Skip to comments.Half of Americans want Congress to probe Obama's eligibility
Posted on 06/26/2011 2:37:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters
Half of Americans would like to see Congress investigate Barack Obama's eligibility for the presidency and nearly that many believe the definition of the constitutional term "natural born citizen" means both parents must be U.S. citizens, according to a new scientific poll.
"There's no marginalizing those who want this matter investigated by Congress," said Fritz Wenzel of Wenzel Strategies, who conducted the WND/Wenzel Poll telephone survey June 16-19. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.85 points.
"Even among Democrats, more than one in four 28 percent said they now want an inquiry, as do 43 percent of independents and 77 percent of Republicans. Interestingly, men are much more skeptical than are women about the question of eligibility only 42 percent of men said they think Obama proved his eligibility by releasing the electronic birth certificate, compared to 59 percent of women."
The poll indicated 43.5 percent of Americans believe that a Hawaii birth would make no difference in Obama's eligibility, as the Constitution requires both parents of a U.S. president to have been U.S. citizens and Obama's father was not a citizen.
The figure included 56.9 percent of the GOP, 40.2 percent of independents and 32.9 percent of Democrats.
The eligibility saga, as Wenzel noted, has taken on a life of its own. It began with questions about Obama's birth place and parentage before his election. At that time, he released a computer image of a "Certification of Live Birth" from Hawaii and insisted it was original and the only document available.
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
Original Long form birth certificates are sealed and archived by Order of the Court when an adoption is finalized. A new C.O.L.B. is created with the new parent(s) name listed as the birth parent(s) and a name change for the adopted child may be formalized, as well.
Obamas history is confusing because the Soetoro adoption was annulled. For example, Lolo Soetoro became Barrys Obamas stepfather when he married Barrys mom. Lolo Soetoro became Barry Soetoros paternal father listed on Barrys new C.O.L.B. (Soetoro C.O.L.B.) when the adoption was finalized. Lolo Soetoro was stripped of his rights as the paternal parent when Obama Sr. returned to Hawaii and complained the Soetoro adoption should be annulled because he was not notified nor did he consent. Lolo Soetoro became Barack Hussein Obamas II stepfather after the adoption annulment. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. was listed on BHOs II C.O.L.B. as the paternal parent.
The annulled adoption stripped Lolo Soetoro of his parental rights but not his marriage. BHOs II medical, immunization, and school records with the name Barry Soetoro are sealed by Court Order. Barry Soetoro becomes persona non grata. BHO II can legally state he has never used a name different than BHO II.
An American Refugee Resettlement Organization maintained legal custody of BHO II until he turned 18. His case manager in Connecticut filed his SS-5 with the SSA in 1976-1977 using his status as a Permanent Legal Resident in the United States as his qualifications. A document examiner with the SSA reviewed and verified the SS-5 and its supporting documents. An alpha-numeric code is generated as a result of this document examination. BHOs II PRA field is marked with a Y (Permanent Resident Alien = Yes).
Obama’s SS-5, Application for SSN, was filed on his behalf by a case manager at an American Refugee Resettlement Organzation. If Obama would make his SS-5 public, then we could find out who had custody of him in the mid-seventies and drill down to the circumstances of Obama acquiring his Certificate of Naturalization.
The only question I have is, when Wenzel talks, do Farah’s lips move...
The following is my opinion: until such a time as the majority of states have a process by which candidates to national office, President and V. President, must prove they are natural born citizens, there will be no way to assure candidates meet the Article II, Section 1, eligibility requirement.
Until then, there exists no way to assure the integrity of any candidate running for national office.
I think it is the half that has a brain. The other half can’t see past their nose.
Still, I would be more comfortable with Congress looking into this than with the courts trying to write a brand new law requiring some kind of proof. We don't need activist judges. That's a dangerous game. Even if you think you agree with the results, it's still dangerous and outside the constitutional separation of powers.
The problem isn't so much that Obama isn't a natural born citizen. The bigger problem, and the one that will destroy this country, is that 52% of the voters thought he would make a good president. That points out a serious educational problem with constitutional knowledge and the appropriate roll of the Federal government. He was a known liberal/progressive/socialist, and it was known that he had radical, revolutionary socialists and communists that advised him. Yet the people still voted for him. That's the problem.
Getting rid of him on this "technicality" won't solve the underlying problem. We'll just have another socialist to deal with after the next election if we don't educate our fellow voters to prevent candidates like this from winning in future elections.
You’ve been asked this before, Sven, but I’ll query again - please provide a source or link.
I, too, have information about Obama, his birth in Africa, for which I cannot provide a source. They people involved do not want to die.
So if the source cannot be named, I understand. But anything is better than suspecting you’ve either made this up or have firsthand information and do not wish to be fingered.
Hitler would have fit this description.
The fanfare was generated by the leftists in the media. I wonder how many of them believe his certificate is real. I would say that many to most don't care anyway. The end justified the means. They believe that the Constitution is merely a stumbling block.
Funny nobody brought this up until after Obama was elected.
Damn, the Weeper will need slapped to stop the sobbing over this job,His Golfing Boss yet!
Try being proactive and research this issue yourself without the drama.
Don’t ask the question, “Where is Obama’s birth certificate?”
Ask and research the question, “Under what circumstance does the registrar of vital records for any state remove the Original Long Form BC and secure it in a separate location?”
“Under what circumstance can a person have more than one SSN obtained by filing more than one original application for SSN?”
Note: Don’t believe the misinformation a person can have only one SSN throughout their entire life. Some people do have more than one SS-5 with the SSA and it is not fraudulent.
“Why do intelligent people ignore Barry Soetoro’s school record?”
Funny nobody brought this up until after Obama was elected.
just as there have been many top scientists for years saying global warming is a hoax.
but “bringing something up” isn’t always easy.
also, most of us, myself including, TRUSTED our elected officials, to do their sworn duties, and uphold their oaths to the Constitution.
so most of us DID believe, and didn’t bother to check, until a few lonely voices like Satindoll began to be heard.
What do you think of him?
These scientists never get the press.
Same machinations, different hoax.
SatinDoll, her research and integrity, is one of the reasons i joined FR.
you make interesting points. but dissing her, is NOT impressing me.
and, this is IMPORTANT. our COUNTRY is at stake.
you have done the research, yet you refuse to share it openly and freely ?
and you accuse others of being a drama queen?
if you have REAL info that will help us get rid of Obama, then why wouldn’t you simply answer her REPEATED question?
“Try being proactive and research this issue yourself without the drama.”
That’s avoidance of answering the request for a source by accusing me of being ‘dramatic’.
I’ve been researching Obama’s background since March, 2008. This was the normal pattern for me, researching the backgrounds of candidates, that I used every national election.
In researching Obama, it was a bizarre experience. Information was literally being scrubbed from archives as I went about looking for info. The final sources of information, the last to be scrubbed, was African news journals, and those overwhelmingly described Barak H. Obama, II, as born in Kenya.
The summer of 2008 I determined, to my satisfaction, that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S.
A year ago I was contacted by someone with information about a family of missionaries, two of whom had been assassinated in Kenya, because one of them had accompanied Stanley Ann Dunham and her newborn son from Kenya back to the U.S.A. in August, 1961.
I call that tragic, not dramatic.
And I have not ignored Barry Soetoro’s school record.
A private investigator, Neil Sankey, discovered Soetoro used a ‘SSN’ number beginning with a 999-xx-xxxx prefix while attending Occidental College. This isn’t a SSN but a tracking number used by the federal government to keep tabs on foreign students receiving education aid.
People are always throwing around the notion that because Congress is not going to investigate and impeach him, and no prosecutor is going to investigate, and no court wants to get involved hearing the merits of it, that questions about Obama’s eligibility should be just flushed down the memory hole and we should stop talking about it.
But these polls show that the long stonewalling by Obama and the questions surrounding what he has released do hurt Obama with the public.
It’s like his violating the Constitution and the War Powers Act to launch a war against Libya without authorization from Congress.
It’s true that Congress will never impeach him for his unconstitutional and illegal action. And it is unlikely any court will agree to hear any such case on the merits.
But still, his launching the Libya war does hurt him with a significant portion of the public.
These are negatives that with other issues have a cumulative impact on Obama’s image going into the reelection.
I was wondering the same thing.
Half of America believes in the two U.S. citizen parent "requirement" of NBC? And nobody brought this up during the campaign? Really?
It isn’t only his birth certificate I want investigated. It is his Social Security number, hie passport records, His college records and who paid the bills. his Pakistan trip withhis Homosexual room mate what he did between the time he bcame a community organiser, why he went to Chicago to live, when he was raised in Hawaii.
Many thing just do not jibe.
Doesn’t matter; it’s been a long time since congress answered to the will of the people.
The real issue was that the MSM was FAR more interested in investigating the background of Joe the plumber Wurzelbacher than they were of Baraq Hussein Obama.
So true ... so true ...
In 2008, the MSM knew it was far more important to determine the status of Joe the plumber Wurzelbacher’s trade license than anything in the background of B. Hussein Obama.
The American electorate has no standing apparently. Sadly, NBC means nothing. No one wants to touch this racially-charged, nuclear, toxic, historic, fraud-filled Constitutional crisis with a 10-foot pole. But, it’s worth the pain.
Can you provde a source for any of that? Why would 0dumbo be put into a refugee program ?
Provide a link to the Refugee Resettlement Organization you listed as taking control of 0dumbo after Soetoro and Stanley Ann divorced.
Natural born citizens don’t need refugee resettlement organizations. Why? Because they are **NATURAL BORN CITIZENS**!!!
“Information was literally being scrubbed from archives as I went about looking for info.”
Yes! Yes! Yes!
How does somebody; not just Obama, but any American, get an Original Long Form BC scrubbed from a divorce record finalized over 40 years ago?
One answer would be the Court was presented a post-divorce adoption record where the Court had sealed and archived the Original Long Form BC and Ordered the registrar to create a new COLB with the new parent(s) and post-adoption child’s new name on it. The Original Long Form BC is legally void and cannot be used in any legal proceeding or administrative action in any state or Federal Court. Courts scrubb family records to protect the privacy of the adoptee.
Don’t attack me because you choose not to research standardized adoption procedures, annulment procedures and foster care procedures. Of course, Obots want you to spend your time trying to obtain a sealed and archived Original Long Form BC. Even if you get it, it’s legally void and cannot be used in Court.
Spend your time on something useful. For example, Obama regained his US Citizenship through the naturalization process. He has a Certificate of Naturalization on file with the USCIS. Another good place to research is to examine the results of the document examination of Obama’s application for SSN. If he filed as an Permanent Resident Alien, then the PRA Field on the application will have a “Y” in it.
I’ve given a detailed analysis of Obama’s eligibility problem and you’ve doubted me. If I posted Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization, then you’d say I forged it. Don’t take my word for it. Research it.
“if you have REAL info that will help us get rid of Obama, then why wouldnt you simply answer her REPEATED question?”
I’ve told you how to find answers to all of your questions and you attack me for not spoon feeding it to you. If I posted Obama’s Certificate of Naturalization online, then you’d be the first one to call me a forger.
Satisfy your own curiosity with your own research.
One problem with this, which I have pointed out to you many times: Children do not lose their US citizenship via adoption, parent's remarriage, etc.
In the past you came up with a wild-eyed theory that some one high up in the administration made an exception, with no good reason why this should be so.
OK. I will.
posted on on November 26, 2008 11:42:33 PM EST by so_real
This is the first time you posted anything supporting the two U.S. parent "requirement" of NBC. Prior to this, you dabbled in dual citizenship as early as October '08 but I can find nothing about the two citizen parent issue prior to the link I posted.
If you know of an earlier post, please correct me.
November 19th, 2008 is the first post I can find on Free Republic arguing that Obama is ineligible because NBC requires both parents to be U.S. citizens. This is well after Obama was elected and corresponds to Leo Donofrio raising the issue.
Prior to the election and prior to Donofrio, nothing. Yet people now claim this alleged "requirement" is the law of the land, always has been, and is not subject to debate.
What I do not understand is how we have not impeached him because of starting an unnecessary war. We impeached Nixon, and I still don’t know the reason why we tossed him out. What did he do that merited impeachment?.
“Getting rid of him on this “technicality” won’t solve the underlying problem. We’ll just have another socialist to deal with after the next election if we don’t educate our fellow voters to prevent candidates like this from winning in future elections.”
I’m in total agreement...how do you propose to go about educating the voters? I certainly don’t have a clue how to do it, I can’t even begin to comprehend how they got to be so stupid in the first place.
Actually Nixon resigned. But you're right, there was a good chance he would have been tossed out if it came to a Senate trial. It was another case of "the cover up is worse than the original issue."
If you have interfaced with your Congressperson lately, it is quite apparent that they really don’t care what you think. They will do what they want to do. The reason that they can is that they have a high reelection rate. We really do need to throw the bums out.
Our political dirty tricksters weren't quite as sneaky as theirs. That, and they were in total control of the media, so they could fertilize a story until they grew it into a fully blossomed scandal. And Nixon was not a likable guy.
A thousand times more effort has gone into reading a former Alaskan governor’s e-mail than ever has been exerted by the media to investigate Obama.
A thousand times more effort has gone into reading a former Alaskan governor’s e-mail than ever has been exerted by the media to investigate Obama.
“Ive given a detailed analysis of Obamas eligibility problem and youve doubted me.”
No, I haven’t doubted you, I just want to use the same information BECAUSE it is powerful, particularly your statement about an American Refugee Resettlement Organization.
Since everyone asks me for the reference source when I post stuff, I therefore asked you, “...what was your source?”. This isn’t doubt, Sven; it’s admiration.
Didn't AP assign about 10 fact-checkers to comb through Palin's book? They didn't even investigate W's life as thoroughly.
Every member of the Supreme Court, every member
of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DOD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and
state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama
does NOT meet Article II Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.
But not ONE member of Americas most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal
on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity
are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup.
The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated
only by political self-preservation.
Americans keep asking what they can do because
they see that none of their leaders are doing
anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. Its the right question, because those leaders
are NOT going to stop this thing.
Canada Free Press proof of Bo threat if media discussed bc
The Left HAD to get rid of Nixon. The reason wasn't important. It could have been for spitting on the sidewalk, or using the wrong fork at a state dinner.
As long as Nixon was in power, South Vietnam was viable and could have developed like South Korea did. The U.S. and South Vietnam had successfully eliminiated the guerilla threat from the Viet Cong. The process of Vietnamization of the military forces defending the south was nearly complete. The only way North Vietnam could conquer the south was through a conventional invasion with long columns of tanks and armored personnel carriers and towed guns. Because of the limited entry points for a motorized conventional army into the south, it was a perfect target for US air attack which would quickly turn any invasion route into a "highway of death" and had no chance.
A conventional invasion of the south was a violation of the Paris Peace Accords, and Nixon told everyone that if the north invaded the south, he would bomb.
After 1968 the Left took control of the Democratic Party and the Mainstream Media, and was fully invested in the defeat of South Vietnam. If South Vietnam survived and prospered like South Korea and developed over time into a reasonably free and successful country, then everything the Left said in the 1960s would have been shown wrong and Nixon right.
That could not be tolerated. Nixon had to go. The Left with a weaker president and enough votes in Congress could cut off aid to South Vietnam and prevent the bombing of a northern invasion force. And that is exactly what they did.
If South Vietnam did not survive then the Leftwing myth about American imperialism and corrupt capitalism and militarism and oppression of indigenous peoples would live on in countless Hollywood movies and books and the Mainstream Media and be indoctrinated in generations of American schoolchildren. If South Vietnam did survive as a free and prosperous country then all of that would be exploded as a lie.
THAT is why Nixon faced impeachment and resigned.
ping for later, maybe.
Nixon was NOT impeached NOR tossed out! He resigned under threat of impeachment. Had he not resigned he would have been impeached and possibly removed from office. Bill Clinton on the other hand WAS impeached but not removed from office. For some reason a lot of people seem to believe that Nixon WAS impeached and Clinton WAS NOT impeached, the exact opposite of reality.
That really enrages me after you lay it out like that.
That is true with Senator KYL of Az. He has jumped the shark now that he has determined not to run again.
What I do not understand is how we have not impeached him because of starting an unnecessary war. We impeached Nixon, and I still dont know the reason why we tossed him out. What did he do that merited impeachment?.
“... candidates to national office, President and V. President, must prove they are natural born citizens ...”
Absolutely. It is up to them to prove they are eligible, not this crazy situation where we have to prove they are not.
Funny how you keep repeating that lie, obamanoid n00b.
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