Are you an envirnonmentalist or a conservationist?

Red State Zombie ^ | July 2, 2011 | Red State Zombie

[Gum Shoe]

I remember taking a forestry class my freshman year of college. The curriculum, presented by a veteran instructor from the California Department of Forestry, covered several related topics that included ecology, biology, life cycles, wild-land fire control, conservation, and commerce based on those natural resources. I never heard the associate professor use the word "environment" or "environmentalist" during the course. Granted, it was years ago, and course outlines do change over time as new information on any given subject becomes available. But, the disconnect suggests the environmentalist movement is a recent concoction that has little basis in traditional resource management and everything to do do with political manipulation and empowerment.

From my experience, most environmentalists seem to be liberal socialists. Their champions are people like Al Gore, and Van Jones. Both communists. So, what attracts communists to environmentalism? I think they have a tremendous conflict with the concept of private property. Long standing traditions in The United States of America allow for private citizens to own property. Private property is a cornerstone of the American experience. Environmentalism is the only way to attack private property ownership that allows sufficient cover. Since most American communist politicians hate to be outed, environmentalism is the only game in town. They have realized you don't have to own the property to control it. You only need passage of some environmental "protection" laws whitewashed with some noble verbiage, and there you have it. You have exclusive control - or benefit - without the obligations of purchase.

The liberal socialists have pieced together a coalition of dupes/useful idiots to this end. In addition to the hardcore communist leadership element of the environmentalist movement, their coalition includes those who worship the creation rather than the Creator, sycophants in it for the power and/or money, and some decent people that truly believe they are doing right by the world in which they live. Hey, who wouldn't want clean air and water?

The point to this rant is this: there is a stark difference between environmentalism and conservationism. I can comfortably state I appreciate clean air and water. I enjoy a beautiful mountain or coastal vista as much as the next guy. I believe God gave the earth, and rights to its bounty, to His ultimate creation : humanity. I'm not willing to place a fundamental right like property ownership, also an inalienable right, on the alter of some socialist, neo-religion like environmentalism. So, my question to you dear reader is this: are you a conservationist, or an environmentalist?

[Kevmo]

Are you an envirnonmentalist or a conservationist?
***Yes

[cripplecreek]

I’m a ruralist. I live in the country because I love nature.

[screaminsunshine]

All environmentalism and things Green are Communist.

[Navy Patriot]

All environmentalism and things Green are Communist.

Ya beat me to it.

[Flycatcher]

I could have written this.

In fact, a couple of months ago, I posted something similar (but far more succinct) about these two words.

Out in the field, these two terms are NOT interchangeable. The Left really does gravitate to the word "environmentalist" while those on the Right consistently describe themselves as "conservationists."

It may sound funny, but whenever I hear fellow biology/wildlife field workers describe themselves as conservationists, I know I'm in good company.

I know the "code." :^)

[lysie]

I think planting over 8000 evergreen tree seedlings on two separate pieces of vacant land about covers that question. Also, we have several bluebird and purple martin houses on our land.

We love nature. With that said, we have no problem cutting a tree for firewood.

[cripplecreek]

I leave the old dock posts in the water because they draw wildlife. There's an old willow tree laying in the water right next to it that collects turtles by the dozen.

[Flycatcher]

Wow!

Is that the view from your place?

Stunning!

[cripplecreek]

I let maple seedlings grow in my yard for a few years. Then I plant them in more desirable spots or give them to others to plant.

[Peter from Rutland]

Me too. Can’t stand cities and avoid them like the plague. I have my 6.4 acres and I keep it Elven (think Black Forest).

[Fiddlstix]

I'm old enough to well remember the word conservationist. I was born and raised in the country. I was born in the latter days of the so called great depression. We practiced "conservation".
I remember too when the word envirnonmentalist was "coined".

The "conservation" movement was born of the great dust bowl era. Conservation was useful and practical ways of taking care of the land. Contour Farming, planting trees, hedge rows. Doing things to prevent the wind from blowing the top soil away. To prevent another "dust bowl". Having lived in Texas all these years I can tell you a thing or two about dust storms. Believe me.

The envirnonmentalists have a totally different agenda. Truth is they don't give a tinkers damn about the environment or the "conservation" thereof. It's all about "control" with them.
They're a bunch of control freak idiots.

[cripplecreek]

Yeah and I live in the most heavily populated part of Michigan. (The southern two teirs of counties)

[cripplecreek]

"I view great cities as pestilential to the morals, the health and the liberties of man. True, they nourish some of the elegant arts; but the useful ones can thrive elsewhere; and less perfection in the others, with more health, virtue and freedom, would be my choice."

-Thomas Jefferson (Envirocommies call him the father of urban sprawl)

[cripplecreek]

Back in the days when soil conservation was developed in ernest.

Today farmers still practice it because its the smart thing to do.

[lysie]

When we bought our property 20 years ago the previous owner kept it clear with the exception of a few maple, white birch, poplar, cherry, and other various trees. We keep about 3-4 acres clear and the rest we have let grow wild.

[Flycatcher]

The envirnonmentalists have a totally different agenda. Truth is they don't give a tinkers damn about the environment or the "conservation" thereof. It's all about "control" with them.

You're absolutely right.

I can tolerate (barely) their religious fervor over "Mother Earth" and their tree-hugging antics, but I can't abide their truly criminal disregard for private property rights.

This article is well-stated. Behind nearly every fervent environmentalist is a neo-communist bent on eradicating private property and private property rights.

And they smell...!!

_{(Man, I could tell you stories...)}

[cripplecreek]

Our local environmentalist group. (they use the word “conservation”)

http://www.rvlt.org/

The legal spiderweb they ensnare people in. You own the land and you pay taxes on it but you can’t do anything with it. Also, the agreement still stands after a sale (Effectively rendering the land unsalable)

http://www.rvlt.org/RVLTeasementOct2004.html

[Flycatcher]

Thanks for that. What an insidious group with an insidious agenda. Tax-exempt too, I noticed.

But, seriously, what kind of private property owner would succumb to this siren? And why?

[Baynative]

The term "environmentalism" has been co-opted by communists because it a nice sounding word that people who aren't very interested can apply to whatever their vision of clean air and water might be.

In the meantime the liberals are using the scam to erode our rights and eventually take control of both water and private property.

When you hear; environmentalism, sustainability, public-private partnerships, precautionary principle or, no net loss - learn to think AGENDA 21. This isn't just conspiracy talk!