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Shock: Dept. of Defense Vindicates Fort Hood Killer
Pajamas Media ^ | June 21, 2011 | Patrick Poole

Posted on 06/21/2011 12:25:44 PM PDT by jazusamo

A shocking decision made by the secretary of the Army last month — in the case of an U.S. Army soldier with the 101st Airborne at Fort Campbell who refused to deploy to Afghanistan claiming that Islamic law prevented him from killing other Muslims — vindicates Fort Hood killer Major Nidal Hasan. He made identical claims and threatened that “adverse events” would occur if military officials didn’t accede to shariah principles.

The subject of the Fort Campbell case is PFC Nasser Abdo, who was granted conscientious objector status last month, only to be brought up on charges last week — two days after being informed of the secretary of the Army’s decision — after child pornography was found on his government-issued computer. The news reports about Abdo’s arrest were the first to mention the Army recognizing him as a conscientious objector. After his arrest, Abdo is now claiming that the child porn charges are the Army’s way of retaliating against him.

Abdo’s case has been championed by a number of media outlets, including Al-Jazeera and CNN. According to the Associated Press, in his claim for conscientious objector status, Abdo cited a number of Islamic scholars and Koranic verses in his defense:

I realized through further reflection that God did not give legitimacy to the war in Afghanistan, Iraq or any war the U.S. Army would conceivably participate in.

Abdo told Al-Jazeera:

I don’t believe I can involve myself in an army that wages war against Muslims. I don’t believe I could sleep at night if I take part, in any way, in the killing of a Muslim.

He also told ABC News:

A Muslim is not allowed to participate in an Islamicly unjust war. Any Muslim who knows his religion or maybe takes into account what his religion says can find out very clearly why he should not participate in the U.S. military.

In a perverse twist, the ABC News report noted that a website dedicated to his cause operated by his friends claimed that Abdo:

… will be at danger of harassment and even death from his fellow soldiers, many of whom will be resentful of PFC Abdo’s religious beliefs and his desire to be discharged from the military.

No mention was made by ABC News of the potential of harassment and death for non-Muslim soldiers if Abdo wasn’t granted conscientious objector status, as was the case at Fort Hood with Major Nidal Hasan.

In Major Hasan’s case, the Washington Post reported just days after the Fort Hood massacre that he had warned his Army colleagues and supervisor at Walter Reed of “adverse events” if Muslims were not granted conscientious objector status. The warning occurred during a June 2007 Power Point presentation that was part of his psychiatric residency program. Major Hasan cited previous cases of Muslims murdering their fellow soldiers, spying against the U.S., deserting their units, and refusing to deploy as examples of the kinds of “adverse events” that would follow if the Army didn’t bow to the precepts of Islamic law.

Some Muslim groups have disagreed with Major Hasan and PFC Abdo, such as the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, run by retired Navy Commander Zuhdi Jasser. And Muslim soldiers at both Fort Hood and Fort Campbell, as well as in Iraq and Afghanistan, are serving without any qualms.

But as veteran Pentagon reporter Bill Gertz reported in the Washington Times in March 2010, groups such as the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America (AMJA) have issued fatwas prohibiting Muslims from even serving as military contractors aiding U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. And the notorious Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) even went so far as to write a letter to Defense Secretary Robert Gates on behalf of another Muslim Army soldier stationed at Fort Hood claiming conscientious objector status on the same grounds as Hasan and Abdo.

By granting PFC Abdo’s conscientious objector claim, the Army may have created trouble for themselves in the court martial of Major Hasan for the murder of his thirteen fellow soldiers at Fort Hood. Hasan’s attorney can now claim that by refusing to acknowledge Major Hasan’s claims under Islamic law as a conscientious objector and granting him an honorable discharge, the Army created irreconcilable conflict that prompted the Fort Hood massacre. And they can use the secretary of the Army’s decision in the Abdo case as proof.

But they have also created a greater problem. By bowing to the dictates of Islamic law, which defines the killing of a Muslim by another Muslim without right as terrorism, the U.S. Army has tacitly endorsed a religiously bigoted position that it is perfectly fine for Muslim service members to kill non-Muslims, but killing their co-religionists is totally out-of-bounds and is grounds for an honorable discharge. Is any other religion granted such accommodation? Will this decision help or discredit those Muslims serving honorably with both their fellow soldiers and the Muslim community?

Despite years of protestation by the U.S. government to the contrary, this decision vindicates all of these who have claimed that America is engaged in a war against Islam (including Osama bin Laden). The position that the Army now takes would also appear to acknowledge the classic Islamic doctrine of jihad that states that any incursion by non-Muslims into the lands of Dar al-Islam makes it an incumbent duty upon all Muslims everywhere to resist the “occupiers” — the position taken by al-Qaeda and every Islamic terrorist group on the planet.

How did the Unites States Army arrive at such a convoluted, ill-informed, contradictory, and self-defeating policy? By listening to the very Islamic “outreach” partners they have falsely assumed are operating in America’s best interests.

Patrick Poole is a regular contributor to Pajamas Media, and an anti-terrorism consultant to law enforcement and the military.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Religion
KEYWORDS: forthood; fthood; keywordsfreepers; muslims; nasserabdo; nidalhasan; sharialaw; usarmy
Sounds like there's a big PC problem with the Army brass.
1 posted on 06/21/2011 12:25:55 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: smoothsailing; Lancey Howard; bigheadfred; Gene Eric; RedRover

Check this out, it’s a real head shaker.


2 posted on 06/21/2011 12:29:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Sounds more like the story does not support the headline.


3 posted on 06/21/2011 12:29:13 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: jazusamo
Child porn, huh? Not a real big surprise, muzzys, and especially saudis LOVE little boys.
4 posted on 06/21/2011 12:29:27 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: jazusamo

And who thinks this is not a holy war.


5 posted on 06/21/2011 12:29:39 PM PDT by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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To: jazusamo

Has anyone seen this from any other source?


6 posted on 06/21/2011 12:29:41 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: jazusamo
So, we have a group in the US issuing fatwas.

I thought we already had a government ~ probably ought to round that bunch up and send them back to where that stuff is tolerated.

7 posted on 06/21/2011 12:31:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jazusamo
Sounds like there's a big PC problem with the Army brass.

Sounds like they can't find their brass.

8 posted on 06/21/2011 12:32:26 PM PDT by bgill
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To: jazusamo

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?


9 posted on 06/21/2011 12:32:54 PM PDT by hoagy62 (Help stamp out crack-pull up your pants.)
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To: verity
Sounds more like the story does not support the headline.

I agree with you --- I can't find where it says the Fr Hood Killer was vindicated. If that were the case, I think some sort of civil war would break out.

10 posted on 06/21/2011 12:33:47 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: All
Washington Post
11 posted on 06/21/2011 12:35:26 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: basil; verity
...Hasan’s attorney can now claim that by refusing to acknowledge Major Hasan’s claims under Islamic law as a conscientious objector and granting him an honorable discharge, the Army created irreconcilable conflict that prompted the Fort Hood massacre. And they can use the secretary of the Army’s decision in the Abdo case as proof. ...
12 posted on 06/21/2011 12:37:15 PM PDT by norton
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To: jazusamo
Its an all volunteer military. If an enlistee doesn't intend to do what the military requires, he should apply for a discharge or not join in the first place.

Muslims who make this claim have no business collecting a military paycheck. If they feel they are being forced to choose between their religion and service to their country, then they need to pick which one they feel is most important.

Otherwise, they are unlawful combatants wearing a U.S. military uniform and should be treated as such.

13 posted on 06/21/2011 12:39:03 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: norton

What an absurd contention.


14 posted on 06/21/2011 12:39:46 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: verity; basil

I agree, vindicated is not the word to use. Evidently Hasan had warned of “adverse events” if Muslims were not granted conscientious objector status but he was trying to justify the murders he committed.


15 posted on 06/21/2011 12:41:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Vigilanteman

Agree completely.


16 posted on 06/21/2011 12:43:02 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Muslims kill other Muslims all the time


17 posted on 06/21/2011 12:46:01 PM PDT by tophat9000 (Global Warming, undeniable truth; Obama, infallible genius; Apple perfect, invented everything)
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To: jazusamo
I don’t believe I can involve myself in an army that wages war against Muslims. I don’t believe I could sleep at night if I take part, in any way, in the killing of a Muslim.

Al Queda and the Taliban don't seem to have a problem with killing Muzzies. Neither did Saddam or Quadaffi. As far as I am concerned, it is a BS traitorous excuse.

18 posted on 06/21/2011 12:46:56 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: jazusamo

Bravo Sierra. Muslims kill other Muslims all the time. Iraq-Iran comes to mind.

But let’s take his argument as true. We should then expel all Muslims from the US military and all supporting contractors, since keeping them in is a violation of sharia law.

Give them an honorable, letter of thanks, and all.


19 posted on 06/21/2011 12:47:46 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Vigilanteman

From the article: “After his arrest, Abdo is now claiming that the child porn charges are the Army’s way of retaliating against him.”

Perhaps porn charges are just porn charges?

Can I be on the jury? Please!

Oh, a courts martial, eh. I guess not, huh?

;-(


20 posted on 06/21/2011 12:49:27 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: RatRipper; DBrow

Yep, Muzzies kill Muzzies often and have for hundreds of years. Looks like CAIR and other radical Muzzie groups just don’t want Muzzies helping the US Military.


21 posted on 06/21/2011 12:52:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
They took an oath, how does that square with their refusal to serve as lawfully directed? Conscientious objectors should not be allowed to stay in the US military.
22 posted on 06/21/2011 12:58:02 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: jazusamo

“retired Navy commander Zudhi Jasser”

Is this the same Zudhi Jasser who turns up on the networks as one of those suave soft spoken clean shaven Muslims who assures us that Islam is a peaceful religion?

BTW, Jasser has said there’s nothing in the Koran about the rocks and trees telling Muslims to kill the Jews hiding behind them on final judgement day. Very slick, because in fact it’s in the authoritative hadiths.

But holy cr@p! Nidalmalikhasan actually killed thirteen of our soldiers (half of whom were medical doctors headed into theater). He’s guilty as the day is long! How is this other C.O. muzzie’s case going to affect NMH being convicted of coldblooded murder?

Anyway, that trial will be delayed for years as it will also put on trial the Arny chain of command and its complicity in enforcing the climate of political correctness that allowed the murderer to act.


23 posted on 06/21/2011 1:06:57 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: jazusamo

Yet they put Lt. Col.Lakin in jail for not going to Afghanistan,because the President here is a Muslim.


24 posted on 06/21/2011 1:07:16 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: jazusamo

The U.S. military should be the conscientious objector. They should conscientiously object to allowing anyone to serve in their ranks, who is not willing to fight and kill the enemy, no matter who the enemy is. If a military service person won’t fight and kill one enemy group, but is willing to fight and kill another enemy, that person is not a conscientious objector, that person is a liability. A conscientious objector is someone who doesn’t want to kill anyone not just one specific group.


25 posted on 06/21/2011 1:07:47 PM PDT by This I Wonder32460
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To: elcid1970

I have to believe it’s the same guy, there can’t be many Zudhi Jasser’s around. :)

No, I don’t see how this could possibly affect Hasan’s case, he’s going to be executed but like you say, it’ll be quite awhile. This is a poorly titled article.


26 posted on 06/21/2011 1:12:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: This I Wonder32460

Correct. Conscientious objectors have served in the military in combat as medics and I believe there are a couple of Medal Of Honor recipients.


27 posted on 06/21/2011 1:16:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Any Muslim who knows his religion or maybe takes into account what his religion says can find out very clearly why he should not participate in the U.S. military.

This jerkoff is a stinking moocher. All was fine while collecting a paycheck and bennies until he was actually called upon to earn those bennies.

I say kick him out, and have him reimburse the Army for the time and training he received.

28 posted on 06/21/2011 1:20:58 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Avoid arguments with your wife about lifting the toilet seat by simply using the sink.)
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To: jazusamo; potlatch; devolve; ntnychik; dixiechick2000
The only answer to this and a host of other outrages is to de-elect the Islamo-Commie.

NASA eschews space research for Muslim outreach.

FBI gives sensitivity training on questioning Muslims.

Service chaplains constrained from Christ-based sermons.

If Obama is a Christian, I am one of the X-Men.

Malcolm Little aka Malcolm X was a different type of X man. Farrakhan fumed over the Muslim's disrespect of the prophet Elijah whose followers offed the offender. Farrahan the running buddy of Wright who held O in thrawl for two decades. Wright under the bus and the choir director six feet under. Pornography.

And today in the arc of the Middle East the U.S. is used to replace secular regimes with Islamist ones.

To counter future Muslim abhorrence of violence see also Efraim Karsh, Islamic Imperialism: A History.

29 posted on 06/21/2011 1:20:58 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: Sarajevo

Agreed, kick him out with a less than honorable discharge, not an honorable. He signed on the line and took an oath, he’s a malingerer and a moocher.


30 posted on 06/21/2011 1:28:44 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: norton

Uh—didn’t this guy join up? I didn’t realize that we still had a draft.....


31 posted on 06/21/2011 1:29:15 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: PhilDragoo
The only answer to this and a host of other outrages is to de-elect the Islamo-Commie.

Well said and the sooner, the better.

32 posted on 06/21/2011 1:29:55 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

there is , and sadly with the USMC too
The higher you go the worse the problem

We can trust the Believer Christians among them best of all .
Not to career oriented ones


33 posted on 06/21/2011 1:37:43 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: jazusamo

Everything will be alright now that the army dumped those berets.

2012 can’t come soon enough. The Ubama turd and his regime need to be flushed down the toilet, and quick. Hopefully the Republicans will nominate somebody who takes the US military seriously.


34 posted on 06/21/2011 1:52:32 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jazusamo
We've got jihadis in our military and commies in the government, seems like there should be some way to turn these two groups against each other.
35 posted on 06/21/2011 1:59:42 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: PhilDragoo

Hi Phil. Yikes, the headline made me think Hasan had been vindicated! There will be quite an uproar if they try this ploy with a man who killed 12 and wounded 31 people.

But then, we live with ‘new wonders’ every day now......


36 posted on 06/21/2011 2:09:07 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: smoothsailing

Now that’s a great idea. Give each group the other groups names and let them have at it, then patriots can take care of those that remain.


37 posted on 06/21/2011 2:14:45 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Lancey Howard

Amen! We have got to get a CINC that cares for the country and the military.


38 posted on 06/21/2011 2:16:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
I don’t believe I can involve myself in an army that wages war against Muslims. I don’t believe I could sleep at night if I take part, in any way, in the killing of a Muslim.

Seems as though Muslims shouldn't be allowed in the Armed Forces, if they aren't willing to fulfill the oath to protect and defend the United States against ALL foreign enemies, Muslim or not.

39 posted on 06/21/2011 2:16:39 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: drypowder
They took an oath, how does that square with their refusal to serve as lawfully directed?

Islamists have a doctrine which states that it is okay to lie to an Infidel to advance the cause. I do not remember the Arab term for it, but see my post #13.

40 posted on 06/21/2011 2:45:38 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: jazusamo

While the Army is churning out excuses for real Islamic jihadists, homeland inSecurity has redefined the terrorist to be the American population - and in particular has targeted Obama’s political enemies.

Anyone getting the hint here?


41 posted on 06/21/2011 4:22:55 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: jazusamo

Well stated.


42 posted on 06/21/2011 4:25:51 PM PDT by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: verity; jazusamo; Lancey Howard; smoothsailing

All righty then. I think the word the author really wanted to use was vastretchocate. Vastretchocate, as you recall, is the procedure where they make a small incision in the ball sack, reach in with a fish hook welded on the end of a wire, and yank the balls out.

Looks like the UCMJ Article 134 combined with the 18 U.S.C. Chapter 110 otta land this worthless POS in Leavenworth for the max. Dishonorable discharge and he gets to hang with the guys who had no problem putting a 9mm to the heads of his true compatriots and blowing their brains out.


43 posted on 06/21/2011 6:16:52 PM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: bigheadfred; smoothsailing

Sounds to me like the definition of vastretchocate fits this situation perfectly and the ouch factor would be off the charts.


44 posted on 06/21/2011 7:18:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: elcid1970; jazusamo
I found his biography with his picture, and it looks like he is the same one

Biography

M. Zuhdi Jasser is a former U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander. He is the President of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy based in Phoenix, Arizona. AIFD, founded in 2003, is a think tank and activist Muslim organization which provides a platform for an American Muslim movement to separate spiritual Islam from the political. AIFD seeks to build coalitions of Muslims which not only reject the means of terror as an anathema to Islam but more globally reject the ends of the Islamic state which Islamists seek. AIFD believes that the only way to genuinely wage the contest of ideas and counter the root cause of terrorism is for Muslims to be given ample opportunity for debate between one another-- especially within the mosques. AIFD believes that the outcome of these debates will ultimately be the primary method to defeat the ideology of political Islam which ultimately inspires radical Islamism. Dr. Jasser believes that it is essential for devotional Muslims to lead the ideological war against militant Islamism. This Muslim led effort seeks to establish the synergy of Americanism and our Constitutional democracy with a post-modern, pluralistic Islam.


45 posted on 06/22/2011 10:02:16 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks, Kas and good work, that definitely has to be him.

He has a pretty impressive bio. I thought Jasser sounded a little familiar, I’ve read a few of his pieces at FSM and Washington Times.


46 posted on 06/22/2011 10:21:11 AM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

You are welcome. I have seen him on FOX News


47 posted on 06/22/2011 10:26:00 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for doing the research and confirming Jasser’s identity.

However, I remain skeptical about any Muslim who says the religious and political aspects of Islam can somehow be detached from each other. So Jasser wants this debate to take place `within the mosques’? IIRC, eighty percent of mosques in America preach Islamism and hatred of infidels; I doubt if the `peaceful Islam’ proponents would get very far trying to initiate debate. They might be lucky to escape with their lives.

Or, maybe it’s another Trojan horse sanctioned by the Islamists (who are, after all, in the driver’s seat) to lull the Kuffar (us) into dreamy kumbaya. After all, Huma of the Ummah broke practically every rule a Muslimah is supposed to be bound by, and she still has her head.

There’s an exception to every fatwah, and a fatwah for every exception. Or maybe Jasser is just one more of those suave, soft spoken clean-shaven western attired Muslim spokespeople whose own personal brand of Islam would never countenance beheadings or honor killings. Again, I think he has been granted an imamic dispensation, otherwise he’d have to travel with bodyguards like one Robert Spencer.

Or perhaps Jasser is a cafeteria Muslim. In any case, his private version of Islam is not what propells Jihadi terrorism in the world today, nor is it what gives Islamic regimes the license to persecute those who are non-Muslim as well as those who are not Muslim enough.

I would take anything he says with a large grain of salt.


48 posted on 06/22/2011 11:17:38 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: jazusamo

A little behind on checking pings...

This is absolutely nutty but not surprising. We’re a nation paralyzed by “insecurity”. This crap flies because rational minds have ceded authority to the fallacy of absolutely blind, equitable fairness which I suspect is ultimately rooted in not only treason, but more generally, lack of national self-respect. The idiots say we’re not a Constitutional nation unless we tear down the “discriminatory limits” of the Constitution — liberal guilt on steroids. It’s apparently infected the Military.


49 posted on 06/22/2011 8:17:07 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: PhilDragoo

E X C E L L E N T ! ! !

You da’ bomb, Phil!


50 posted on 06/23/2011 12:27:07 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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