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Half of Americans want Congress to probe Obama's eligibility
WND ^ | June 26, 2011 | Bob Unruh

Posted on 06/26/2011 2:37:43 PM PDT by RobinMasters

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To: RipSawyer
RipSawyer wrote:
I’m in total agreement...how do you propose to go about educating the voters? I certainly don’t have a clue how to do it, I can’t even begin to comprehend how they got to be so stupid in the first place.
The voters are more ignorant than stupid. Ignorance can be cured by information and teaching.

I can't give you a known good answer, but I can tell you the plan we have down here in my corner of Florida. Our local 9-12 Project and our local TEA Party are working on this. We have one advantage. In Florida, every voter actually signs an oath to uphold and protect the Constitution of the United States. I know that some other states have this on their voter registration applications. And some don't have an explicit oath for voters. Every state has that as part of the oath of office for state offices (State representative, state senator, governor and other elected offices), and also for local offices (mayors, city council and county commission positions, sheriffs, police chiefs, fire chiefs, etc.).

Our plan is to first, to make the voters aware of their own oath, and of the oath of office for everyone from city Council and County Commissioners up to the Governor, and Congress, Senate and POTUS. Also, we are handing out copies of the Constitution and founding documents. I personally have enough "pocket constitutions" that I plan to give one to every voter in my precinct. I introduce myself to my neighbors, point out that they've sworn an oath to uphold and protect our founding documents, values and principles, and ask them if they've read the Constitution lately. Then, it's, "Here, let me give you a copy." I also have a sheet inserted pointing out the importance of the 10th Amendment, and the limitations of Article 1 Section 8, which contains a list of the only "powers" we the people have delegated to the Federal government and the United States Congress.

We also have "Newsletters" (both email and in print) showing how our local officials have been "defending the constitution" in their own local duties (or acting against the oath they took, if they are ignoring Constitutional limits) and whether they are, for example, requesting "federal grant money" that is outside the powers of the Congress as defined in Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution.

Our 9-12ers and TEA Partiers also attend all city, county commission, county school board meetings and observe and ask questions. If, for example, the Sheriff is planning on some project, and he proposes to ask for a federal grant to help pay for the project, we ask, "Sheriff, you've sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Perhaps you can explain, where in Article 1, Section 8 of that document we gave the United States Congress the power to tax the people of Wisconsin, Idaho and Arizona to pay for this project for a Sheriff's department here in Florida?"

Our "Constitutional Patriots" will then let the voters in our precincts know how our local, state and federal officials and representatives are doing from a Constitutional perspective. By primary election time, we will also provide lists of candidates who have either proven records of complete respect for the constitution, or challenging candidates who have pledged to do better than the incumbents from the constitutional perspective.

51 posted on 06/26/2011 7:21:50 PM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: so_real
I was just on a thread the other day where the statement "nothing before November" was debunked.

Debunked? Not quite. Almost all of those links discussing parental citizenship were contingent upon Obama being born in Kenya. Only a couple of posters considered the idea that a Hawaiian-born Obama might be ineligible but only because his mother was not old enough to transmit citizenship.

Yes, people were talking about ineligibility prior to the election but the Vattel definition that requires both parents to be U.S. citizens, period, wasn't brought up until Donofrio brought it up first. And this was November, 2008. You (and apparently everyone else but me) might have learned about this in civics class but nobody was talking about it until after Obama was elected.

52 posted on 06/26/2011 7:37:15 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: MHGinTN

LoL. Like I predicted, the poll numbers are going back to where they were before Obama tried to hoodwink the public again with another forgery.


53 posted on 06/26/2011 9:50:00 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Hitler would have fit this description.
***Hitler went right to work fixing the economy of Germany, “repairing holes in the social fabric” (if you can call it that), and rebuilding German morale. As a result he was very popular to the average German just a few short years later, so popular that they willingly followed that madman into bloodthirsty world war.

I gather what you mean by saying that Hitler fit the description was that he came into the office with such fanfare. Reminds me of a joke about deciding to poop or go blind — How do you know a leftist isn’t taking a poop when he’s on the can? Because he’s willingly going blind.


54 posted on 06/26/2011 11:21:56 PM PDT by Kevmo (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all. ~Ronald Reagan)
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To: RobinMasters
Half of Americans want Congress to probe Obama's eligibility

What a coincidence - half of San Fransicko wants to probe Obama.

55 posted on 06/26/2011 11:23:41 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Gena Bukin; so_real
Debunked? Not quite. Almost all of those links discussing parental citizenship were contingent upon Obama being born in Kenya. Only a couple of posters considered the idea that a Hawaiian-born Obama might be ineligible but only because his mother was not old enough to transmit citizenship.

Yes, people were talking about ineligibility prior to the election but the Vattel definition that requires both parents to be U.S. citizens, period, wasn't brought up until Donofrio brought it up first. And this was November, 2008. You (and apparently everyone else but me) might have learned about this in civics class but nobody was talking about it until after Obama was elected.

Gena, let me type slowly since you don't seem to be able to read very fast.

In post #19 of this thread, you stated: November 19th, 2008 is the first post I can find on Free Republic arguing that Obama is ineligible because NBC requires both parents to be U.S. citizens. This is well after Obama was elected and corresponds to Leo Donofrio raising the issue.

So we're clear now that you claim nobody mentioned two citizen parents prior to Nov 19, 2008. Correct?

so_real pointed you to a post which you apparently didn't completely read. Here, let me excerpt a couple of quotes from said post:

Citizens is plural, as in both mother and father. It does not read, child or children of a citizen, singular.

36 posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:36:46 PM by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)


Also, both parents have to be American citizens and the candidate has to be born in this country. Questions have been raised about the eligibility of both candidates, especially Obama, and there should be no problem in verifying the information....

45 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:44:18 AM by Dante3


This issue also came up in 1968, when George Romney (Mitt’s dad) ran for the GOP nomination. George Romney was born in Mexico of American parents. The consensus then was that the fact that both parents were US citizens meant that he qualified as “natural-born,” even though he was born outside the US.

48 posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 11:48:31 AM by cookcounty (Obama reach across the aisle? He’s so far to the left, he’ll need a roadmap to FIND the aisle.)

There, I even highlighted the relevant parts for you.

In case you want to do more research, let me get you started with this Google search where you can find more examples, if you're willing to dig a little.

56 posted on 06/26/2011 11:37:57 PM PDT by WildSnail (The US government now has more control over the people than the old Soviet Union ever dreamed of)
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To: SatinDoll
...A private investigator, Neil Sankey, discovered Soetoro used a ‘SSN’ number beginning with a 999-xx-xxxx prefix while attending Occidental College. This isn’t a SSN but a tracking number used by the federal government to keep tabs on foreign students receiving education aid.

I recall when this was first reported; then Sankey disappeared. Did he source his statement? ITSA BIG DEAL

57 posted on 06/27/2011 5:21:38 AM PDT by 1234 ("1984")
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To: Gena Bukin; WildSnail

Debunked? Yes. Soundly. And I encourage all FReepers who doubt it to follow the thread for themselves. I'll share the link again for their convenience (click). Thank you, WildSnail, for jumping in and excerpting the relevant pieces.

The *fact* is Obama's non-citizen lineage was discussed on this forum months prior to the election. To say it was not in light of the evidence is a bold-face lie ... complete willful ignorance.

You say didn't learn of the requirements for POTUS in high school civics class. Have you considered that perhaps you refused that education and then denied it existed? just as you've done here regarding the post history on the topic?


58 posted on 06/27/2011 7:12:56 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: WildSnail
Citizens is plural, as in both mother and father. It does not read, child or children of a citizen, singular.

In that post they were discussing whether he would be a citizen by birth if he was born overseas. So that quote is irrelevant.

Also, both parents have to be American citizens and the candidate has to be born in this country. Questions have been raised about the eligibility of both candidates, especially Obama, and there should be no problem in verifying the information....

That post is saying what the poster believes the requirements should be, meaning he thinks the current requirements are different. You totally took that out of context.

The consensus then was that the fact that both parents were US citizens meant that he qualified as “natural-born,” even though he was born outside the US.

Once again, they are discussing whether he could be a natural born citizen if born abroad to one citizen parent. It is irrelevant to the discussion.

59 posted on 06/27/2011 9:42:37 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: Gena Bukin
Prior to the election and prior to Donofrio, nothing. Yet people now claim this alleged "requirement" is the law of the land, always has been, and is not subject to debate.

Nobody cares. Find another nit to pick.

60 posted on 06/27/2011 10:55:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: Gena Bukin
Yes, people were talking about ineligibility prior to the election but the Vattel definition that requires both parents to be U.S. citizens, period, wasn't brought up until Donofrio brought it up first. And this was November, 2008. You (and apparently everyone else but me) might have learned about this in civics class but nobody was talking about it until after Obama was elected.

Don't care. The man was always ineligible.

61 posted on 06/27/2011 10:58:14 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: 1234

He was hired by Orley Taitz and delivered the goods, which has been included in her lawsuits.

When courts refuse to hear cases on the merits, it doesn’t matter for much - the evidence of malfeasance goes without recognition.


62 posted on 06/27/2011 10:58:21 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Gena Bukin
Funny nobody brought this up until after Obama was elected.

Just because your head was not in the game doesn't make your statement true.

This blew up in June, 2008 with the release of Obama's first bogus birth document, but the early inquireies were in March, 2008.

Many of us were curious about Obama's origins before that.

You comment is absurd.

63 posted on 06/27/2011 11:53:16 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Gena Bukin
And nobody brought this up during the campaign? Really?

That's twice.

You have now been identified as an Obama-worshipping Obot.

Go back to the Daily Kos.

64 posted on 06/27/2011 11:56:21 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it and all the other writers who wrote me on this subject. I learned something new about President Nixon and what happened and why he had to go.


65 posted on 06/27/2011 11:57:39 AM PDT by Jennikins
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To: Meet the New Boss

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it and all the other writers who wrote me on this subject. I learned something new about President Nixon and what happened and why he had to go.


66 posted on 06/27/2011 11:57:50 AM PDT by Jennikins
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To: RWGinger

Good luck getting any kind of source or support out of Sven.

You will, however, be able to watch his claims grow in scope and detail over time. But never will you see a source.


67 posted on 06/27/2011 12:01:58 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: so_real; Gena Bukin
Where were you in 2008?



There she is, right up front, in the middle. Hootin' it up for her ObamaMessiah!
68 posted on 06/27/2011 12:07:50 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Venturer
with his Homosexual room mate

He had at least two.

Here's one -- Chandoo -- he liked to cuddle. He paid the rent while Obama was at Occidental.



Here's another -- Phil Boerner. This fairy paid the rent in New York. The apartment was a third story walkup with a railroad layout and a missing doorbell. It had a walkthrough layout, and, conveniently, Boerner had to walk through Obama's room to get to his own.




69 posted on 06/27/2011 12:16:12 PM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Just admit that you made it all up.

The first step to dealing with your problem is admitting that you have one.


70 posted on 06/27/2011 12:19:32 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: so_real

“These go back to June and July of 2008. Considering Obama’s surprise upset of Clinton for the Democrat nomination was June 3rd, 2008 (IIRC) I would say FReepers were ahead of the curve and deserve a good deal of praise for their diligence.”

A surprise? Only if you hadn’t been paying attention to the race at all. Obama won the Iowa Caucus, he had been leading in the delegate count since February or March, and a lot of people had been calling for Hillary to concede as early as March.

Plus, Obama declared his candidacy way back in early 2007, and had given a nationally-televised speech in 2004 where he mentioned his non-citizen dad practically in the first paragraph.

June 2008 isn’t diligent. It’s three months late at best, and four YEARS at worst.


71 posted on 06/27/2011 1:29:30 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: Vickery2010

I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I'm afraid I can't live up to your expectations. Televised speech in 2004 or not, I didn't have a clue who Obama was when he entered the race. To be frank, I didn't care. My focus was on the Republican primary. I pushed for Duncan Hunter and ended up with John McCain ... imagine my disappointment. It wasn't until Obama overcame Clinton that he became a serious blip on a lot of FReeper radars -- I haven't review all my posts from that era but I assume that includes me. But the point is moot as I've stated several times. It does not matter when a Constitutional conservative becomes aware of Obama's non-citizen lineage. Today, tomorrow, and yesterday are irrelevant. What matters is what a Constitutional conservative does once he learns that Obama is the son of a foreign subject. Generally that progression starts with disbelief, then research, then acceptance, then frustration and anger --- and then a new birther joins the ranks and our numbers continue to grow. There are folks today in every step of the progression. Over all I am pleased with my fellow Conservatives. I just hope the tipping point is reached before the next election as that will make the clean up sooo much easier.


72 posted on 06/27/2011 1:49:08 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

“It wasn’t until Obama overcame Clinton that he became a serious blip on a lot of FReeper radars”

Nonsense, Obama was getting tons of threads at FR even before the first primary election.

December 2007
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obama/index?more=5623604

May 2007
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obama/index?more=5123604

He was even being discussed on a regular basis in 2006 before he announced he was running at all
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/obama/index?more=4723604

He was never flying under the radar here.


73 posted on 06/27/2011 2:37:34 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: RobinMasters

Bookmarking


74 posted on 06/27/2011 4:09:43 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Vickery2010

I say you were beating a dead horse, but really there is no horse here. Good luck with the clubbing, though.


75 posted on 06/27/2011 4:13:58 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Meet the New Boss
THAT is why Nixon faced impeachment and resigned.

You forget that Nixon was the Prosecutor in the Algier Hiss trial. Algier Hiss was the DARLING of the Liberals in the 1950s. That he turned out to be a communist spy and that Nixon got him convicted created SERIOUS animosity on the part of the Liberal segment of society. They hated his guts! (Nixon made them look like chumps for supporting and partying with a convicted communist spy.)

76 posted on 06/27/2011 4:48:39 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Obama hides behind the Grass Skirts of Hawaiian Bureaucrats.)
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To: Kevmo
I gather what you mean by saying that Hitler fit the description was that he came into the office with such fanfare.

I was merely pointing out the vagueness of the description I responded to. Sorry about any confusion.

77 posted on 06/27/2011 7:26:14 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Meet the New Boss

I really enjoyed your explanation of President Nixon and South Vietnam. We have a number of friends who were refugees from South Vietnam. If one believed the John Kerry and Hollywood version of our involvement in South Vietnam you would think that they would hate American service men and service women, and have some serious reservations about America. Quite the contrary... they are some of the most patriotic Americans that we know, and they are very respectful to our veterans and especially Vietnam veterans. Many have told us of how they were helped and even saved by our service men and service women.

I say this because my wife has the largest collection of women’s service uniforms that I am aware of on the West Coast. She sets up displays at schools, museums, special events and fund raisers. She maintains the collection with the help of some of her Vietnamese friends. She has spent so much time with them in the last few years that she has become pretty good at understanding the Vietnames language. We have heard the same version of events from people who lived through it. Saddly this is not what our children are taught in school. We fear that soon the version told by Hollywood and the Left will be all that is remembered by our society. So please keep repeating the truth to whoever will listen.


78 posted on 06/27/2011 8:38:50 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Vickery2010
“He was never flying under the radar here.”

Many persons fifty and older can remember being taught what it meant to be a Natural Born Citizen in school. Unfortunately, it is one of one of those memories from school that needs an event or someone to trigger it before it comes back. One of the most important functions of a healthy brain is prioritizing what is important to an organism's survival. The importance of the meaning of Natural Born Citizen to the survival of a healthy sixteen or seventeen year old to them seems far lower than the information presented in the average pimple cream commercial.

Another example: I see dozens of extremely unpleasant events on a regular basis. When I get subpoenaed and have to look back at the reports that I wrote it brings back vivid memories. If you asked me what I did on a shift a week ago I probably couldn't tell you without some type of prompting.

I have had the unpleasant experience of being questioned by attorneys on numerous occasions. You are using a tactic here that they frequently employ. It is interesting but meaningless that few people were thinking about the long established definition of Natural Born Citizen before the election. The fact that his mother was underage at the time she was impregnated by a communist foreigner and may have been born outside the country was a huge distraction. So I am not going to apologize for not thinking about what I and many others were taught about what it meant to be Natural Born Citizen before someone else saw the forest through the trees.

79 posted on 06/27/2011 9:11:27 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

Thanks. It’s more of a rant than an explanation but it’s the straight up truth.

John Kerry testified to Congress that there would be no bloodbath if the US withdrew. The New York Times said Indochina would be better off if the Americans left.

After the communists took over in Vietnam and Cambodia and millions were killed or put in re-education camps or drowned in the South China Sea trying to escape there was no apology from the liberals. They never said “oops, our bad.”

In fact, they doubled down on the propaganda. For example, millions of Americans today believe that JFK wanted to pull out of Vietnam and was killed in a conspiracy by LBJ in order to stay in Vietnam. It’s a ridiculous lie, but they’ve seen it with their own eyes in the Hollywood movie “JFK.” Of course there are lots of other examples.


80 posted on 06/27/2011 9:51:05 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss
“It’s more of a rant than an explanation but it’s the straight up truth.”

I'll give you my own rant. Trying to explain how the end result of actions by our political left has been the deaths of millions and impoverishment and misery of tens of millions more is an exercise not unlike beating ones head against the wall. All that they touch with their supposed do gooding generally results in catastrophe.

The examples are so numerous. I was taking a hazmat chemistry class a couple of weeks ago. The teacher showed us the chemical formula for DDT. Everyone in the class was aghast at the evil of the substance. This is despite the fact that DDT is one the most effective and one of the least dangerous pesticides ever discovered. My wife has pristine uniforms that were treated with DDT decades ago. We won't have them cleaned because there is nothing more effective for long term moth control. Banning DDT caused a resurgence in insect born diseases that have caused horrible suffering and the deaths millions of people mostly children in third world countries. This doesn't even take into account the thousands more who have been injured or killed by the misuse of the far more hazardous pesticides that replaced DDT.

Then we have this global warming scam that has diverted millions of acres of productive farm lands to producing biomass, mostly corn for alcohol production. Even Al Gore admits this has been a waste. This operation costs billions in taxpayer subsidies wastes billions of gallons of fresh water, and consumes more energy than the alcohol produced contains. Worst of all the resulting shortage of grain has doubled the price which results in increasing starvation and misery to vulnerable populations in third world countries.

I could go on and on. Socialism and Communism have resulted in the deaths of untold millions of human beings and increased poverty, misery and wasted the potential of billions more lives. Yet they continue to be able to spread their propaganda with impunity and suppress the truth about the results of their actions. I am hopeful that the pendulum will swing back and common sense will once again prevail. Unfortunately we seem to still be on the wrong path.

81 posted on 06/27/2011 10:44:38 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
The only question I have is, when Wenzel talks, do Farah’s lips move...

I would have no problem if you attacked the poll, the poll internals, or the process.

Instead, leftist that you are, you do the Alinsky and attack the people involved.

Your posts are childish and tiresome -- although you undoubtedly believe you're a really clever boy.

82 posted on 06/28/2011 5:08:02 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Beckwith
I would have no problem if you attacked the poll, the poll internals, or the process...

In the wildest inane machinations of your wild birther imagination, you cannot imagine how little I regard your nonsensical opinion of me. Keep on birthin'!

83 posted on 06/28/2011 8:02:34 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: fireman15

“Many persons fifty and older can remember being taught what it meant to be a Natural Born Citizen in school.”

If this were actually the case, it should then be a relatively simple matter to produce a civics textbook from the era with this information.

Yet I understand that no one has been able to do this.


84 posted on 06/28/2011 9:54:05 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

“Keep on birthin’!”

Birthin’ on down the line!


85 posted on 06/28/2011 9:58:58 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo

86 posted on 06/28/2011 10:11:22 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Back at you in spades, low-life!


87 posted on 06/28/2011 11:12:57 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: El Sordo

“Many persons fifty and older can remember being taught what it meant to be a Natural Born Citizen in school.”


“If this were actually the case, it should then be a relatively simple matter to produce a civics textbook from the era with this information.”

There’s a simple explanation for why they can’t do that. The Obama Administration clearly destroyed all the incriminating civics textbooks more than fifty years old. And then they used their time machine to go back and change the definition of Natural Born Citizen in all civics curriculums for all Americans who are younger than fifty.

Because I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the only people who claim to remember being taught a ‘Two Citizen Parent’ definition are the same people who have been out of school the longest. And it’s just happenstance that they all forgot about it during the two year campaign only to suddenly “remember” it weeks after Obama won.


88 posted on 06/28/2011 12:52:01 PM PDT by Vickery2010
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To: fireman15
Unfortunately, it is one of one of those memories from school that needs an event or someone to trigger it before it comes back.

I'm kind of surprised that a guy who wrote a bestselling book about his Kenyan father and later went on to run for President didn't jog some memories earlier.

89 posted on 06/28/2011 2:23:52 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Here are the oponions of two Adobe “experts” Both declare Obama’s “long-form” birth certificate fraudulent.

The first is Mara Zebest, a nationally recognized computer expert, who has served as contributing author and technical editor for more than 100 books on Adobe and Microsoft software says the Obama long-form birth-certificate image released by the White House is a fraudulent document created with Adobe software, saying:

“The PDF file released by the White House contains evidence of manipulation suggesting that one or more forgers utilized existing Hawaiian birth certificates to assemble fraudulently for Barack Obama a document the president presented to the world as authentic.”

http://www.wnd.com/files/Obama_LFBC_Report_final_draft.pdf

The second is Gary Poyssick, an early employee of software giant Adobe System Inc., who maintains there is something “fishy” about the Obama long-form birth certificate released by the White House.

“What the White House released is not a simple scan,” Poyssick said. “Something digital came between the paper and the glass.”

Poyssick was at the San Jose-based tech company when it counted no more than 14 employees, and he continues to advise and write on Adobe software products

Poyssick has written more than 50 titles about Adobe software, the printing industry, coding and programming, website development and workflow management.

His initial reaction was to declare the birth certificate an outright forgery.

http://conservativebyte.com/2011/06/adobe-engineer-doubts-obama-birth-certificate/

But, you, of course, are more qualified to pontificate on this matter than they, and I’m sure you will have some of your usual venom for them, as well.


90 posted on 06/29/2011 7:35:18 AM PDT by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: El Sordo

“If this were actually the case, it should then be a relatively simple matter to produce a civics textbook from the era with this information.”

I can tell you from personal experience that it is not such a s”simple matter”. I have tried to find civics text books from the era when I went to school. I haven’t been able to find any at local book stores, Amazon, or other internet book sellers. Unfortunately, few people or schools seem to hold on to old civics text books. Why don’t you find a few old examples and “prove” your point.


91 posted on 06/29/2011 8:20:09 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15

I just bought a 1915 edition of “Advanced Civics - The Spirt, The Form And The Functions Of The American Government” off Amazon for five bucks. I should have it in a week. A 1907 edition is still available.

I also found a 1908 edition of “Essentials in Civil Government: A Textbook For Use In Schools” on Amazon. Same author though so I don’t expect a different POV. There are three more available if you want one.

You don’t happen to be related to the Freeper stand watie, do you?


92 posted on 06/29/2011 9:26:51 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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An Amazon search on the author Frank Magruder turns up numerous civics texts and books on American governance printed in the 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.


93 posted on 06/29/2011 9:42:41 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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“American Politics” by Alexander Johnston (mid 1800’s) looks like it might be good reading. Amazon appears to have some reprints and a Kindle copy of the original as well as 1800’s editions available.

No idea if it addresses NBC issues. It just look interesting.

94 posted on 06/29/2011 9:46:52 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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Amazon alone has truckloads. Too many to buy them all. I’ll start with the two I bought and see what they say.

Another potentially good one:

“Civil Government in the United States Considered with Some Reference to Its Origins” - John Fiske


95 posted on 06/29/2011 9:55:56 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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Could you try again... when I looked for the book you mentioned this is the result I got on Amazon, “Your search ““Civil Government in the United States Considered with Some Reference to Its Origins” “ did not match any products.” When was it published?

Please give me the names of a couple of the “truckloads” of civics textbooks that you found available on Amazon which were published in the 50s 60s or early 70s. You must be much better at searching amazon than I am.


96 posted on 06/29/2011 10:42:56 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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Oh I also looked at all the books listed by John Fiske... I didn’t see any textbooks from the 1950s, 1960s or early 1970s listed. Why don’t you try to just give me the name to one textbook availabe on Amazon from the “truckloads” you found. Thanks!


97 posted on 06/29/2011 10:48:26 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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OK, found one Fisk book published in the 1970s. No description though.


98 posted on 06/29/2011 10:50:26 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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OK are you speaking of the John Fiske who died in 1901 or the John Fiske who started writing in the late 1980s. I don’t see how either of them relate to the “truckloads” of Civics Textbooks that people of my generation might have studied in school.


99 posted on 06/29/2011 10:57:21 PM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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http://www.amazon.com/Government-Considered-Reference-Origins-ebook/dp/B004TQHME8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1309451393&sr=8-2


100 posted on 06/30/2011 9:44:19 AM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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