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What is a Founding Father?
Illinois Review ^ | July 4, 2011 A.D. | John F. Di Leo

Posted on 07/04/2011 8:07:26 AM PDT by jfd1776

Every year for two centuries plus, the American people have celebrated the events of June and July, 1776… those fiery weeks when the Continental Congress debated changing their focus from improving our relationship with the King and Parliament who ruled them, to terminating that relationship once and for all.

On a broader scale, on Independence Day, we champion the Founding Fathers, those wise and courageous patriots who managed this transition, who won us our independence and set these United States on the course to greatness. In addition to celebrating these actions, it might also be worthwhile to ponder who these people were – what made America’s greatest generation so different from our own.

The Framers are clearly definable: The Framers are the delegates to the Constitutional Convention, those careful and principled organizers who spent the summer of 1787 designing our government. But they are just a small subset of the Founding Fathers to whom we owe our nation’s independence and success.

(Excerpt) Read more at illinoisreview.typepad.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Government; History
KEYWORDS: foundingfathers; framers; independence; patriot
As we celebrate the anniversary of our Declaration of Independence, let's also celebrate the men and women, young and old, who made it happen... America's greatest generations: our Founding Fathers.

Why aren't today's politicians as visionary as they were? Well, my thoughts on the matter are in my Illinois Review column today, if you're interested...

1 posted on 07/04/2011 8:07:29 AM PDT by jfd1776
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To: jfd1776

Thanks and cheers to them all.


2 posted on 07/04/2011 8:24:00 AM PDT by bgill
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To: jfd1776

“Why aren’t today’s politicians as visionary as they were?”

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Lots of reasons, but mainly because they do not have to be. They only do what THEY want, not what the people want. They do not even obey the law much of the time -— zero accountability. They steal, they lie, they cheat, and they keep thier jobs and do not go to prison where many of them should be. And now we have reached the zenith of thug rule in Washington — God help us, look at what is in our Oval Office and what his agenda for America is....a total horror story.

I blame the electorate and the unthinking and selfish people of this country for letting this sad state of affairs develop and persist. And that is the way the liberals want it.....


3 posted on 07/04/2011 8:24:33 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: jfd1776

[What is a Founding Father?]

Ask that question on the ‘street’ you might get:

“Yeah, uh , is it a father who finds stuff?”


4 posted on 07/04/2011 8:44:13 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Summertime...the "Goebbles Warmers" are back from hibernation.)
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To: jfd1776
I'm glad you thought enough to include a young John Quincy Adams and Abigail Adams as Founding Fathers!

By the way, our Founding Fathers were educated using a Trivium based education which stresses critical thinking---unlike today's schools which are nothing more than government controlled indoctrination centers.

Cheers
5 posted on 07/04/2011 8:44:24 AM PDT by DoctorBulldog (A lot of people probably just negated my comment while I was hunting and pecking at the keyboard!)
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To: jfd1776

Founding Fathers would never excerpt a blog in order to get hits.


6 posted on 07/04/2011 8:45:34 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Thanks for the comments, folks!

Humblegunner, I must disagree with you, though...

I usually include hyperlinks, bullets, and the use of boldface and underlining in my articles. I lose these when I post them in full in Free Republic.

I love Free Republic... absolutely love it... but I prefer to use the excerpt approach when I repost here, because that way the article is always read the way I intended it to be read. I don’t do it “to get hits”... I don’t get any financial remuneration for doing so...

Although if I did, a real conservative would respect that desire and honor the approach. Some of our founders wrote for free (the federalist papers, for example), while others wrote for a living (Franklin and Paine were self-publishers; they lived on the sale of their written work).

Don’t fault writers who earn their living by writing; respect them!

Cheers,
JFD


7 posted on 07/04/2011 8:58:40 AM PDT by jfd1776
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To: jfd1776
I usually include hyperlinks

Understandable, as those will never work here. Like this one: HTML Tutorial

bullets

and the use of boldface and underlining in my articles.

Ditto those, they are impossible at Free Republic.

a real conservative would respect that desire and honor the approach

You're right, we should all be pleased that you utilize our forum to advertise your blog.

How could I have been so wrong.

8 posted on 07/04/2011 9:55:26 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: jfd1776

Is there a better word than “excellent?”

This piece motivates me to go back and reread The Federalist Papers and other documents from the founders. And I think the mention of the less-known players is very important: these were living, breathing men of great conviction, all of who pledged themselves and all they were and had to the cause of forming a country conceived in Liberty.

Thanks for posting this — it should be above the fold on every newspaper in the country.


9 posted on 07/04/2011 10:52:49 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: RetSignman

>>Ask that question on the ‘street’ you might get:

“Yeah, uh , is it a father who finds stuff?”<<

Close — how about “when my baby daddy finds stuff”...?


10 posted on 07/04/2011 10:54:56 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: RetSignman; jfd1776

[What is a Founding Father?]

Ask that question on the ‘street’ you might get:

“Yeah, uh , is it a father who finds stuff?”


Uhhh, duh; everbody knows it be the DADDY of da baby in da basket FOUND on da church doorsteps!


11 posted on 07/04/2011 11:23:37 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: humblegunner
How could I have been so wrong.

Well for one thing, you practice at it - a lot.

Get this: it doesn't matter. Clicks are irrelevent, easy and often highly educational. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill, and disrupting countless threads with your trivial obsession.

Free Republic shines for two things: its Comments, and as a spectacular Hub for any and all real news. Neither of those things are threatened by clicking. No money is lost, no users go away.

So drop it already.

12 posted on 07/04/2011 1:36:52 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: jfd1776
We know that America’s founding was a miracle, one blessed by Providence at a time when all the right people were present – the authors, the diplomats, the military minds, the political philosophers, the economists – all the right people were ready to rise to the occasion; it would never have worked without them.

And the Tea Party movement is a sign that it is happening again.

13 posted on 07/04/2011 1:41:29 PM PDT by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: Talisker
Get this: it doesn't matter.

Know this: It matters.
Pimps abusing the forum as an advertising platform are scummy and need to be called on it.

So drop it already.

I think not, but your opinion has been noted.

14 posted on 07/04/2011 2:15:51 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Talisker
So drop it already.

Shouldn't you log out and log back in as a Moderator before giving orders?

Well I guess since you are a n00bie it can be forgiven this once.

15 posted on 07/04/2011 2:27:56 PM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: jfd1776; humblegunner

It’s perfectly okay to post blog material here. Just don’t excerpt, and we won’t think you are trying to get hits using FR. Deal?


16 posted on 07/04/2011 2:43:12 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Until Obama, has there ever been, in history, a Traitorous Ruler?)
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To: Talisker; humblegunner
Free Republic shines for two things: its Comments, and as a spectacular Hub for any and all real news. Neither of those things are threatened by clicking. No money is lost, no users go away.

So drop it already.

You must not have been around here very long if you think you can just go around issuing commands to established FReepers.

Blog pimps are generally frowned upon around here.

Get used to it.

17 posted on 07/04/2011 2:54:27 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Allegra

18 posted on 07/04/2011 2:56:56 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: jfd1776

I don’t go to random sites until I’ve been given a reason to trust them. Just post your text and then invite folks to go over and see the links if they choose. What you are doing is “teasing” your site which is far from cool. If you have something to say, just say it.

Also, some surf on their handhelds. FR is far, far friendlier to handhelds than most of these other flash-laden sites.

It’s a matter of respect. Are you contributing, or not?


19 posted on 07/04/2011 4:24:24 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Talisker

Make sure you explain that reasoning to the owner of Free Republic.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2636843/posts?page=552#552

I have no complaint if a good conservative blogger posts his own material to FR, not as an excerpt to drive hits and discussion back to his blog, but rather to impart useful information to OUR readers and to promote and join in on the discussion and conservative activism HERE on FR.

If a blogger can’t or refuses do that, and if he constantly complains or fights with our participants over it, then I’d just as soon he doesn’t post here. It’s not my job to make his content or his presentation or cooperation acceptable to our readers. That’s his job. And if he cannot do it or refuses to do it and continues posting brief excerpts only and obviously attempting to draw away our participants while loudly complaining about it, then I have no sympathy for his complaints and the more apt I am to ban his account and blog.


20 posted on 07/04/2011 4:55:36 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: humblegunner; Allegra
That post needs a link, gunner.




Click the pic


21 posted on 07/04/2011 7:20:11 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: Talisker
"So drop it already."

Others have already called you to task on your arrogance without the means so I won't rehash what they have already said. However in this statement -

"No money is lost, no users go away. "

- you could not possibly be more wrong. I have had, in fact, numerous first hand experiences with friends and acquaintances who have either decided not to sign up on FreeRepublic or have dropped their support for this site specifically because of bad experiences with excerpted and linked sites that were pimped here.

Further, it is the unscrupulous pimp who is the most likely to engage in plagiarism and copyright infringement, potentially causing unwarranted expense for JimRob and Co.

As for disruption, if you don't want to read the posts challenging the pimps, then skip over them. The more you try to defend their scummy behavior, the more indefensible your own integrity becomes.

And, just in case your comprehension of the above is somehow foggy or incomplete, I'll supply you with an illustrative graphic:



So drop it already.

22 posted on 07/04/2011 10:00:13 PM PDT by shibumi (The man who never alters his opinion is like standing water and breeds reptiles of the mind - Blake)
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To: jfd1776

If you use the “view source” option in your browser, you can bypass having to do all the html coding and simply copy all the html and content and paste it into Free Republic.


23 posted on 07/05/2011 2:57:22 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: jfd1776

I’ve done a bit of reading about the signers of the Declaration of Independence. I’d be interested in your thoughts, but not enough to click.


24 posted on 07/05/2011 2:58:42 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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