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Prohibition Didnít Create Capone
Weekend Libertarian ^ | June 21, 2011 | B.P. Terpstra

Posted on 06/21/2011 4:02:59 PM PDT by AustralianConservative

….But temperance Chicago never created Capone….

To paint Prohibition as a failure is rather simplistic, because it was always a mixed bag. As author Daniel Okrent (no Prohibition lover) explained to Life.com, “People don't realize how much drinking there was in this country before Prohibition. We were awash in booze. In 1830, for example, the per capita consumption of alcohol was three times what it is today -- 90 bottles of booze per year per person over the age of 15. By 1933, drinking was around 70 percent of pre-Prohibition.”

Change isn’t always a straight road. Again, Prohibition was a mixed bag. Jack S. Blocker, Jr, PhD, from the Department of History, Huron University College, University of Western Ontario, explains: “Perhaps the most powerful legacy of National Prohibition is the widely held belief that it did not work. I agree with other historians who have argued that this belief is false: Prohibition did work in lowering per capita consumption. The lowered level of consumption during the quarter century following Repeal, together with the large minority of abstainers, suggests that Prohibition did socialize or maintain a significant portion of the population in temperate or abstemious habits...That is, it was partly successful as a public health innovation. Its political failure is attributable more to a changing context than to characteristics of the innovation itself.”

This is not the message Stossel wants to hear, my guess, but should history be prohibited, to appease libertarian-inspired myths? Another inconvenient truth, noted by Professor Mark H. Moore at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government: arrests for public drunkenness “and disorderly conduct declined 50 percent between 1916 and 1922. For the population as a whole, the best estimates are that consumption of alcohol declined by 30 percent to 50 percent.”

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Health/Medicine; History
KEYWORDS: capone; libertarianism; mythology; prohibition
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1 posted on 06/21/2011 4:03:01 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

Maybe not, but it gave us honey fitz and his besotten killer son teddy and allowed him to buy the Presidency for his other drug-addled son, John (who muddled through pretty well until his untimely demise).

And we all have to admit to the comedy gold that was Jerry Rivers opening up the “tomb” to find 3 empty gin bottles.


2 posted on 06/21/2011 4:09:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: freedumb2003

LOL, good one. I thought I might be fast enough to mention old Joe K., but FReepers are just too quick.


3 posted on 06/21/2011 4:11:29 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: AustralianConservative

Prohibition may not have created Capone. But instead of being just a street thug and petty criminal, Prohibition allowed Capone to become CEO of a Fortune 500 company.

.......along with a little help from old family friend Johnny Torrio.


4 posted on 06/21/2011 4:12:25 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Here you are in the Ninth - two men out and two men on.)
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To: AustralianConservative

Tend to agree. The best book on Prohibition is Norman H. Clark, “Deliver Us from Evil,” a new look at Prohibition.


5 posted on 06/21/2011 4:12:36 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: AustralianConservative

This article is crap. Prohibition did create Capone, and a lot of other gangsters as well.


6 posted on 06/21/2011 4:14:32 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: AustralianConservative
Prohibition wasn't a mixed bag. People who had never drank before took to drinking "because it was illegal and exciting" to visit speak easys. Capone may have been a criminal before prohibition but he became a super criminal after prohibition simply because of the money involved.

Prohibition was a huge failure and so is the so called "war on drugs" we have going now. After repeal of prohibition gangs were quiet for a short period(by gangs I mean the mafia)teenage gangs were virtually harmless because they lacked real weapons until the mob started running drugs to make up for the money lost after prohibition was repealed. Prohibition costs us many freedoms, among them were some second amendment rights that are down the drain forever. The "war on drugs" is costing us even more freedoms, open warfare on the 4th amendment for starters, swat teams shooting down innocents and breaking down doors without legal warrants(no knock warrants are not mentioned in the constitution, therefore they are illegal).

No amount of spin will ever make Prohibition successful.

7 posted on 06/21/2011 4:15:12 PM PDT by calex59
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To: AustralianConservative
..arrests for public drunkenness and disorderly conduct declined 50 percent between 1916 and 1922.

I remember talking with my grandfather many years ago who lived through prohibition. He said that everyone still drank, period. Perhaps events related to drinking declined because people who were drinking did not want to call attention to themselves.

8 posted on 06/21/2011 4:15:58 PM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: AustralianConservative

Shot down in flames...


9 posted on 06/21/2011 4:16:12 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: AustralianConservative
BS meter broken from the strain.

So Prohibition with its bribery,widespread citizen disregard for the law, gang warfare, and all was just great because FOR SOME REASON people were drinking less years later?

How does the author isolate all factors to be sure Prohibition was the only ,or even major, reason alcohol consumption decreased?

10 posted on 06/21/2011 4:16:39 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: AustralianConservative
To paint Prohibition as a failure is rather simplistic, because it was always a mixed bag.

If respect for the right of adults to run their own lives and manage their own affairs is worth anything, Prohibition was a complete, abysmal failure of government.
11 posted on 06/21/2011 4:17:45 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AustralianConservative

I’ve been doing some research on my great grandfather and found that he was arrested during a raid on a speakeasy in Detroit in 1916. 2 years before prohibition.


12 posted on 06/21/2011 4:18:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: freedumb2003

Prohibition didn’t turn people like Capone into thugs but it did turn them into quite wealthy thugs with political power.

So, in 1830 Americans were a bunch of lushes and stayed so until Prohibition. 1830 was soon after the founding of this nation. Hmmm...


14 posted on 06/21/2011 4:21:36 PM PDT by decimon
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To: AustralianConservative
The premise that less alcohol consumption is better for people is false. It is not the govts business, to make the circumstances of my private life better, it is to safeguard me from others. This includes criminals, foreign despots, and the govt itself. I seem to recall that in the late 1700's, as we had the run-up to our Revolution, people also drank much more that the "experts" of today thought appropriate.

Someone once said, "it is not the length of life that is important, but the depth". I'll drink to that.

15 posted on 06/21/2011 4:23:38 PM PDT by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics.)
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To: runninglips
The premise that less alcohol consumption is better for people is false. It is not the govts business, to make the circumstances of my private life better, it is to safeguard me from others. This includes criminals, foreign despots, and the govt itself.

Hear! Hear! There will always be people who believe they have the right to tell others how to live their lives. Such people are a menace to free society, and should be flogged.

16 posted on 06/21/2011 4:32:58 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: runninglips

>>The premise that less alcohol consumption is better for people is false.<<

It gives us our best thread posts!

;)


17 posted on 06/21/2011 4:42:13 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Always A Marine

Is it time to hijack the thread into a WOD discussion...?


18 posted on 06/21/2011 4:43:20 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: AustralianConservative
Considering the "quality" of the water available in the towns and cities (outbreaks of Typhus and Cholera were not uncommon) hard liquor, ale, beer, and wine were the safe bet to drink. Maybe the author thinks Perrier was around in 1830 or that boiled and distilled water tastes just dandy.

In Europe alcohol is still treated as a normal part of most peoples' diets and a meal without it uncivilized. Or shall we be like the teetotaling Wahabbis and Taliban? There's sober behavior we can all emulate. /s

19 posted on 06/21/2011 4:53:11 PM PDT by katana
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If alcohol dehydrates you, then how does that work?

I can take you to the desert and give you all the booze you want, and you will die.


20 posted on 06/21/2011 4:58:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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