing Milt Romney.

27 posted on 06/14/2011 8:52:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Diogenesis

I just found you picture proving that Bachmann was a Myth supporter strained considering Myth was campaigning with everyone in ‘08.


28 posted on 06/14/2011 8:55:20 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: libertarian neocon

>>Romney looks like he will be very tough to beat in New Hampshire.

Welcome to North Massachusetts—Mass. voters fleeing high taxes only to try and bring them back? Though NH has a bit more sense, at least in the last election it seems, and a recent “freedom” poll put them at #1 while Mass was #46
or something (government intrusion, etc.) I think NH pays
legislators $100/yr and they’re only in session a few months. In MA, state legislators make a lot more, are full time,
and do things like 4 am sexual meetups in the state house
with staffers for colleagues, sexual harrassment encounters in Lowell, stuffing one’s bra with money, drunk driving, etc.

Oh, and no need to elect pesky Republicans or even RINOs
in MA (other than Brown). Nosirree, we want about 98 per cent Democrats. Mass is proud to support Patrick, Frank,
Markey, Tierney, Kerry, and so many others. Amazingly,
Romney did win one election in MA despite having an R next to his name, and if you ask most most in the Bay State, he’s
a far right Nazi “Rethuglican”. But those in NH have at least heard of him. Maybe he’ll do well.

Curious though, what did Sarah say in the debate?

You say she wasn’t there? Maybe she isn’t running. Plenty of time to get into the race, Sarah. Maybe a week before
the NH primary, go right ahead. Or maybe we can look forward
to Romney accepting the nomination next year instead....?
No rush, Sarah. Take your time.


29 posted on 06/14/2011 8:56:54 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: Fresh Wind

I think the format and moderator made it hard for anyone to truly stand out.

Bachmann did well, I think, and Cain didn’t do that great overall, but I think that’s largely due to the fact that people had high expectations based on his first debate performance.


30 posted on 06/14/2011 8:57:51 AM PDT by RockinRight (Rock you like a Hermancain!)
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To: Diogenesis

Did she throw her hat in the race yet? How did she do in the debate? I’m sure she had a lot to say about Romneycare. How did Sarah do last night? (I was watching and listening to the Bruins instead.)


31 posted on 06/14/2011 8:58:55 AM PDT by raccoonradio (..)
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To: raccoonradio
"Mass is proud to support Patrick, Frank,
Markey, Tierney, Kerry, and so many others. "

UNTRUE. Evil radio stations like WRKO mislead and trick
the public for Romney and his clones who are worthless.
They FOISTED Deval Patrick on the helpless people.

Stop listening to Soros-radio and its antiPalin, proRomney Carr at WRKO
and the rest of their endless RINO-ranting for the DNC and Obama.

Massachusetts is conservative.
Ready for Gov. Palin.
Change stations, rr. Before your mind completely melts.


32 posted on 06/14/2011 9:03:34 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Lazlo in PA; Diogenesis

The fact that Bachmann invested in a campaign strategy expert to stop Palin, is evidence of her support for Romney.


33 posted on 06/14/2011 9:04:17 AM PDT by ansel12 (Bachmann/Rollins/Romney=destruction for Bachmann, but it sure helps Romney. WHY?)
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To: libertarian neocon

Welcome to FRee Republic n00b

So you signed up in time to rescue and prop up po lil Willie Mitty...

We get new RomneyBots signing up all the time

There was little that was “presidential” about Williard Mitt Romney last night

Willie Mitty was handed only soft easy Qs

He was bypassed deliberately for abortion, RomneyCare, Ethanel, Global Warming

Too many issues to be a coincident

Now at the rest of the debates, if Willie Mitty stays in long enough, will the Mods have guts enough to confront him with real questions ???

or will it continue to be soft fuzzies for the MSM favorite ???

Right now the lineup is MSM and liberals and Willie Mitty V Patriotic Conservative TEA Party Americans

We know from previous experience that Willie Mitty doesnt have the backbone to stand and fight so its just a matter of time


34 posted on 06/14/2011 9:04:17 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: libertarian neocon
Hey libertarian neocon. Why no replies to questions on this thread?


35 posted on 06/14/2011 9:04:54 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: raccoonradio
Massachusetts is conservative.
Ready for Gov. Palin.
Change stations, rr. Before your mind completely melts.


36 posted on 06/14/2011 9:05:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Lazlo in PA

At least Mitty didnt answer like he did in 2008

“I would consult the lawyers”

The guy whispering in his ear piece last night must have told him not to say that again...


37 posted on 06/14/2011 9:07:35 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: libertarian neocon

I didn’t even last through the first question. The only person who answered a question is the allotted time was Herman Cain. The rest had to be shushed. Typical politicians!


38 posted on 06/14/2011 9:08:55 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Lazlo in PA
Exactly.

"Never send a monkey to do a man's job."
~ Captain Leo Davidson

39 posted on 06/14/2011 9:09:18 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Tennessee Nana
The guy whispering in his ear piece last night must have told him not to say that again...

Proof: that's how he knew the score of the Bruins game ...

40 posted on 06/14/2011 9:09:41 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Diogenesis

>>libertarian neocon is an salient RomneyBOT.<<

I agree. But I think he may be part of a “greater conspiracy” to bless him as the republican candidate. I was listening to a couple of media hacks last night and they were also singing Romney’s praises after the debate. In both cases I had to ask, “did they see the same debate we did?”

I fear that “the fix is in”.
Dole I = Bob Dole
Dole II = John McCain
Dole III = Mitt Romney

The “good” news is that it really does not matter which one wins. The country will be a shell of itself by the time the winner (whichever party wins) is sworn in in 2013.


41 posted on 06/14/2011 9:10:51 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Diogenesis

How did Reagan ever win states like MA, MD, DE, VT, NY, etc?


42 posted on 06/14/2011 9:13:43 AM PDT by RockinRight (Rock you like a Hermancain!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

YEPPERS !!!

When he said that I thought “How on earth could he know that ???”

Then I remembered the time he had an ear piece during a debate in 2008

Romney is still a cheat..

See ???

Theres some things he doesnt flip flop on...


43 posted on 06/14/2011 9:14:51 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

I actually dont like Romney at all, I think he is completely an untrustworthy flip flopper, though I did like him in the debate. I’m actually a Pawlenty supporter as he has received high marks for his time at Minnesota (got an A from Cato!), but I was disappointed in his performance.


44 posted on 06/14/2011 9:15:21 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: Lazlo in PA

Honestly, I thought Mitt sucked. I had expected way more from a guy who has had two and half years of running for President. He gave no detailed answers at all. TPaw stumbled slightly over Obamneycare. He should have just politely said that with all due respect Romneycare was not working very well in MA and it does resemble Obamacare. We all know its true.

I’m prejudiced but I thought Bachmann shined.

They were all pretty good. Any one of them would be 10 times the leader and President Barry Soetoro is.


45 posted on 06/14/2011 9:15:24 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

No, we actually have 3 nice flatscreens. But Im either hanging around with the kids or the wife so Im forced to watch what they are watching. Somehow last night I was able to put the TV on to my show without a problem, kids were playing with toys and the wife was showing houses.


46 posted on 06/14/2011 9:15:24 AM PDT by libertarian neocon
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To: RobRoy

NO

Mitt Romney couldnt shine Bob Doles shoes

For starters Bob Dole was a war hero

Mitty is a TWO time draft dodging coward...


47 posted on 06/14/2011 9:16:52 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: libertarian neocon

You have GOT to be kidding? Romney?

Just wait til they do expose him. And remember ... being dull and speaking in even tones does not make you President.

And tell me. IF Romney is nominated, and the Tea Party doesn’t vote for him, think he’ll be tough to beat? I think not.

I knew I shouldn’t have read this post. Now I’m just upset.


48 posted on 06/14/2011 9:19:48 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: RIghtwardHo

Another noobie

Whatcha doing with your friend ???

Playing good cop bad cop ???


49 posted on 06/14/2011 9:21:56 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Diogenesis

Looking through the Palin Prism changes everything I guess. I see two people on a stage at a campaign event. At the moment the picture was taken one was leaning down to shake hands, the other is smiling and waving at the crowd. I see no indication that is crowd abhors or is repulsed by either candidate, but then I am not afflicted by MDS.

In fact I would guess if that Romney/Palin had been our team in 2008 we wouldn’t have real double digit unemployment, O’bamaCare, Elena Kagan, the wise Latina, a $6T dollar increase in the debt etc, etc., etc. And geez if that had been the team then in 2016 Sarah would be ready to take over after 8 years as a very successful VP and the leader on making energy independent.

I guess the biggest question is how can you reconcile your blind adoration for Sarah, your abject hatred of Romney and the fact Sarah allowed herself to be forced to be seen on the same stage with someone obviously as hated as Mitt?


50 posted on 06/14/2011 9:23:13 AM PDT by redangus
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