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The Four Most Likely Ways You Can Die If The SHTF
SHTF Plan ^ | 6-30-2011 | Tess Pennington

Posted on 06/30/2011 6:41:48 AM PDT by blam

The Four Most Likely Ways You Can Die If The SHTF

Tess Pennington
June 30th, 2011
Ready Nutrition

The subject of survival in a long term disaster goes beyond having stockpiles of beans, bullets and band-aids. Those that do survive during a long term emergency will no doubt be tried and tested with a great many things. One of those trying scenarios is dealing with death.

Zombie attacks seem to be a prevalent theme for preppers to prepare for. In fact, the CDC has even posted a preparedness article on how to ward off zombie attacks. While I believe these zombies will likely take the form of substance abusers, mental patients, chronically ill or diseased, and desperate individuals whose basic needs have not been met, they will die out in the first few months of an onset of a major disaster, and there presence will rarely be an issue in a long term situation.

In reality, a majority of those that will die during a long-term disaster will be from illnesses brought on by acute respiratory infections due to cramped living conditions, poor water conditions (or lack of), or bacterial infections from wounds. If we survive a major disaster, America would become a third world country and the aftermath of such a scenario will be similar to those living in Africa, Ethiopia and India.

Illness Due to Poor Water Conditions

Typically, any diseases that are brought on by lack of sanitation and hygiene are controllable and preventable. In a disaster where water sources are compromised, people within a 50 mile radius could be adversely impacted by illness and disease if just one person incorrectly handles water or incorrectly disposes of waste. Contaminated water, poor sanitation and/or lack of hygeine leads to diseases such as Hepatitis A, viral gastroenteritis, cholera, Shigellosis, typhoid, Diphtheria and polio. If these diseases affect enough people, an epidemic will ensue.

Dehydration and diarrhea are also water-related matters to contend with. Those without adequate water conditions and/or are suffering from disease brought on by poor water conditions could quickly dehydrate. These types of illnesses typically affect at-risk populations such as children, the sick and the elderly. Young children in particular are at high risk for diarrhea and other food- and waterborne illnesses because of limited pre-existing immunity and behavioral factors such as frequent hand-to-mouth contact. The greatest risk to an infant with diarrhea and vomiting is dehydration. In addition, fever or increased ambient temperature increases fluid losses and speeds dehydration. Having knowledge beforehand on how to properly clean drinking water and food, and the symptomatology and treatment of these types of diseases can prevent further outbreaks from occurring.

Recommended preparedness items: water filtration systems, water purification tablets, chlorine granules, bleach, electrolyte or rehydration powders, anti-diarrea medicines.

Malnutrition

Malnutrition from either improper water conditions or from lack of nutrients is also a large killer amongst those in impoverished communities. Medical experts say there is a symbiotic relationship between malnutrition and diarreah. Malnutrition increases the severity of diarrhea while diarrhea can cause malnutrition. Either way, prevention for both of these health issues is key.

Those that are malnourished are more suseptible to illness and disease. Individuals who are malnourished will also be vitamin deficient and their health is likely to regress further. Those who survive from malnutrition are permanently affected by this disease and may suffer from recurring sickness, faltering growth, poor brain development, increased tooth decay, reduced strength and work capacity, and increased chance of chronic diseases in adulthood. Adult women with this condition will give birth to underweight babies.

Recommended preparedness items: dietary supplements, vitamin powders, seeds for sprouting or seeds for fresh vegetables and fruits, survival bars, knowledge of alternative means to attain vitamins

Acute Respiratory Infections

Upper respiratory infections (URI) will also be a leading cause of death in a long term disaster. Upper respiratory infections include: colds, flu, sore throat, coughs and bronchitis can usually be cured with additional liquids, rest and nourishment. Allowing the illness to exacerbate will lead to secondary infections such as bacterial pneumonia. The germs from pneumonia are easily spread from an infected person to others by coughing or sneezing or through close contact. A major concern about respiratory infections is that there are many drug resistant strands of viruses, bacterias and diseases (including tuberculosis), that regular medicine will not cure. In a long term disaster situation, many could perish.

To properly prepare for this type of medical situation, learn about the more prevalent viruses and bacterias in your country and how to prevent them in order to provide a healthy living environment in a long term situation.

Not only are URI’s a concern but other air-borne diseases such as tuberculosis will likely fester during a long term scenario. In regular non-SHTF times, treatment for tuberculosis requires 6-12 months of medication. In a long term emergency, chances of surviving tuberculosis are slim. The best way to prevent tuberculosis is adequate nutrition, vitamin D and living in a properly ventilated shelter.

Survival groups that have multiple people living under one roof will only increase the likelihood of passing air-borne infections and diseases to one another. In addition, those in an at-risk group (elderly, immuno-deficient, infants) are more likely to catch illnesses. If a survival group is sharing a home, an infirmary or sick room should be prepared for those who have fallen ill. Isolating the person who is ill will limit exposure to the other members of the group. Adequate nutrition, water, rest, good sanitary practices and ventilation of the home is essential in curbing this.

Recommended preparedness items: decongestants, expectorants, upper respiratory medicines, antibiotics (for secondary and bacterial infections), knowledge on medicinal herbs, prepare a sick room at your survival homestead

Infections From Wounds

Open injuries have the potential for serious bacterial wound infections, including gas gangrene and tetanus, and these in turn may lead to long term disabilities, chronic wound or bone infection, and death. Anitibiotics will be few and far between and will be more precious than gold. Without proper medicines, antiseptic and knowledge on proper medical procedures, many will die of bacterial infections. Learning medical skills, gaining knowledge on natural medicines and alternative medical antiseptic (i.e., Dakin’s Solution) before a disaster occurs could help people survive from wound infections. Also, ensuring the area that you treat medical emergencies is clean and as sterile as possible may also prevent bacterial infections.

Recommended preparedness items: stock up on maxi pads for wound absorption, gauze, celox, antibiotics, suture needles and other basic first aid supplies

Additionally, consider developing the following skills: basic first aid class, sign up for EMT classes in your community, an off-grid medical care class such as those offered by onPoint Tactical. Also, consider investing in books such as When There is No Doctor and When There is No Dentist

Also look into making your own antiseptics utilizing alcohol distillation, such as the custom made units from LNL Protekt.

These illnesses (provided above) have impacted countries all over the world. These illness and conditions, coupled with unsanitary living conditions such as substandard sanitation, inadequate food and water supplies and poor hygiene, make disaster-affected people especially vulnerable to disease. These illnesses will affect us no matter what part of the world we live in, what socio-economic status we currently hold, and no matter how prepared we think we are.

Understanding what can happen and being prepared when it does is absolutely essential. The last thing we want to do when a serious condition arises is to panic. Preparing your supplies, developing your skills and educating the rest of your family and preparedness group on how to prevent, identify and counteract these serious conditions will provide a significant boost to your ability to survive if the worst happens.

Recommended Reading:

Patriot Nurse: 5 Diseases that Will Explode WTSHTF

Prevention and Management of Wound Infections

Water, Sanitation and Hygiene in Emergencies


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To: metmom

I am prepared. I talk to The Lord daily.


51 posted on 06/30/2011 8:21:00 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: MrB

Is WWZ going to scare me?


52 posted on 06/30/2011 8:22:07 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: blam

Tomatoes don’t need to be pressure cooked they are acidic and you also add some salt to them. Other non-acidic food need pressure canning though, meats, beans, cheese, corn, ect.. Anything with lots of sugar, acid, lots of salt(can’t remember how much, I think it was 10% of volume), vinegar don’t need the pressure canner. Best thing to do is just buy a good canning book.


53 posted on 06/30/2011 8:24:02 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MrB

Can’t even imagine what the inner cities will be like. Glad we moved away years ago.


54 posted on 06/30/2011 8:25:23 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: metmom

“The best prep is to make sure that you are prepared to die, strange as it sounds.”

Or to be willing to do what it takes to not give up the ghost. Either way, with those two mindsets, you’ll be more prepare than most.

I have faith in humanity’s innate ability to thrive and go forward. It’s the artifical burdens we’re under that are limiting us. Too many people have been taught they can’t do anything so big daddy government will take care of them. I presume many will welcome the lack of chains post SHTF, and those who don’t won’t make it.

In any event, what I am most worried about is the spread of disease. We live in a consumption society, with easily disposible waste. Should the water stop flowing and the garbage trucks stop rolling, urban areas will be knee high or worse with garbage and human waste in a matter of days, if not hourse in some areas. Then the pests will come, and spread the disease. When I began taking note of such things years, my biggest fear was the disease that would run rampant. Without access to antibiotics and modern medicine, the average person who doesn’t self quarantine will be seeing a high mortality rate due to infectious diseases.


55 posted on 06/30/2011 8:25:59 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: SVTCobra03

I LOL’d. :D


56 posted on 06/30/2011 8:26:41 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: MsLady

Ditto. See my post, 2 posts up. The garbage and pests worried me more than the hordes. Yikes!


57 posted on 06/30/2011 8:28:10 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: toast

There are some new insulin meds that don’t need refrigeration. I’d find out about them, see if your son can use them. Try switching and stocking up on the meds. My daughter has gran mal seizures, well controlled with meds. I can’t afford to pay for the name brand(over $300 for a month supply) but, have stocked up on the generic brand($100.00 for 3 month supply).


58 posted on 06/30/2011 8:28:31 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Uncle Ike

Call your doc have him/her call in a 1 month to however many months you can afford and pay out of pocket. That’s what I did for my daughters seizure meds. You just have to do the best you can and pray. God will take care of the rest.


59 posted on 06/30/2011 8:30:36 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: blam

Get your tetanus booster now.


60 posted on 06/30/2011 8:32:18 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: hattend

No need to go rogue. Do the best you can. Research alternatives to pain. Herbs, acupuncture, ect. just do the best you can. Then pray, God will take care of what you can’t take care of.


61 posted on 06/30/2011 8:32:56 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Ditter
Is WWZ going to scare me?

Seriously, how could I answer that? I don't know you!

Reading it would probably be scarier than listening to the audio. The story is structured as chapters of people relating their experiences in the Great Zombie War. The perspectives were interesting, I thought.

62 posted on 06/30/2011 8:33:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: JDW11235

You can joke about it all day - but if it really were to happen, it would be horrifying beyond anything we could imagine.

I work in a hospital. Just to think what would happen if a hospital was without power, or supplies — it’s just incomprehensible. People in society are SO crazy — you have no idea.

I pray that we as Americans rise up and fight against ALL powers that are so intent on destroying our decent way of life. We truly are the beacon of the world — and we need to really understand that we MUST keep going and we must keep afloat. If we don’t, it’s just over.

I hate reading this stuff, too — it destroys the dreams I’ve had for myself, for my kids and family.

Where or where are LEADERS who will speak to us truthfully — about this very thing. Aren’t THEY worried? They will be affected, too. Or do they all just prefer to stick their heads in the sand? I don’t get it.


63 posted on 06/30/2011 8:35:06 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: MsLady; toast
Article on temperature stable insulin
64 posted on 06/30/2011 8:35:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
ppppssssttt I was joking....... :D
65 posted on 06/30/2011 8:35:47 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: LibsRJerks

Leftist “leaders” inherently believe that they’ll never have to suffer the consequences of their policies.

In most cases, they probably have the wealth to insulate themselves, temporarily, from those consequences. But any protracted “grid down” time will eventually get to them, and they will try to use the remaining power of the state to force others to supply their needs.


66 posted on 06/30/2011 8:38:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: stuartcr

God has been teaching me these past 10 years to rely on Him more and on me less. He is Father God, Papa, the one who loves us all more than we could ever imagine. That doesn’t mean we sit on our butts and do nothing, twiddle our thumbs and wait for God to serve us. What He has taught me is don’t worry, trust Him, learn to have faith(you can’t work that up on your own, get help from the Holy Spirit), do what I can do in the physical, what I know to do, most of all prepare spiritually and leave the rest up to Him.


67 posted on 06/30/2011 8:39:07 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: JDW11235

Ewwww, yea I didn’t even think about the garbage piling up. Oh my gosh and that would be fast too. Then you’d get the rat population explosion. Another black death waiting to happen?


68 posted on 06/30/2011 8:42:01 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: MsLady

That’s pretty much my life.


69 posted on 06/30/2011 8:42:54 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: LibsRJerks

I’m not joking about that concern, and I know it would be horrifying to some more than others. I have lived in poverty and I am well acquainted with living in less than ideal conditions.

Regarding “When will a leader stand up?” that leader is you. As one Freeper aptly responded to another (The first said, “When are we going to put an end to this?”), the second replied “When we start saying I and not WE.”

We are the solution. Self reliance, with an acceptance of God, is the only way to not take the poisoned apple. The fact is that until we cease to be a Godless society and say NO, in sufficient numbers, becoming the vocal and not silent, majority, nothing will change for the better. Conservatives already have the truth and the law of the harvest (you reap what you sow), on their side. They need only stand up to get the point across. There is no silver bullet, nor heroic leader. We don’t need one. We need to see to ourselves, and end the entitlements that pillage a person’s self worth.

When that happens, if we need a leader, they’ll be everywhere.


70 posted on 06/30/2011 8:43:02 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: blam

The number one reason you will die,is at the hands of hungry desperate people.


71 posted on 06/30/2011 8:45:02 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: MrB

I’ll look it up.


72 posted on 06/30/2011 8:45:36 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

Amen!!! Makes life so much easier and so much more pleasant.


73 posted on 06/30/2011 8:48:39 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: blam
Zombie Killers
74 posted on 06/30/2011 8:49:09 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: LibsRJerks

Outside of the zombies, this sort of thing happens a lot...just go to one of the current war zones.


75 posted on 06/30/2011 8:49:20 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: MsLady

“Ewwww, yea I didn’t even think about the garbage piling up. Oh my gosh and that would be fast too. Then you’d get the rat population explosion. Another black death waiting to happen?”

My thoughts exactly. Imagine, for example if in NYC, everyone is quarantined. In the highrises, with no running water, imagine how long before thousands of people are chucking bags of human feces out the windows. Imagine the rampant Rat population (Rat gestation is 3-4 weeks, and they can be perpetually pregnant). Then think of the MRSA Staph in hospitals and flesh eating bacteria, etc. running rampant through the population. People ARE NOT going to dig waste holes in mass. And those they may have any extra food, will probably have it rot in the fridge if the power went out.

The stench will be horrifying. Imagine the smell of death everywhere. Whether it be those who die in their apartment with no one to carry them out, or the feral dogs that people turn loose as they cannot feed them. In the book “Lights out” by David Crawford (about an EMP), the packs of dogs turn feral like wolves and start killing people.

The number of ways that I can imagine things getting ugly is possibly endless (well, respectively), but the thing I find most troublesome is the disease. Because you don’t know when a runaway rat dropping or stray mosquito will make you sick and miserable for a long, long time. (Which I find much worse than simple death).


76 posted on 06/30/2011 8:50:13 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: MsLady

Got that right. The only strife I have, is here on FR...it sure ain’t much and that’s mostly my own fault.


77 posted on 06/30/2011 8:52:05 AM PDT by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: JDW11235

Well said, JDW. (Also, sorry — didn’t insinuate that you personally were joking about it ...was just directing that at the general thread.)

I am prepping, but am not in any way ready for any such type scenario. I am only in the beginning stages. I could survive with my family about a week w/ what we have. It’s just frightening and we live right outside a major city. We have an old house w/ land way out in the middle of nowhere in Missouri - but to go there and try to live would be like the Pilgrims surviving the first winter at Plymouth Rock.

I plan soon to get a water filtration system, and get to the dentist and MD for check ups and have done whatever needs done.

Also stocking food, silver, ammo, and looking at more firearms purchases in the coming weeks.

I still pray it never happens.


78 posted on 06/30/2011 8:56:01 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: toast

My teenage son is a type 1 diabetic and needs insulin to survive.

Something that I have never heard mentioned, but have thought of, is to keep a supply of those instand “Cold pack” (like for sports’ injuries), and a small cooler (maybe even inside a bigger one). Then just break/activate the small pack, and keep it in the cooler with the insulin. If you stocked up on some (they are sold at the dollar store, but also, in large quantites for cheap on the internet), you would have a very simple way to refridgerate just meds. I’d go buy some today if I were you, and then you’d at least have the peace of mind, that you’d be one step closer, to having a more permanent/workable solution.

I worry about my dad for the same reason. I understand that Jerusalem Artichokes (AKA Sunroots), are beneficial to those with Diabetes because they have some chemical related to insulin in them. They are related to the sunflower, and I am growing them this year, for the sole purpose of helping anyone with diabetes if they have no other options. They grow fast and easily, and you might like them in your yard/garden.

I hope I’ve helped in some small way. Take care, and God Bless.


79 posted on 06/30/2011 8:57:43 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: catman67
"Read “One Second After”. It’s a pretty sobering assessment of such a scenario."

Yep. My ego told me I had taken into consideration all the crap that could possibly go wrong. Then I got to the part about the nursing home. Scary book.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

80 posted on 06/30/2011 8:59:02 AM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: bgill
Umm, excuse me, but did you read the ingredients? It calls for 2 tablespoons of bottled lemon juice per quart. The lemon juice is acidic and adds enough acid to make them safe to can in a boiling water bath.

According to the USDA canning guidelines, tomatoes are better when canned with a pressure canner. "Recommendation: Use of a pressure canner will result in higher quality and more nutritious canned tomato products. If your pressure canner cannot be operated above 15 PSI, select a process time at a lower pressure." Link to PDF

I'm certainly not willing to take a chance with Botulism, since the survival rate is only about 10%.

81 posted on 06/30/2011 9:00:20 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (NEVER try to go through passport control in Frankfurt wearing sunglasses.)
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To: Ratman83

bttt


82 posted on 06/30/2011 9:01:13 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: JDW11235
The garbage and pests worried me more than the hordes. Yikes!

Same here. Garbage can be burned and buried but too many in the cities haven't a clue about that and would let it pill up and whine that the garbage trucks aren't hauling it away for them. That's when the diseases will start spreading. Same thing with they turn the faucet and there's no water. Handwashing is very important.

83 posted on 06/30/2011 9:01:46 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MrB

Tetracyclin is the only antibiotic that can actually hurt you when it goes past the expiration date. Cipro and Amoxacillin are two very good broad spectrum antibiotics to stock up on. You can purchase these drugs through the online Canadian Pharmacy without a prescription as well as some pain killers.


84 posted on 06/30/2011 9:11:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: bgill

Agreed. Garbage is simple (though not necessarilly easy), to eliminate. My great grandma, for example had a system of three components. Any food waste, etc. went to the compost heap. Anything that could burn went into the burn drum (oil barrel), anything else (very little) went to the garbage.

Regarding handwashing, one simple way would be to setup 5 gallon buckets, in a sytem like the jews had for handwashing. With a series of a few buckets (I believe they had 7), you can wash in the first, and then rinse very well in the last few. That way, you only have to swap out the dirtiest buckets every once in a while. (Bleach or a disinfectant could be put into one).

It’s like washing clothes in a bucket (I did for some time, once). You just get two buckets (#1 and #2). The first (#1) bucket you wash in. Then move to the second (#2) clean water bucket. Then dump out the first (#1), and fill with clean water, and rinse again. The first rinse bucket (#2), then becomes your wash bucket, and the new rinse (#1-originally the wash bucket) becomes the rinse bucket, and the process repeats.

You could easily do that with the hand washing, dumping out and cleaning/refilling only the dirtiest bucket, and making it your new clean bucket (with some bleach/sanitizer, etc). That way you can have clean hands most of the time, but not have to use any excess water run down the drain. Also that dirty bucket being dumped out could be used to flush the toilet, so, there’s lots of options.


85 posted on 06/30/2011 9:16:55 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2; MrB

You can always legally buy antibiotics for your pets, like fish, if they need them too...


86 posted on 06/30/2011 9:18:20 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: SwankyC
"and you’re willing to share the design?"

Yeah, However I got it from youtube. Some guy was making a moonshine still. I used his design and refined it a bit.

Here is the link: http://youtu.be/viaizr5GVdg to the original video I got the idea from.

The way I refined the design was to get a some copper pipe fittings that allowed me to connect the coiled copper pipe to the pressure cooker using a threaded connector thus allowing me to use a stainless steel nut on the interior of the pressure cooker eliminating the threat of lead contaminates yet providing a much more stable connection than the "cork" method provides.

Further I use a threaded water tap/faucet on the opposite end of the tube and another threaded connector and mounted it via a hole I drilled in the plastic bucket. This allows me to fill the sump with water instead of ice and eliminate the "sump water" leaking out around the copper tube sticking out the unsealed hole in the bucket. (you don't need ice in the sump to distill water wherein apparently the colder temps are desired when distilling alcohol)

interior of sump (plastic 5 gallon bucket)

faucet on exterior of sump (plastic 5 gallon bucket)

opposite end of coil (pressure cooker end)

top of pressure cooker (where sump coil connects)

interior connection of pressure cooker

(note the thermometer connection also. Such is not needed for water distillation but I did not know that when I made this one. All further models I made don't have one.)

See the basic idea is to turn the water into steam and then cool the steam back down so it changes back to water.

I used about 20 feet total of copper piping.

87 posted on 06/30/2011 9:25:20 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Tetracyclin is the only antibiotic that can actually hurt you when it goes past the expiration date.

Oft repeated, but really never studied.
This assertion is based on one case where someone died of renal failure and they found that he had taken expired tetracycline. There was never a definitive cause/effect relationship established.

88 posted on 06/30/2011 9:30:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: headsonpikes

I hope many of my fellow FReepers are prepping so that as many Patriots come out the otherside as possible.

If you haven’t already it’s time to prepare. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

If you are just starting or an old hand at prepping I like to recomend that you look over my Preparedness Manual which you can down load at:

http://www.tomeaker.com/kart/preparedness1i.pdf

I think that we are at the very least in for a collapse much like that of Argentina’s ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index), but as a armed society with a very large entitlement minded population our collapse will be much more violent and I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and large scale violence (look at what happened just this past Memorial Day weekend)and then there is this is going on in Chicago:”Emanuel said he spoke with McCarthy over the weekend and again this morning about the situation. The mayor said the city’s reputation as a safe place to work and shop downtown is being endangered by the thuggery. Many of the attacks are happening near the biggest tourist and shopping attractions in the city.

But, CBS 2’s Jim Williams reports, the problem of mob attacks downtown is much bigger than the weekend beatings, according to beat cops who wanted to remain anonymous.”

And it’s not just Chicago, but Washington DC, Las Vegas, St Paul, Philadelphia and on most major big ‘Blue’ cities are increasingly reporting such flash mobs and gang muggings. Look what happened just this past weekend in Peoria, Il:

http://peoriachronicle.com/2011/06/25/peorians-living-in-fear/

Teenage Flash Mob Robberies on the Rise:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/06/18/top-five-most-brazen-flash-mob-robberies/

Rash of violence isn’t flash mobs, it’s wilding

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/5826624-417/rash-of-violence-isnt-flash-mobs-its-wilding.html

Teens in a mob assault and rob Center City patrons

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20110629_Teens_in_a_mob_assault_and_rob_Center_City_patrons.html

I see what I call ‘Pocket Pogroms’ taking place in many big ‘Blue’ cities and if you aren’t a “0bamamite yutes” it’s going to get Reginald Denny bad for you very quickly.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


89 posted on 06/30/2011 9:32:34 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: JDW11235

I have done a lot of online searching and if you don’t mind the generic you can order almost any popular drug. I am going to order 1 year of all of my Mom’s drugs in case we can’t get to a pharmacy. You can get plavix, Norvast, Cynthroid and most of the statins. Its not agains’t the law. I order Evista online without a prescription all the time. And Robaxin which is a muscle relaxer.


90 posted on 06/30/2011 9:36:42 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: ProudFossil
Will somebody please explain to me what a zombie is? Look to the White House and there is your answer.
91 posted on 06/30/2011 10:12:22 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: SVTCobra03

Works for me.


92 posted on 06/30/2011 10:15:35 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: dangus
Why is distillation more important than simply boiling? Are there scenarios which imagine massive quantities of nonbiological contaminants? Or simply poisonous biological byproducts, like tomain (sp?)

The issue with distillation *and* boiling is FUEL. Eventually you can/will run out of fuel, or will be foraging far afield for it. Even it it is available, obtaining it will consume your valuable time. In terms of cost-effectiveness and overall effectiveness I can't recommend the Katadyne "pocket filter" highly enough - with a pore size of .2 microns, it's one of the most serious water filters on the planet.

Also, I can't recommend highly enough the use of calcium hypochlorite to sanitize water (after its been filtered).

Regarding distillation, I recommend using Mother Nature's own distillation process (aka. collecting rain water).

1) Collect rain water
2) Pre-filter the rain water through a cotton cloth
3) Filter that water through a TEOTWAWKI-quality water filter
4) Purify with bleach that has been made from calcium hychlorite.

Regarding sanitation:

1) Have a "sanitation plan" in place
2) Have a couple of bags of lime ready to use
3) Understand the rules for making and locating latrines
4) Be prepared to deal with diarrhea (knowing "Oral Rehydration Therapy" can save lives).
5) Strongly enforce basic sanitation habits among everyone in the group.

93 posted on 06/30/2011 10:19:49 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: toast

“My teenage son is a type 1 diabetic and needs insulin to survive.”

Insulin used to be extracted from cow, sheep, or goat pancreas.

Learning how to do that might be a sell-able skill when the troubles begin. Along with animal husbandry and butchering.


94 posted on 06/30/2011 10:25:04 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: The Duke

TEOTWAWKI?


95 posted on 06/30/2011 10:29:07 AM PDT by dangus
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To: MsLady
"Tomatoes don’t need to be pressure cooked they are acidic and you also add some salt to them. Other non-acidic food need pressure canning though, meats, beans, cheese, corn, ect.. Anything with lots of sugar, acid, lots of salt(can’t remember how much, I think it was 10% of volume), vinegar don’t need the pressure canner. Best thing to do is just buy a good canning book. "

Thanks, I know that. I've eaten home grown and home canned vegetables most of my life. I am very familiar with canning.

96 posted on 06/30/2011 10:33:37 AM PDT by blam
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To: tacticalogic
"Many common antibiotics are available from farm supply sources, in bulk quantities, without a prescription and cheaper than the pharmacy. "

Yup. I used these guys Without a prescription) for years: CalVet Supply

97 posted on 06/30/2011 10:38:04 AM PDT by blam
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To: JDW11235; toast

Most of those little icold packs also contain ammonium nittrate as the cooling ingredient. It has many uses besides cold.


98 posted on 06/30/2011 10:39:39 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: Kartographer

If you live in the city, I don’t see much point in stockpiling more of anything than you can take with you. The cities are going to burn.


99 posted on 06/30/2011 10:44:45 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: JDW11235

Yea, it’s not the dying so much as it is the length and the suffering before hand. Just horrific to think of what might be if this all collapses. I’d say it would never get to the point your talking about though. Just a thought. I think people in their panic would pic a leader who would promise them away out of the mess. Even if that leader was the devil himself. All I can say is God help us.


100 posted on 06/30/2011 10:46:07 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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