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Conservatives may be able to harness youth disillusionment in 2012 (A Liberal mugged becomes...)
Daily Caller ^ | 6-16-11 | Nikki Grey

Posted on 06/23/2011 8:47:54 AM PDT by Mikey_1962

Edward Dooley, 20, was so enchanted with candidate Barack Obama in the 2008 election that, although he was too young to vote, he still traveled from his home in Massachusetts to New Hampshire to knock on doors for Obama in the primary. Now Dooley, a political science major at George Washington University, holds a different opinion of President Obama and the Democratic Party in general.

“For me, Obama had a good amount to do with the reason I changed my political opinions,” Dooley said. “I classify myself as a former Democrat, current conservative.”

Dooley said that part of the reason he no longer supports Obama was that Obama failed to deliver on his “idealistic” promises, including those related to the economy.

Dooley is not alone.

In a recent poll conducted by the polling company, inc./WomanTrend on behalf of Generation Opportunity, 44 percent of respondents age 18-29 don’t approve on how Obama has handled youth unemployment, while only 31 percent approve.

“I think (the election) is going to be much closer than people realize, the question is not for whom young people will vote, but whether they will bother at all,” Kellyanne Conway, founder and president of tpc/WT, said of the poll results. “And it’s not because they are apathetic, but because they are realists and they know what they see, which is high food and fuel prices and massive student loan debt, and what they don’t see, which is a well-paying job and a reason to feel optimistic about their futures.”

That is a far cry from 2008, when Obama’s approval rating among young people soared, something Jason Mattera, author of Obama Zombies, partially attributes to online mass media.

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I too was a wild-eyed Liberal who voted for Carter. Then I got my first real job and found out I was "rich" in eyes of the IRS. Bingo: Conservative.

Churchill said it best: "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

1 posted on 06/23/2011 8:47:55 AM PDT by Mikey_1962
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To: Mikey_1962

:) :) :)


2 posted on 06/23/2011 8:49:56 AM PDT by GoCards (RUN SARAH RUN)
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To: Mikey_1962

The youth may be disappointed in the obama LIES, but the trick will still be getting them to come out and vote.


3 posted on 06/23/2011 8:52:48 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Mikey_1962
Dooley said that part of the reason he no longer supports Obama was that Obama failed to deliver on his “idealistic” promises, including those related to the economy.

Well, the more the merrier but what the hell did Dooley think Obama's 'idealistic promises' were in 2008?

4 posted on 06/23/2011 8:52:51 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Mikey_1962
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

I was a conservative by the time I was a teenager. I guess that means I was wise beyond my years.

5 posted on 06/23/2011 8:55:33 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Mikey_1962

Fortunately that age is being lowered to 22 as college students try to go out and find a job in what they went to school for.


6 posted on 06/23/2011 8:55:46 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Mikey_1962
1976 was my first election as well. I supported Reagan enthusiastically in the primary and then was so disgusted at the county convention when the RINO establishment hijacked half the delegates for Ford as a "compromise" when less than 20% of the actual attendees supported him.

I became a Democrat that day. Still, I didn't vote for Jimmy Carter-- there was something about him which set off my BS detector even at that callow young age. But I punted and voted third party while supporting the rest of the Democrat ticket. Most of my colleagues at the time enthusiastically voted for Jimbo.

It was an entirely different story 2-4 years later as we begin to graduate from college. Double digit interest and inflation rates and high unemployment (albeit not at today's higher rates) had the habit of waking many of us out of our utopian stupor.

7 posted on 06/23/2011 8:56:43 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mikey_1962
Churchill said it best: "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."

I guess I was heartless when my first vote was for Ronald Reagan in 1980.

8 posted on 06/23/2011 8:58:09 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: Mikey_1962

I voted for Carter in 76. I was 18, knew absolutely nothing about politics, US foreign policy or anything else. I figured most of the cute airheaded girls I knew were voting for him. . .

This is why I support raising the voting age to 30. Nuff said


9 posted on 06/23/2011 8:58:27 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: Mikey_1962
"...Obama had a good amount to do with the reason I changed my political opinions..."

That's pretty much how I've thought about the whole 0 thing since McCain blew the '08 election with his stupid...

"You don't have to fear an obama presidency" answerer to a question.

I've thought about it and while I'd be happy to have seen the flop-eared S.O.B. never in office, I think that he is so terrible a president that he will probably be responsible for the democrats being run out of power for the next 50 years.

Hope so anyway.

10 posted on 06/23/2011 8:59:20 AM PDT by skimbell
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To: tsmith130

“Youth” see the “stuff” that people have who are older and have paid their dues.
They either don’t understand the paying dues part, or they simply don’t want to pay their dues to get the “stuff”.

The left plays on this, touting “fairness”, but in reality, the implied promise is “we’ll take their stuff and give it to you”, and mostly the “we’ll take” part appeals to [young] human nature.


11 posted on 06/23/2011 8:59:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Mikey_1962

Same here. I made up for it by voting for Reagan - both times - as a conservative Democrat. I have long since left the democrat party.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me! :-)


12 posted on 06/23/2011 9:00:04 AM PDT by sneakers ("Obama is like the dog that chased a car and caught it. Now he doesn't know what to do with it.")
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To: Mikey_1962

I’ve notice with some liberals that they won’t admit the truth about their candidate because it would admit they are wrong.


13 posted on 06/23/2011 9:03:04 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: Mikey_1962

I troll on a forum where there are a lot of 20-somethings.
Many of whom are unemployed or hugely underemployed.

In 2009 Obama was God.
In 2010 it was still Bush’s fault.
These days I’m seeing some common sense seeping in.

The “yutes” may not vote R, but they may well not vote at all.


14 posted on 06/23/2011 9:03:21 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Mikey_1962

I don’t think the election will be close at all. The pot smoking Amish and disillusioned left will stay home and we will be out in DROVES to cleanse ourselves of this Marxist filth who belongs in prison.


15 posted on 06/23/2011 9:03:35 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Thane_Banquo
I burned a lot of shoe leather walking precincts for Nixon when I was in 6th grade. Ditto for Reagan when the time came. It was all I could do at a time when I was too young to vote.
16 posted on 06/23/2011 9:03:53 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: freeangel

My 23 year old future daughter-in-law was an idealistic lib who voted for Obama. She’s now a die-hard conservative who can’t wait to vote the Loser-in-Chief out of office! Woohoo!!


17 posted on 06/23/2011 9:03:55 AM PDT by sneakers ("Obama is like the dog that chased a car and caught it. Now he doesn't know what to do with it.")
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To: Mikey_1962

Anecdotal crap.

They won’t vote for us and we won’t vote for them. We need numbers and motivation. but trying to change minds among liberals is delusional at best. It wastes time and energy.

Moving on.


18 posted on 06/23/2011 9:04:01 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: thethirddegree

I agree with you totally UNLESS the Baraqqis can pull of a Romney nomination via open primary states and a subsequent Tea Party challenger.

In a 3-way race, I think Baraq has a decent shot at a Clintonian plurality win. I believe Baraq has rock solid support in the 37-40% range.


19 posted on 06/23/2011 9:05:49 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Mikey_1962

I guess I never had a heart because I have never been a liberal. Even through school, when they tried to pedal a political agenda in science, literature, and history classes, I always saw through the BS. I have never been a religious person either, though I do believe in God and am fascinated by the Bible from a historical perspective. I am 32 years old and a former alcoholic (at least that is what everyone told me when I got my 2nd DUI at 22) that beat the disease on my own (never could get in line with the AA cult either). If things aren’t working for you, you just change your thought process. I can now enjoy a beer here and there, but haven’t gotten drunk in ages. No more trouble since the 2nd DUI, married, 2 year old son, home owner, good well paid job etc.

I guess I am just skeptical about everything and I have just never been one to simply believe what I am told or engage in group think.


20 posted on 06/23/2011 9:07:22 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601
I guess I never had a heart because I have never been a liberal.

Same here. At most I was more of a moderate than I am today. I grew up in a rural community where I was seldom exposed to liberal ideologies.
21 posted on 06/23/2011 9:11:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Mikey_1962
meh, I'll believe it when I see it.

I think that it's more likely they just don't bother to show up and vote. Which is OK with me, too.

22 posted on 06/23/2011 9:12:06 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Mikey_1962
As long as conservatives don't forsake their principles to lure disillusioned young voters, that'd be very cool. Rather, conservatives should take this opportunity to demonstrate the rightness (pun intended) of their platform.

For instance, rather than echoing the "jobs Americans won't do" and "nation of immigrants" lies, conservatives need to show young people how illegal scumbag aliens are taking money out of our economy...money that could be used to create jobs for American college grads. Instead of playing along with eco-nuttiness, we conservatives need to teach young people about how each green job kills two and a half other jobs (as has been demonstrated in Spain), how wind and solar will never come close to meeting our energy demands, and how AGW is nothing but a hoax designed to steal money away from us and give it to the UN.

I'd love to see a fresh, new generation of conservatives come out of their government school Leftist indoctrination cocoons, but only if they do so because they see the rightness of our philosophy, and the wrongness of what they've always been told. If they're making their metamorphosis just because they can't find a job right now, they could easily shift right back to their Lefty views as soon as the crisis is over. Big Tentism has destroyed the GOP, and turned it into The Stupid Party. Let's not sell out our philosophy in exchange for a short-term political gain in 2012.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

23 posted on 06/23/2011 9:12:35 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: Mikey_1962

Edward Dooley is a good boy. Didn’t vote. No real harm done. I know for a fact he’s in a huge minority at GWU as a conservative. The ones that voted in ‘08 for the kenyan and have changed their minds since, I do not give slack. No excuse for that kind of stupidity.


24 posted on 06/23/2011 9:16:02 AM PDT by albie
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To: Mikey_1962
I too was a wild-eyed Liberal who voted for Carter. Then I got my first real job and found out I was "rich" in eyes of the IRS. Bingo: Conservative.

Actually, my first vote went to jimmah too, but back then, there were not many Republicans in Texas. The dims back then are now much more conservative. I think there are a lot of disillusioned yutes that will vote against zero or stay home.

25 posted on 06/23/2011 9:16:44 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: tsmith130
Dooley said that part of the reason he no longer supports Obama was that Obama failed to deliver on his “idealistic” promises, including those related to the economy.

Well, the more the merrier but what the hell did Dooley think Obama's 'idealistic promises' were in 2008?

The problem with "idealistic promises" is they lead to "good intentions" which inevitably result in "unintended consequences."

26 posted on 06/23/2011 9:18:02 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: Mikey_1962

It takes a CARTER to get a REAGAN!


27 posted on 06/23/2011 9:20:48 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: cripplecreek

I was exposed to the left. and was heartless at a very young age.


28 posted on 06/23/2011 9:29:19 AM PDT by DWC (historian)
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To: Mikey_1962

This is why you cannot rely on the youth vote. People that age are often quite fickle in voting patterns, or in anything really. Their brains have not yet matured to the point of being steady and consistent.


29 posted on 06/23/2011 9:31:48 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: wku man

A ‘teachable moment’ coming up on July 4. I will stand before my wife’s entire family, around 40 strong counting everyone from my wife’s mom down to the great-grandchildren, before we fire up the pyrotechnics, to expound for 1 minute on freedom. I did this two years ago, too, with my stars and stripes high on a hand-held pole. We all must grab our family by their shirts and explain that we must fight for Americanism and reject those who would put us in chains. We are in the fight for our very lives.


30 posted on 06/23/2011 9:33:20 AM PDT by AlexisHeavyMetal1981 (we must remain true to the red,white and blue)
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To: freeangel

The “youths” not voting is almost as good as getting them to vote conservative.

But I’m sure the Democrats will have some way to make Obama “cool” again...


31 posted on 06/23/2011 9:34:10 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: MuttTheHoople
Heartless? Better that than brainless.

My first vote was for Nixon in '72. And I had the chance to tell him that to his face in a hotel lobby in Prague when he was traveling in Eastern Europe as an "elder statesman", the year before he passed away. If you were "heartless" to vote for Reagan in '80 my vote as an 18 year old for Tricky Dick must make me a prince of darkness.

32 posted on 06/23/2011 9:34:34 AM PDT by katana
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To: Mikey_1962

I was raised in a liberal democrat home. I also came out of high school in the middle of the Carter years. I would msot likely be classified as a Reagan democrat who ever went back. I see this in my 19 yo and 17 yo nephews.They are very vocally anti Obama.


33 posted on 06/23/2011 9:35:50 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: MuttTheHoople

I guess I’ve been heartless since about age 6 or 8... Thats when my dad taught me the difference between communism and free enterprise using my allowance and my sister’s...


34 posted on 06/23/2011 9:36:53 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

A mugged Liberal becomes a Liberal that has been mugged. It was Bush’s fault, their fault for having something the mugger wanted. If Bush had not disfranchaised and repressed the mugger, he would not have mugged me is the way their thought process works. A mugged Liberal becomes a Liberal with a sore head, nothing more and much less.


35 posted on 06/23/2011 9:38:33 AM PDT by sport
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To: sneakers

You’ve been a very good influence!


36 posted on 06/23/2011 9:39:34 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: cripplecreek

I have actually become slightly more “moderate” with age. I went from “me, mine, and to heck with everybody to else” to “there, but for the grace of God, go I.”
But at least, I only do it with my own money and don’t vote that way.


37 posted on 06/23/2011 9:40:22 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: nascarnation
In 2009 Obama was God.
In 2010 it was still Bush’s fault.
These days I’m seeing some common sense seeping in.

The “yutes” may not vote R, but they may well not vote at all.

That's an all-too-common progression from liberalism, to conservatism. The next step is a self-determined examination of 'the other side', which is propelled by sheer anger and disgust at their former party.

I know that path well. I walked it myself.

38 posted on 06/23/2011 9:41:44 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: chris_bdba

LOL! Actually, it was my ultra-conservative son! (but I helped!)


39 posted on 06/23/2011 9:42:55 AM PDT by sneakers ("Obama is like the dog that chased a car and caught it. Now he doesn't know what to do with it.")
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To: MuttTheHoople

“I guess I was heartless when my first vote was for Ronald Reagan in 1980. “

That makes two of us.


40 posted on 06/23/2011 9:44:12 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: dragonblustar

“I’ve notice with some liberals that they won’t admit the truth about their candidate because it would admit they are wrong.”

It’s called arrogance of opinion or in the case of a union member, “group think” and most all liberals have it up to their eyeballs.


41 posted on 06/23/2011 9:47:16 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: dragonblustar
I’ve notice with some liberals that they won’t admit the truth about their candidate because it would admit they are wrong.

If it is any indication, I've certainly noticed quite a lot fewer autos with the ubiquitous Obama stickers here in liberal Sonoma county.

42 posted on 06/23/2011 9:50:46 AM PDT by GunsAndBibles (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Mikey_1962

My first presidential election was 1984 and I turned 18 the prior April. Presented to me was the choice of “Fritz and Titz” or President Reagan. I pulled the lever for President Reagan without hesitation or holding my nose ! I voted for GHWB in ‘88 and I held my nose. I never liked him too much and I didn’t appreciate his jabs at Reagan such as talking about “Kinder, Gentler Nation” which IMHO was a big jab at Reagan’s no nonsense, no B.S. way of doing things. I was right about Bush Sr. especially how he caved into the democrat’s agenda and with Reagan, he wouldn’t give in to them.

There are a couple of people I would be happy to vote for and not hold my nose. Rand and Ron Paul and Sarah Palin and forgot, Herman Cain and Col. West. I don’t want another Bush, Romney or others “approved” by the establishment to be on the ticket in 2012.


43 posted on 06/23/2011 9:52:27 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: sneakers

Congratulations! I wish that our son would show some conservative values—but then , he’s young and stupid and at least didn’t vote for obama.


44 posted on 06/23/2011 9:54:00 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Little Ray

I know what you mean. I didn’t get an allowance unless I worked for it.

From the time I was 10 years old, I worked at my Dad’s Gas Station on Saturdays to “earn” my allowance.

One Saturday, when I was twelve, I was complaining to one of my Dad’s employees that my friends were all having fun while I had to work that day. All of a sudden my Dad taps me on the shoulder and tells me “Nobody owes you a living”, so shut up and get back to work.

I have followed my Dad’s “advice” for the past 45 years.
That is the primary reason I hate Liberals. They think I owe them a living.


45 posted on 06/23/2011 9:54:14 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (After the Commies take over, Moderates will become an endangered species...)
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To: freeangel
The youth may be disappointed in the obama LIES, but the trick will still be getting them to come out and vote.

The real trick is getting the GOP to nominate someone who isn't a RINO.

46 posted on 06/23/2011 10:01:17 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: katana; Thane_Banquo; Arrowhead1952; Mikey_1962; sneakers; MrB; atc23; MuttTheHoople
If you were "heartless" to vote for Reagan in '80 my vote as an 18 year old for Tricky Dick must make me a prince of darkness.

Nixon won 52% of the 18 to 29 year old vote in 1972.

In 1968 the Democrats won 47% of the (21) to 29 year old vote, in 1972, they won 46% of the 18 to 29 age group, in 1976, after Watergate, and with the weak, moderate (and under suspicion) Ford, against what appeared to be a social conservative Democrat with a strong military back ground, the Democrats picked up 51% of the 18 to 29 year old vote.

In 1980 Democrats got 44% of that age group, 1984-40%, 1988-47%.

It wasn't until 1992 that the age group became a Democrat voter group, George W. did get 46% and 45% though.

The 66% that Obama won, is unprecedented and doesn't bode well for the future.

47 posted on 06/23/2011 11:29:34 AM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: All

The story of the 2012 election will be those who DIDN’T turn out to vote....the thrill is gone....


48 posted on 06/23/2011 11:37:55 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: ansel12

I doubt that half of that unprecedented number of yutes will be interested to vote in 2012. There are plenty of college grads from 2008 to present that can’t find a job and living at home.


49 posted on 06/23/2011 11:41:20 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (zero hates Texas and we hate him back. He ain't my president either.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

My dad was either studying or teaching a book called “Democracy and Totalitarianism.” I remarked that I thought communism sounded okay to me (no doubt thinking about the easy money I’d get out of others). My dad pooled my allowance with my sister’s and split it evenly between us. Now I was older and had more chores than my sister and more allowance. Talk about sudden enlightenment!


50 posted on 06/23/2011 11:52:13 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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