Skip to comments.Gun ownership, carrying a gun linked to heavy alcohol use
Posted on 06/20/2011 9:11:22 AM PDT by drypowder
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“about 25 percent of gunshot-wound victims treated at UC Davis Medical Center tested positive for alcohol.”
So you are much more likely to be shot if you’re sober. Good to know.(snicker)
“What an idiotic statement - assuming that carry a concealed weapon is a risky behavior.”
Hopefully, the author was referencing this study finding:
“But alcohol abuse was most common among firearm owners who participated in gun-related behaviors that carry a risk of violence, which also included having a loaded, unlocked firearm in the home and driving or riding in a vehicle with a loaded firearm.”
Let’s concede that alcohol abuse impairs judgment (witness: drinking and driving deaths). This study is the equivalent of finding that drivers who drink alcohol are more likely to be involved in automobile accidents. Given the disproportionate share of carnage caused by drunk drivers, this wouldn’t be at all surprising. But the solution to this problem isn’t to ban either alcohol use or cars: it is to impose heavy penalties on those who drive their cars recklessly—a standard that inevitably will snare more drunk drivers than average drivers.
Likewise with guns. No one can defend the carnage caused by guns. And to the degree it arises from irresponsible behavior, it should be punished just as severely as drunk driving deaths. But the solution isn’t to inhibit the freedom of everyone else to drink or own guns.
If this solution is acceptable for cars (drunk driving causes 10,8000 deaths a year
http://www.cdc.gov/MotorVehicleSafety/Impaired_Driving/impaired-drv_factsheet.html while gun-related homicides and accidents account for about 13,500 http://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/GUNS/GUNSTAT.html), there’s no reason (except for ideological bias) it can’t work for guns.
Garen Wintemute is an anti-gun activist of the first order and anything he has to say needs to be vetted thoroughly. If that pony-tailed freak said that water was wet I’d be sure to verify the fact.
Is this like the study that once proved that marijuana use made White women want to have sex with Black Jazz musicians?
The way gun owners and dealers get treated by the statist JBT's, can you blame them? Rein in the ATF, and the problem would be solved. Refreshing honesty from a lying liberal university, as much as admitting the policies are the cause of the problem.
When you're a liberal. If you're a liberal and own a gun, it's risky because you're an idiot and will probably shoot your wife or dog. If you're a liberal and OTHER people own guns, it's risky cause you might end up watering the tree of liberty.
Well Malone, you just boiled down the alcohol/gun link to the love of fine, polished wood. Are you up for a grant?
Tip: Before sticking either in your mouth, double check to make sure you grabbed the right one!
Wow, what a complete load of cr@p ping.
This study must be true. Shortly after I gave up alcohol, I lost all my guns in the lake.
I’ll bet they could draw a corelation between gun owners and racism, too, because all this time I’ve been blaming America’s gun violence on inner city yoots.
Nor single motherhood with poverty.
Nor Socialist educations with low SAT scores.
Nor open borders with gang activity.
But the geniuses at UC Davis, with my tax money, do studies to tell ME that gun owners are more apt to be heavy drinkers?
Liberalism is a waste of money and a failure of the mind to mature.
Or that tenured taxpayer-funded professors at public universities should have a 5% 401K match vs. lifetime pensions and bennies...that would make him drop his copy of Das Kapital.
15 years ago Ohio (one of the states in the study) DID NOT have concealed carry — so anyone (besides law enforcement) who transported a loaded gun in an automobile, for example, was doing so illegally. This only shows that people who break one law (e.g., driving while intoxicated) are more likely to break another, and has nothing to do with legal concealed carry.
You have an ‘aresenal’. And not the kind typical media stories have- a .22 and box of ammo.
Stay bitter and clingy , FRiend!
Garen J. Wintemute, M.D.
Garen J. Wintemute is a national expert on gun violence and public attitudes about guns. He has served as a consultant for the National Institute of Justice; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms; World Health Organization; Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; and American Red Cross. Wintemute has conducted and published findings from numerous studies regarding gun accessibility, connections between gun ownership and violence, and other related subjects. His research focuses on the nature of violence and development of effective violence prevention measures.
Director of the Violence Prevention Research Program
Attending Physician-Emergency Department
Specialty: Emergency Medicine
Address: UC Davis Medical Center
2315 Stockton Blvd.
Sacramento, CA 95817
Phone: (916) 734-5010
Education: UC Davis School of Medicine
New Haven, Connecticut
Board Certifications: American Board of Family Medicine, 1980
Select Recent Publications: Wintemute GJ, Cook PJ, Wright MA. Risk factors among handgun retailers for frequent and disproportionate sales of guns used in violent and firearm-related crimes. Injury Prevention, 11:357-363.
Wintemute GJ, Romero MP, Wright MA, Grassel KM. The life cycle of crime guns: A description based on guns recovered from young people in California. Annals of Emergency Medicine, 43:733-742.
Romero MP, Wintemute GJ, Wright MA, Parham CA. Shall issue policy and criminal activity among applicants for permits to carry concealed firearms. Injury Prevention, 9:367-9.
Wintemute GJ, Wright MA, Drake CM, Beaumont JJ. Subsequent criminal activity among violent misdemeanants who seek to purchase handguns: Risk factors and effectiveness of denying handgun purchase. Journal of the American Medical Association, 285:1019-1026.
Wintemute GJ, Parham CA, Beaumont JJ, Wright MA, Drake C. Mortality among recent purchasers of handguns. New England Journal of Medicine, 341:1583-1589.
Or with a gun for that matter, or sending those with guns into battle
It’s like I said earlier in this thread. This is a “study” of concealed weapon carry in the same way that scientists on-the-take from the IPCC “study global warming”.
Davis, Ca is Berkely, Ca writ small......
When Tom MacClintock held his town hall meeting prior to Obamacare, the meeting was attended by about 200 people sporting “Progressive Democrats of America” tee shirts. They had piled out of cars sporting Davis School District parking passes. ( Davis is NOT in Tom’s congressional district nor anywhere close to it)
When questioned about their organization I commented to a couple of “ladies” that any organization having “progressive” in it’s title was sure to be communist in it’s orientation. I was promtly assualted with fists/elbows.
People in Davis are rabidly extreme leftists......all of them!
Not surprized that they are against anyone excersizing their constitutional rights, and that they try to demoguoge
any that do.
Rooster Cogburn would give that princess a heart attack!
Wonder what that means about this gun-totting Texan who’s never drunk a drop of alcohol in his lifetime?
Might I suggest you suggest to them that they bring both a suitcase, and an ice chest, as it will take them far longer than they think...
Nope a collection.. if I get something that is crew served or or indirect fire maybe then its an arsenal
I don’t know of any conservatives who have that tendency. Those who own weapons generally drink less than those who don’t and when they practice with their weapons, nearly always follow an adamant rule that “powder and alcohol don’t mix”.
Liberals I’ve known, on the other hand, who own firearms, think nothing wrong with drinking and carrying a weapon around.
This must be true. I engaged in the risky behavior of transporting my guns, and a case of beer, across a lake one day. Before reaching the other side, the boat somehow capsized, spilling it’s contents.
Well, I did manage to save the remaining beer. Sadly, all the guns were lost.
“Gun owners who carry concealed weapons or have confronted another person with a gun are more than twice as likely to drink heavily as people who do not own guns”
Odd bedmates don’t you think:a category including CCW and drunks who confront others with a gun.
It’s obvious that those who’ve confronted others with a gun are more likely to be heavy drinkers. Drunks do all kinds of dangerous things.
But why include CCW in that category? For one reason only: to tar their reputation with the statistical behavior of drunk gun-toters.
They’ve mixed a few apples with a bunch of eggs and then “proved” statistically how easily apples shatter when dropped.
I could do a study with nuns and male homosexuals in the same group and “prove” how nuns are much more likely to contract AIDS than the general population.
This is apparently a bad physician, who turned his anti-gun hobby into a full time position doing dildo research. Those people he might have been attending as a physician, can feel very fortunate. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate this individual has a lick of sense.
I’m not sure how long the comments would be if we started an analyses of those who were responsible through the years since his graduation for hiring him to work. i would guess “work” had nothing to do with producing anything that had a profit margin.
This is total BS. Nothing but commie propaganda. Liberals are the largest known drinkers. Shooters I know rarely even drink.
Oh, it’s from UC Davis: babysitter of homosexual, commie/libertarian, neo-Nazi brats from that neighborhood full of aging politicians and other big shots near there.
76 - GA
80 - IN
85 - ME, ND
86 - SD
87 - FL
89 - OR, PA, WV
90 - ID, MS
91 - MT
94 - AK, AZ, TN, WY
95 - AR, NC, OK, NV, UT, VA
96 - TX, KY, WV again, SC
Makes 25 of 50 states with either liberal gun freedoms, or liberal infringement through registration (take your pick), laws, allowing some citizens to legally carry a concealed weapon.
I have no idea about open legal carry up to that point.
But - did any of these eight states in the survey come from the pool? Were they randomly chosen?
How did they verify the veracity of the participants, or otherwise account for it?
Does the questionnaire ask whether carrying a gun is legally done (whether concealed or otherwise)?
Stoopid gets what stoopid deserves.
Eight states “chose” to ask questions about firearms.
Answered own question about randomness right there.
Now, next question - what kind of state chooses to ask its citizens who owns a firearm or not? Gun friendly, or not?
Do ya think?
LOL — Thanks.
I have not given up alcohol completely; I use beer as an after-exercise recovery drink (fluid, carbohydrate and pain killer). But I had the same kind of tragic boating accident.
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